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Title: Live to Learn
Post by: flying squirrel on Feb 21, 2011 05:32 pm
hey Live to Learn !  8)

Where are you ? you ok ?

Long time no see !

your squirrelly friend  ;D 8)



Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Feb 24, 2011 02:33 pm
Thanks, my squirrelly friend.

I've been dealing with some stuff...the Lord saw fit to take another friend on the fifteenth of January, and I'm not dealing with it very well. I heard about it via email a week after it had happened, thus depriving me of the opportunity to pray her home, as I usually do in such situations. I'm finding it very hard to believe that there's any kind of Divine Being looking out for us right now, because I only heard from the friend who passed at the end of December, and three weeks later I get an email from her mother saying that her three-year battle with anorexia came to an end last Saturday. A month on, I'm finding it tricky to sleep, impossible to pray, and am essentially just about functioning.

Thanks so much for asking...means a lot.

L T L (Casey)



Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: blue nova on Feb 24, 2011 03:45 pm
(((((( Casey )))))) you are in my thoughts and prayers sis.  may god, guruji and christ...hold you in their arms and comfort you  <3<3<3

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Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Feb 24, 2011 06:57 pm
Thanks, Anne.

This experience is so strange, so alien. I've been here before, I guess, but never imagined that it would (could) cause physical pain. My chest has been hurting on and off for the past month (set in half an hour after I found out).

Madness...and I'm left here trying to figure out where I'm supposed to stand in all this when those to whom I've been close just seem to keep...leaving.

C


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Feb 25, 2011 04:45 am
Thanks, Anne.

This experience is so strange, so alien. I've been here before, I guess, but never imagined that it would (could) cause physical pain. My chest has been hurting on and off for the past month (set in half an hour after I found out).

Madness...and I'm left here trying to figure out where I'm supposed to stand in all this when those to whom I've been close just seem to keep...leaving.

C

The body emotions and mind work so closely together. Perhaps it is you who is evolving. This brings massive changes around us. In this process of change one of the most difficult lessons for me has been letting go in full faith that God has many wonderful things planned ahead for us. If like minded people do things together they can have more power when they come together. Thanks for bringing your energy our way when you are happy and when you are sad. Thinking of you...

Steve Hydonus


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Feb 25, 2011 12:38 pm
Thanks, Steve.

I know that there's a lesson in this somewhere, but am struggling to figure it out. I suppose being (as I feel) deprived of the opportunity to pray for her in the time that she was leaving is always going to cause some kind of residue.

Really appreciate the support, and will try to return more often.

Casey


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Feb 28, 2011 08:34 am
Thank you, Namaste2All.

I must try to practise the visualisation you mention of their imperfect moments melting into love and light.

I still catch myself wondering how it could happen, though...guess that's the unfortunate side of a human incarnation.

C


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Feb 28, 2011 09:44 am
Thanks, my squirrelly friend.

I've been dealing with some stuff...the Lord saw fit to take another friend on the fifteenth of January, and I'm not dealing with it very well. I heard about it via email a week after it had happened, thus depriving me of the opportunity to pray her home, as I usually do in such situations. I'm finding it very hard to believe that there's any kind of Divine Being looking out for us right now, because I only heard from the friend who passed at the end of December, and three weeks later I get an email from her mother saying that her three-year battle with anorexia came to an end last Saturday. A month on, I'm finding it tricky to sleep, impossible to pray, and am essentially just about functioning.

Thanks so much for asking...means a lot.

L T L (Casey)


Meditation helps us feel peace. When sorrow comes we feel peace. Peace is the presence of our soul. When we feel peace sorrow cannot engulf us. We watch it as an observer. When we allow the mind to use us, and consequently the emotions, we suffer. The more we meditate and feel the peace associated with meditation the less we suffer.

It is often easier to say then to do. Although it helps to remember; If we are peaceful we are manifesting the presence of God.
 


Jitendra





Title: Re: Working with our "Transitioning" Loved Ones ?
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Mar 02, 2011 09:32 pm
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In this stage, we (remaining on Earth) are working with the transitioning loved one by considering the same type of considerations of their life and their relations, etc....  giving them our Divine Friendship and Love,...  My sense is strong that we consider to pray for their Light, Love, and Liberation and strive ever so to keep them in the most lovely and harmonious form we ever saw them manifest on earth or in our hearts....  and understandably this concept of "releasing" can cause us some anxiety... we tend to belive if we are not "Joe", or "Mary", or "Marty" then we cease to exist or something... but the reality is we never were Joe or Mary or Marty, and moreso we simply (incorrectly may have) associated ourselves with the temporary garment of a personages of an incarnation.  

Grace be with us All and Each.
namo, namo, namaste,
----------- Namaste2All

Hi Namaste2All, You left us with some thought provoking points. I quoted some of them that were specifically relevant to my personal experiences on the subject. When i saw my mother she was in this state you call 'the most harmonious form we ever saw them manifest." We morn not their joy but rather our own loss. Which is most important to remember. But our joy in there freedom can help their transition! So now i often see the ones that meant so much, and will meet again, and pray for them where they are. "but the reality is we never were Joe or Mary or Marty, and moreso we simply (incorrectly may have) associated ourselves with the temporary garment of a personages of an incarnation."   

Jitendra


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: flying squirrel on Mar 09, 2011 10:19 pm
Thanks, my squirrelly friend.

I've been dealing with some stuff...the Lord saw fit to take another friend on the fifteenth of January, and I'm not dealing with it very well. I heard about it via email a week after it had happened, thus depriving me of the opportunity to pray her home, as I usually do in such situations. I'm finding it very hard to believe that there's any kind of Divine Being looking out for us right now, because I only heard from the friend who passed at the end of December, and three weeks later I get an email from her mother saying that her three-year battle with anorexia came to an end last Saturday. A month on, I'm finding it tricky to sleep, impossible to pray, and am essentially just about functioning.

Thanks so much for asking...means a lot.

L T L (Casey)

dear Casey

hugs to you, I feel your sadness

so sorry to hear about your friend, it is never easy

you are grieving, see above underlined part, grieving explains those symptoms

all the spiritual explanations in the world, though intended to help do not erase the grief and sadness one feels
this grief and sadness is a necessary part of moving on

you cannot sweep your feelings under  "the rug of meditation and thoughts of " there is a time and a reason for everything.

some may feel comforted by these thoughts
some may not

only you know what is helpful to you

if you need to just withdraw from the world for a time, then this is what you must do
just do not stay away too long, you would be missed !  8)

You are in my prayers , take care of you !

your squirrely friend  8)


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Mar 10, 2011 08:08 am
Thanks, my squirrelly friend.

I've been dealing with some stuff...the Lord saw fit to take another friend on the fifteenth of January, and I'm not dealing with it very well. I heard about it via email a week after it had happened, thus depriving me of the opportunity to pray her home, as I usually do in such situations. I'm finding it very hard to believe that there's any kind of Divine Being looking out for us right now, because I only heard from the friend who passed at the end of December, and three weeks later I get an email from her mother saying that her three-year battle with anorexia came to an end last Saturday. A month on, I'm finding it tricky to sleep, impossible to pray, and am essentially just about functioning.

Thanks so much for asking...means a lot.

L T L (Casey)

dear Casey

hugs to you, I feel your sadness

so sorry to hear about your friend, it is never easy

you are grieving, see above underlined part, grieving explains those symptoms

all the spiritual explanations in the world, though intended to help do not erase the grief and sadness one feels
this grief and sadness is a necessary part of moving on

you cannot sweep your feelings under  "the rug of meditation and thoughts of " there is a time and a reason for everything.

some may feel comforted by these thoughts
some may not

only you know what is helpful to you

if you need to just withdraw from the world for a time, then this is what you must do
just do not stay away too long, you would be missed !  8)

You are in my prayers , take care of you !

your squirrely friend  8)

Hi Secret Squirrel This was a sweet understanding reply.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Mar 11, 2011 02:17 pm
Thank you, my squirrelly friend.

I appreciate your taking the time to reply. A certain sense of 'God? God who exactly?' pervades any thought of him at the moment.

Then there are thoughts of her...they're just uncomfortable.

Casey


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: flying squirrel on Mar 11, 2011 05:04 pm
Hi Secret Squirrel This was a sweet understanding reply.

Jitendra


Thanx Jitendra ! 8)


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: flying squirrel on Mar 11, 2011 05:06 pm
Thank you, my squirrelly friend.

I appreciate your taking the time to reply. A certain sense of 'God? God who exactly?' pervades any thought of him at the moment.

Then there are thoughts of her...they're just uncomfortable.

Casey

Casey,

sometimes there are no words ~ 

keeping you in my thoughts and prayers

your squirrelly friend  8)


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Apr 05, 2011 08:44 am
I disappeared again. I'm sorry for that, but I had to find myself before I could come here. I'm still having a doubt-fest in my head, but I can't have a full on melt at the moment, because I'm staring at the four year anniversary of Chris' passing (Friday) and feeling all of the emotions again. Memories come to me clearly, unbidden, unwanted. Sleep again an impossibility. Can't wait for this nightmare period to be over (get through this Friday, get through next, and we're done for another year.) Next Friday brings a first, the first of my friend Kim's birthdays where she won't be on this plane to receive an email. Can't even begin to contemplate that right now, so I'm just focused on getting to/through Friday. If it's not too much to ask, could I request that you continue to hold me in your prayers at this ridiculously difficult time?

Thanks,

Casey


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: Lucky Denver on Apr 05, 2011 03:29 pm
Dear Casey,

We have not met as I am fairly new here, but I just want to let you know that you will be in my prayers.  Because you are not some robot behind a keyboard but appear to be what they call a human being, you are as good as a sibling in my eyes and in my heart.

I also just want to say that I feel like all you are going through is nothing less than spiritual.  Sometimes society teaches us to think of God as a man in the sky who "calls the shots" and "watches things happen".  Then when it comes to our dark times, the idea of a God like that only seems to make "him" seem like a truly spiteful confusing being, or a hunky dory fairy tale.

But the people who make it past those illusions realize that "God", the Creator of All, the Source of the Universe, is not making or watching us lose and hurt and cry.  This source is in all things.. God "is" in the lost loved one, God "is" the pain in our hearts, God "is" the tears rolling down our face.  We do not experience things because of or in spite of God.. God experiences things through *us*.

Sorry, I'm probably rambling and I don't want to "stir the pot" for you spiritually if that's not what you want to hear right now.. the most important thing is just to know I send sweetest thoughts and prayers your way.


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Apr 05, 2011 06:55 pm
Dear Casey,

But the people who make it past those illusions realize that "God", the Creator of All, the Source of the Universe, is not making or watching us lose and hurt and cry.  This source is in all things.. God "is" in the lost loved one, God "is" the pain in our hearts, God "is" the tears rolling down our face.  We do not experience things because of or in spite of God.. God experiences things through *us*.

Sorry, I'm probably rambling and I don't want to "stir the pot" for you spiritually if that's not what you want to hear right now.. the most important thing is just to know I send sweetest thoughts and prayers your way.

Lucky this bit of communication is incredibly insightful. It was appreciated by me and probably others as well.

Steve


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Apr 05, 2011 10:25 pm
Thank you, Lucky. I appreciate your warm wishes, and will carry them with me as I approach the darkest time. Every ?! moment can just come back at this time, and I'm not so good at dealing with it, even after nearly four years.

(@Steve/others: the odd midsentence punctuation is my attempt at censoring myself, avoiding using language which I don't feel is appropriate for such a sacred place.)


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: yoshi on Apr 06, 2011 12:53 am
(http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/hug3.gif) (((Casey))) (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/hug3.gif)


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Apr 06, 2011 10:50 pm
(((Anne)))

Thank you.

This is madness. The closer it gets, the worse I seem to feel.

Casey


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: yoshi on Apr 06, 2011 10:59 pm
_/\_  you are in my thoughts and prayers....asking for comfort .... <3<3<3

(((Hugs)))


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Apr 07, 2011 12:20 am
Thank you, Anne.

Thank you all. I really appreciate your thoughts and advice.

Casey


Title: Selective Couplings
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Apr 07, 2011 04:00 pm
Thank you, Anne.

Thank you all. I really appreciate your thoughts and advice.

Casey

Dear Casey quite often words scenes and sounds enter my head as if from nowhere. i have the choice of listening to them and remember seeing them or to shrug them off as just synapses firing in my head randomly that have no coherent purpose. i choose to see their significance as coming from a source of guidance within that i am grateful for and i do not ignore such inspirations; although i would not respond to situations and people if it were not for these 'guides' helping me along.

This phrase came in to my head as i awoke this morning; Selective Couplings.  u see i think that much suffering arises in us all because we become as if isolated in our relationships with others. We cut ourselves off from a network of helpful people when this happens. This is source of misery that results from such one pointed focus on selective couplings.

Looking at it in this context helps us view our separation from others as a blessing in disguise to help us expand our relationships to include others in our lives. God has a larger plan for us all though when we keep living in the sorrow of our past wounds we cut ourselves off from the expansion that lies before us.

Once when i was overcome by grief from the separation of a relationship a saint said to me that i needed to be careful because he had seen that look on convicts. You see i was a convict. A convict in a prison of my own sorrow. i laughed when he said it and it helped relieve the pain tremendously. Such are the blessings of being in the presence of a saint. When u take steps towards freedom from sorrow, God will meet u more than half way...

Jitendra


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Apr 11, 2011 04:43 pm
I like your line on emotional convict-dom, Jitendraji. It's such a difficult thing to get out of though, given that one has to fully experience the emotions which are holding him/her prisoner. For me, these have included a fiery anger, something which I normally do. not. do.

I'm still reeling from having received an email from my late friend's mother (the young woman who lived in TN) which gave a detailed description of the gravestone. There's nothing that makes it quite so final.


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: flying squirrel on Jul 11, 2011 02:01 am
hey Live to Learn !  8)

Where you been ?

What you learning ?

your squirrelly friend is wondering


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Sep 03, 2011 11:10 am
Thanks, squirrel.

Would seem that I'm learning just how low a human can get, thanks to swinging through some anger stuff related to my friend who died from complications relating to anorexia. Although I know she was in emotional pain, I don't see how that represents a way out. I suppose spiritually it's viewed in a similar way to suicide, but I'm not sure whether I care about that that much right now, I'm just so damn irritated that she threw it away....

Living, learning, trying to love at the same time, although some people make it difficult,

Thanks for your concern,

Casey


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: flying squirrel on Sep 03, 2011 06:19 pm
hey Live to Learn  8)

good to see you back here !  :)

sorry for all the emotional upheaval in your life

this may be difficult
but you need to let this go
sorry to be brief
not meaning to sound un - compassionate (is that a word ?)

there is nothing you can say or do now to change what happened
you cannot let this eat away at you
you must forgive her, forgive you
and let it go

keep her in your thoughts and prayers
you are in mine

your squirrelly friend  8)


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: flying squirrel on Sep 03, 2011 06:24 pm
I'm just so damn irritated that she threw it away....

the anger needs to be dealt with
if you don't mind me being blunt ?

Let it all out
write her a letter, shout at her, cuss at her if you need to
get all the anger out

take the letter and burn it, bury it, flush it down the toilet !
LET IT GO

and you will feel much better
almost a guarantee....
can't say for sure as who would take a guarantee from a flying squirrel ? ;D 8)


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: guest66 on Sep 03, 2011 09:29 pm
Thanks, squirrel.

I've already written a letter, and am about to embark on trying to get a handle on it from an intellectual point of view. I know I can't change it, but I'd like to finally try and understand it. Every time I tried to before  coincided with some period of time where she was in hospital, when we all thought that 'this' was on the cards...don't know why I wasn't better prepared for it in that sense.

Suppose ours is not to wonder why, but I still find myself there.

Casey


Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: flying squirrel on Sep 04, 2011 12:11 am
sometimes the reasons why
are not ours to know

difficult
but we must learn to accept

no matter how much we think we are ready
when the time comes for someone to leave us
we are never really ready

there will be sorrow
there will be pain
there will be questions why

and sometimes
even if we knew the answers
would it really make it any easier ?




Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: flying squirrel on Apr 12, 2012 06:44 pm
Hey Live to Learn !  8)

you out there somewhere ?  ???

where you benn ?



Title: Re: Live to Learn
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Apr 12, 2012 08:23 pm
Hey Live to Learn !  8)

you out there somewhere ?  ???

where you benn ?


Hey Squirrel i was wondering also. i have had the the thought for sometime now...