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Title: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 12, 2010 07:55 pm
just jumping into the middle of quite the spiritual political discussion, Steve & namaste2All.....

with a question of course, lol !  :D 

is " duality " a favorite word ? seems to come up in many conversations and I am not quite sure I understand the useage / purpose of the word ? could I ask for the condensed version please ? lol !

duality ?  meaning not all as it seems to be ? something looks like something, but in reality - if there is such a thing as reality  - that particular something is really something else ?

Into Blue jumping into the realm of duality with you  :D and dancing with your thoughts !


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Duality

It is important for all human beings to learn about duality. In most religious and spiritual scriptures, that are written by holy people for all people to read and learn from, the basic concept of duality appears in some way.

Duality exists only on the physical plane (or material world) that we live in. (See Note 1.) Out of all religions, Taoism emphasizes or stresses duality the most and its Yin Yang symbol clearly depicts duality. Some examples of duality include:

Good & Bad (or Evil)

Light (or White. See note 2.) & Dark (Darkness or Black)

Energy & Matter

Expansion & Contraction

Macrocosm & Microcosm

Centrifugal & Centripetal

Acid & Base

On & Off

Male & Female

Virtue & Sin

Love & Hate

Pleasure & Pain

Peace & War

Life & Death (See note 3.)

Gain & Loss (See note 4.)

Confidence & being uncertain and unsure



NOTES:



1) The physical plane (or material world) that we live in is different from and overlapped by the spiritual plane (or spirit world). The spiritual plane can not be seen using the our physical eyes, but can be seen with our third or fifth eye (related to our pineal and pituitary glands, respectively).

The spiritual and physical planes may be referred to as heaven and hell, respectively. It may be difficult to realize and accept the fact that we are in hell, but it is in hell where we are being tested and/or learn our lessons to be spiritually fit.

Also, while the physical plane consists of one single plane, the spiritual plane is composed of and has been classified in up to 143 sub-planes. These sub-planes include those commonly referred to as the astral, causal and celestial planes.



2) We know from science that white light is composed of all colors. White light can be broken into a rainbow of basic colors using a spectrum glass. Also, these basic colors can be mixed to create an unlimited number of other shades of colors.



3) Life and death are really terms for our transition from the physical plane to the spiritual plane. When the physical layer (one of seven layers) of our body dies on the physical plane, the other layers continue to exist on the spiritual plane.



4) Gain and loss is one of the most complicated or tricky dualities to comprehend or understand. On the physical plane (or material world), a physical loss is often a spiritual gain.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Katze on Oct 12, 2010 08:05 pm
Excellent Steve, thank you so much ! simple and understandable

Interesting notes added at the bottom , I have heard of #4 before.

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4) Gain and loss is one of the most complicated or tricky dualities to comprehend or understand. On the physical plane (or material world), a physical loss is often a spiritual gain.
 


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 15, 2010 11:14 pm
The word "darkness" as used in Genesis 1:2 has a specific significance: it means duality or relativity. Just as the calm sea cannot be ruffled into myriad waves without a storm, so also the sea of the one Spirit could not divide itself into manifold creation without the storm of the law of duality or relativity or darkness. God first created the heavenly electrical, thermal, and electronic forces, and  all material laws and matter in idea only , by the law of relativity of thought. He ruffled up his consciousness, or oneness, into waves--or countless ideas--by means of the storm of duality. This duality is maya, the "measurer,"  which has the magical effect of causing the infinite Formless to appear divided or "measured" into countless varieties of forms.

Paramahansa Yogananda Lesson 107


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Katze on Oct 18, 2010 04:31 am
Steve, if I had to take a guess, the word you seem to enjoy using the most is ...... drumroll, lol ..... " duality ".....
"maya " is a close second !

what would you do if this word was non - existent ?  :D


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 23, 2010 03:47 am
Steve, if I had to take a guess, the word you seem to enjoy using the most is ...... drumroll, lol ..... " duality ".....
"maya " is a close second !

what would you do if this word was non - existent ?  :D


One would wonder......  i am with Namaste2All right now. We went to Encinitas. Keeping you and everyone else in our thoughts.

Steve


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Katze on Oct 23, 2010 10:48 am
At times, I do wonder  :D 

Thank you for your thoughts Steve, I am with you both in thought  ;)
Have fun !

hugs,
Into Blue


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: blue nova on Oct 23, 2010 03:32 pm
Steve, if I had to take a guess, the word you seem to enjoy using the most is ...... drumroll, lol ..... " duality ".....
"maya " is a close second !

what would you do if this word was non - existent ?  :D


One would wonder......  i am with Namaste2All right now. We went to Encinitas. Keeping you and everyone else in our thoughts.

Steve


oh how wonderful for you both !!!!  sending (((Hugs))) to the both of you  :) :)


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 28, 2010 09:19 pm
The days together are over for now. But what memories! We should all be able to spend time with our close ones! i hope some of you will visit someday.

Steve


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 14, 2012 07:33 pm
Attraction/Repulsion  This is 1 of the most interesting expressions of duality.
 People have atraction followed by repulsions towards us. This is not a good
or bad thing but a result of duality we get caught up in. It shows  a rather
inexperienced expression of spirituality because we are still always
looking for a new thrill to satisfy us or we think to ourselves I don't
have to take that.

When someone is affected by us in this we must be aware that spirit
is opening new growing experiemces for us if we are receptive and
do not hold on to  old wore out living conditions. Our guides often
give us more by taking people out of our lives because it opens
us up to the universe and we realize what we have that we have
missed along the way.

Jitendra


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: tides2dust on Jul 15, 2012 12:24 am
interesting post.
it makes me think, if i take time to slow down and really think about it.
universe has provided for me
nourished me, and aided in my experience with it.

i am very curious now, as to the role of the human species and what significance we give to the rest of life here on earth. meaning, for the animals- we're so different from insects and owls and cats and birds and fish and yet something there for us all. . .


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 15, 2012 10:20 am
interesting post.
it makes me think, if i take time to slow down and really think about it.
universe has provided for me
nourished me, and aided in my experience with it.

i am very curious now, as to the role of the human species and what significance we give to the rest of life here on earth. meaning, for the animals- we're so different from insects and owls and cats and birds and fish and yet something there for us all. . .

I don't know in some ways I am very similar to the ostrich. Sometimes it pays to put
your head in the sand. That way your protected  from these species
called humans when they take you on a spinning wheel.
Besides some people treat animals better than humans.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Alfred E. Newman on Jul 15, 2012 04:16 pm
interesting post.
it makes me think, if i take time to slow down and really think about it.
universe has provided for me
nourished me, and aided in my experience with it.

i am very curious now, as to the role of the human species and what significance we give to the rest of life here on earth. meaning, for the animals- we're so different from insects and owls and cats and birds and fish and yet something there for us all. . .

I don't know in some ways I am very similar to the ostrich. Sometimes it pays to put
your head in the sand. That way your protected  from these species
called humans when they take you on a spinning wheel.
Besides some people treat animals better than humans.

I understand Steve the most love I have received from a human
was a women who loved me like a horned  toad. But what.... me
complain?

                                     Alfie.

                     


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: izza sociopath on Jul 15, 2012 04:38 pm
If El Fun would show up I would love him till his bones are  
pliable and I'm not a chiropractor but my animal totem is the fox.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Little Hoot on Jul 15, 2012 05:00 pm
Oh but what am I to do? Blue is my life in the sky and my love is so grey.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: elfun on Jul 16, 2012 03:25 am
But then why do opposites attract....they are such different polarities. Maybe it's because they can chase each other around in circles and it becomes an endless cycle of run arounds? Never ending life cycles? :-\ Round and round it goes where it stops only God would know?  ???  8)


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: elfun on Jul 16, 2012 03:32 am
Hummm....is this how they discovered the wheel? Left/Right, Forward/Backward, In/Out, Yes/No, Me/You, Us /Them and Etc./ Etc. i am confused but then again i'm not? :-\ ???>


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: elfun on Jul 16, 2012 03:38 am
I feel as though i am on a spinning set of drums? Life makes me feel dizzy miss lizzy on a never ending cycle of torment....ahhh! To be or not to Be that is a confusin' question fer sure...hummm :-\:o you may have an answer but is it the right one ooooor ...the left one?  :-\


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: elfun on Jul 18, 2012 06:58 pm
I am strong, because I've been weak. I'm fearless, because I've been afraid. I'm wise, because I've been foolish.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 30, 2013 07:52 am
when we get rid of our likes and dislikes then we will know what God wants us to do. Otherwise we are not receptive. Our likes and dislikes are solely responsible for our bondage to the body.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Feb 25, 2014 06:25 pm
Attraction/Repulsion  This is 1 of the most interesting expressions of duality.
People have atraction followed by repulsions towards us. This is not a good
or bad thing but a result of duality we get caught up in. It shows  a rather
inexperienced expression of spirituality because we are still always
looking for a new thrill to satisfy us or we think to ourselves I don't
have to take that.

When someone is affected by us in this we must be aware that spirit
is opening new growing experiences for us if we are receptive and
do not hold on to  old wore out living conditions. Our guides often
give us more by taking people out of our lives because it opens
us up to the universe and we realize what we have what we have
missed along the way.

Jitendra

Sometimes I look back at what I wrote and realize how it applies in my life at a later time. It is as though it was rather precognizant. It is difficult when others leave us without explanation. Yet I am very happy about those who are still with me and the new people who are coming in my life.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 29, 2014 08:42 pm
One of the issues that duality leads us to wonder about is this: When we feel happy is it because of outer events and circumstances being in our favor? Because of duality this can quickly change.

Jitendra


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: mccoy on Jul 30, 2014 12:21 am
Like St. Francis hinted at in his 'Fioretti', rising above duality carries immense power and joy to the individual.
Actually, that chapter of the book has the title of 'perfect joy'. It's one of the most inspiring pieces of all the spiritual literature I read. It explains what's really spiritual power. Not being able to make miracles, not huge knowledge, nor commanding the attention of vast crowds. Just rising above the inevitable dualities of the world. With joy, patience and detachment, thinking that God (Karma) is speaking thru the difficulties we experience.

HOW ST FRANCIS, WALKING ONE DAY WITH BROTHER LEO, EXPLAINED TO HIM WHAT THINGS ARE PERFECT JOY
One day in winter, as St Francis was going with Brother Leo from Perugia to St Mary of the Angels, and was suffering greatly from the cold, he called to Brother Leo, who was walking on before him, and said to him: “Brother Leo, if it were to please God that the Friars Minor should give, in all lands, a great example of holiness and edification, write down, and note carefully, that this would not be perfect joy.” A little further on, St Francis called to him a second time: “O Brother Leo, if the Friars Minor were to make the lame to walk, if they should make straight the crooked, chase away demons, give sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, speech to the dumb, and, what is even a far greater work, if they should raise the dead after four days, write that this would not be perfect joy.” Shortly after, he cried out again: “O Brother Leo, if the Friars Minor knew all languages; if they were versed in all science; if they could explain all Scripture; if they had the gift of prophecy, and could reveal, not only all future things, but likewise the secrets of all consciences and all souls, write that this would not be perfect joy.” After proceeding a few steps farther, he cried out again with a loud voice: “O Brother Leo, thou little lamb of God! if the Friars Minor could speak with the tongues of angels; if they could explain the course of the stars; if they knew the virtues of all plants; if all the treasures of the earth were revealed to them; if they were acquainted with the various qualities of all birds, of all fish, of all animals, of men, of trees, of stones, of roots, and of waters - write that this would not be perfect joy.” Shortly after, he cried out again: “O Brother Leo, if the Friars Minor had the gift of preaching so as to convert all infidels to the faith of Christ, write that this would not be perfect joy.” Now when this manner of discourse had lasted for the space of two miles, Brother Leo wondered much within himself; and, questioning the saint, he said: “Father, I pray thee teach me wherein is perfect joy.” St Francis answered: “If, when we shall arrive at St Mary of the Angels, all drenched with rain and trembling with cold, all covered with mud and exhausted from hunger; if, when we knock at the convent-gate, the porter should come angrily and ask us who we are; if, after we have told him, ‘We are two of the brethren’, he should answer angrily, ‘What ye say is not the truth; ye are but two impostors going about to deceive the world, and take away the alms of the poor; begone I say’; if then he refuse to open to us, and leave us outside, exposed to the snow and rain, suffering from cold and hunger till nightfall - then, if we accept such injustice, such cruelty and such contempt with patience, without being ruffled and without murmuring, believing with humility and charity that the porter really knows us, and that it is God who maketh him to speak thus against us, write down, O Brother Leo, that this is perfect joy. And if we knock again, and the porter come out in anger to drive us away with oaths and blows, as if we were vile impostors, saying, ‘Begone, miserable robbers! to the hospital, for here you shall neither eat nor sleep!’ - and if we accept all this with patience, with joy, and with charity, O Brother Leo, write that this indeed is perfect joy. And if, urged by cold and hunger, we knock again, calling to the porter and entreating him with many tears to open to us and give us shelter, for the love of God, and if he come out more angry than before, exclaiming, ‘These are but importunate rascals, I will deal with them as they deserve’; and taking a knotted stick, he seize us by the hood, throwing us on the ground, rolling us in the snow, and shall beat and wound us with the knots in the stick - if we bear all these injuries with patience and joy, thinking of the sufferings of our Blessed Lord, which we would share out of love for him, write, O Brother Leo, that here, finally, is perfect joy. And now, brother, listen to the conclusion. Above all the graces and all the gifts of the Holy Spirit which Christ grants to his friends, is the grace of overcoming oneself, and accepting willingly, out of love for Christ, all suffering, injury, discomfort and contempt; for in all other gifts of God we cannot glory, seeing they proceed not from ourselves but from God, according to the words of the Apostle, ‘What hast thou that thou hast not received from God? and if thou hast received it, why dost thou glory as if thou hadst not received it?’ But in the cross of tribulation and affliction we may glory, because, as the Apostle says again, ‘I will not glory save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ.’ Amen.”



Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 30, 2014 01:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=RD-Q1kB0R4Ijs

What a gem to share mccoy. It put me in the presence of someone very special to me and also to many many others. St. Francis was beyond duality. I remember others saying Brother Bhaktananda was the incarnation of St. Francis. I don't think I ever met a man with so much humility. It wasn't till years later that I realized what I had been in the presence of... what it is to be blessed by being in the presence of a saint. I remember so well. He would see me.. bow before me and say: "Master bless you Steve" As if 'I' was something important.

David Gates wrote the above song 'Everything I Own' for his father. I often think of Brother Bhaktananda when i hear this song. You just never know till its gone.

'Is there someone you know? Your loving them so but taking them all for granted. You may loose them one day. Someone takes them away and they don't hear the words you long to say.'

Reading your words really put me in a most wonderful place... spiritually speaking. Some memories are wonderful to review.


Title: Rising above Duality
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 31, 2014 04:26 am
....if we bear all these injuries with patience and joy, thinking of the sufferings of our Blessed Lord, which we would share out of love for him, write, O Brother Leo, that here, finally, is perfect joy. And now, brother, listen to the conclusion. Above all the graces and all the gifts of the Holy Spirit which Christ grants to his friends, is the grace of overcoming oneself and accepting willingly, out of love for Christ, all suffering, injury, discomfort and contempt; for in all other gifts of God we cannot glory, seeing they proceed not from ourselves but from God~St. Francis





Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: mccoy on Jul 31, 2014 09:27 am
Yes, actually that's maybe the only way to maintain an objective perspective to those who have such gifts.
The objective perspective to the great composer or artist would be that he has merely been able to channel God's creativity already present in the metaphysical ether. he/she is just a channel, a lowly one if we want. compared to the higher power who is dispensing such thoughts.

Great sport Champions, very rich and successful people usually DO NOT display such attitude, they tend to rely the merit all upon their limited selves, with the due exceptions of course. This is a good following to the celebs discussion.

Also, I like the  passage where St Francis says the greatest grace and gift is 'overcoming oneself'. That's an exceptional insight.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 27, 2014 10:58 am
It amazes me how people can say they love each other and then when there are disagreements they refuse to talk or have anything to do with the other person. This obviously shows a lack of spiritual understanding.- someone who is tremendously caught up in duality and a has very little self introspection and spiritual understanding.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: mccoy on Aug 27, 2014 11:14 pm
It amazes me how people can say they love each other ...

Deed, not words, goes the adage....


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 28, 2014 01:54 am
It amazes me how people can say they love each other [/i]...

Deed, not words, goes the adage....

yes... the way I see it; when a man or women's word is cheap and has no real meaning, what if any spiritual character remains? If i say i love someone I will always honor those words with at least kindness. When a person has lost their word and their kindness they have lost their spiritual life. It is a struggle to think kind thoughts for those who only harbor bad will towards us but what would we be if we only loved those who love us? ..... Ego inflated. Duality is strong when we have strong likes and dislikes.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 20, 2014 09:24 pm
Witness the seeming horror that often occurs in nature. In for  instance the mating between the female Praying Mantis and male and also the mating between Black Widows. In both cases it is quite common to have the female kill and eat the male. (See You Tube videos.) We as human beings are supposed to have some control of the creative force. I cannot imagine  'making love' with someone if I did not think they had mutual sentiments. . But look at the Masters'. They seem to have risen above that instinct entirely. Duality is at work if we have not risen above it. There is pain associated with pleasure.

It is our aim to find joy at the same time a balance in our desires as we gain more control over ourselves in our spiritual journey. Human beings have the ability to express love and understanding in sexual encounters. Many of them still think of this as a purely physical phenomena. But this puts sex at the level of animals who have not yet reached the stage of evolution beyond the purely instinctual element in creation that keeps this creation perpetuated. It is remarkable to me to see the effects of love and peace on other creatures around us. They are very influenced by their environment. We, as humans, have much to do with the suffering or safety of the creatures around us. We will always see the results of maya and duality as long as we are imprisoned in these bodies. Why did Kali create such dreadful actions in nature? Are we here to question it or rather to find our way out so that we may solve all the intricate complexities of nature. It reminds me of the Cowboy and Indian films that Master used to watch and he would gently tap one of the other devotees when it came to the horrific scenes where they would fight together and then smile. Some how it appears that he gained the right attitude towards the picture shows. Sorry for me... got a ways to go.





Jitendra


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 02, 2015 04:47 pm
Recently I had to add another pair of opposites to the list of dualities; they are confidence and the antonym of confidence - uncertainty and unsure.

The reason being that I have noticed that sometimes when we're unsure and uncertain we tend to be more cautious and you tend to take less risks. Some of us need to take risks while for others it's better to be more cautious.

This has been more noticeable to me since it is not always easy to handle elation and becoming over inflated we can easily  make mistakes in judgement. My latest service/work requires a lot of caution. So in my case I would say that I am learning caution whereas others may be put in a position to overcome timidity. Our spirit guides and gurus know where to place us for our spiritual awakening and learning.



Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 10, 2015 12:31 am
Recently I talked with Scott about Duality and I remember some of our conversation. Duality has the challenge of feeling the elation when having highs and the depression of the lows. The elation also sometimes comes back to bite us and while in a slump sometimes we wrongly identify with the depression. Only in the meditation experience are we able to transcend both states and witness the duality playing upon our consciousness and our identification with those fluctuating states- the Janus-faced life and creation we take to be real.




i am very curious now, as to the role of the human species and what significance we give to the rest of life here on earth. meaning, for the animals- we're so different from insects and owls and cats and birds and fish and yet something there for us all. . .

the human form is endowed with a physical and mental aparatus that is ideally suitable and pliable as a platform of observation and experience.   

the human form also is provided a unique configuration of the occult energy centers - permitting subtle (powerful) metaphysical properties to be tapped --

another consideration -- human is first form to have individual karma -- whereas generically the animals are bound only by the mass karma of nature. 

but what seems generally missed by humans of this Age (Yuga) -- by the default magnet of Mass Consciousness of this Age -- 
is humans of this Age are still "compartmentalizing" life into seperate "units"
failing to see the environment as one integrative whole that is our entity...

the animals and humans alike are equally endowed with Shraddha (Heart's Natural Love)... the force that is drawing all portions of the Divine back to Her Ocean...
the advanced being, observes no seperation between the primary incarnation human form, and other humans, or other animals or plants...
it is simply "Spirit and Nature dancing together"...

*********



Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: SpiritImage on Jun 10, 2015 12:43 am
Only in the meditation experience are we able to transcend both states and witness the duality playing upon our consciousness and our identification with those fluctuating states.

I'm striving/asking to do this, and not forget, even during the times when not meditating.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: tides2dust on Nov 25, 2015 02:54 am
hi elfun-

you ask then why do opposites attract?

But then why do opposites attract....they are such different polarities. Maybe it's because they can chase each other around in circles and it becomes an endless cycle of run arounds? Never ending life cycles? :-\ Round and round it goes where it stops only God would know?  ???  8)

maybe it is as steve has shared,

...

NOTES:
...

2) We know from science that white light is composed of all colors. White light can be broken into a rainbow of basic colors using a spectrum glass. Also, these basic colors can be mixed to create an unlimited number of other shades of colors.

...

4) Gain and loss is one of the most complicated or tricky dualities to comprehend or understand. On the physical plane (or material world), a physical loss is often a spiritual gain.


today i am left wondering, perhaps a run around question, chasing my own tail as they say- can love exist without hate?

two sides of the same coin... ?

...

the animals and humans alike are equally endowed with Shraddha (Heart's Natural Love)... the force that is drawing all portions of the Divine back to Her Ocean...
the advanced being, observes no seperation between the primary incarnation human form, and other humans, or other animals or plants...
it is simply "Spirit and Nature dancing together"...

*********



Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: mccoy on Nov 25, 2015 10:42 pm
hi elfun-
today i am left wondering, perhaps a run around question, chasing my own tail as they say- can love exist without hate?
two sides of the same coin... ?

BobWang, I would say yes, love can exist without hate, even as good can exist without evil, philosophically there is not a need for compensation, although some prophets say that a material world where pure evil or pure good exists would collapse. Maybe in some instances it's a necessary dualism.


Title: Re: What is Duality?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 08, 2015 08:19 pm
hi elfun-
today i am left wondering, perhaps a run around question, chasing my own tail as they say- can love exist without hate?
two sides of the same coin... ?

BobWang, I would say yes, love can exist without hate, even as good can exist without evil, philosophically there is not a need for compensation, although some prophets say that a material world where pure evil or pure good exists would collapse. Maybe in some instances it's a necessary dualism.

A need for compensation! Quite a statement mccoy. Yes i have heard this before that all good would vaporize such a planet as ours. Would that be unfortunate? No not at all because the planets inhabitants would find a higher reality where death, destruction, disease, pesty insects and viscious  animals do not exist. Hope to see u in that reality mccoy. Beyond duality as we know it.

Look above and u will see that Eric put together a collage of suitable responses. Our friend elfun rocker has not been on our site for sometime. He was part of a history that u were not privy too mccoy. We r making a new history. I am part of that reality that is us. As it unfolds it more closely reveals the inner spirit yet to manifest. Some will leave and create different realties. Perhaps others will return finding where they left off. It is fascinating how we often hold on to realties that no longer suit our unfolding awareness. This may b part of the lesson for us.