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Title: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 18, 2011 12:43 am
PY says that the mind constantly thinking about the body becomes limited by it. The mind meditating upon the infinite becomes unlimited. Meditation is the art of transferring the attention from finite things-the little body and the portion of space in which mortals live- to the infinite. Meditation means constantly thinking about the vastness within and without, so that the soul may forget its attachment to the limited physical body and remember its vast body as God. The little soul wave must forget its smallness, which is only a mental concept born of concentration on the body, and must concentrate upon the universe as its own big body, of which the physical body is just a tiny part.


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: tides2dust on May 18, 2011 10:57 am
like an ideal !

thank you steve
look at todays saki ! : )

http://wahiduddin.net/saki/saki_date.php
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Commentary by Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan

An ideal is something to hope for and hold on to, and in the absence of an ideal hope has nothing to look forward to. It is the lack of idealism which accounts for the present degeneration of humanity in spite of all the progress it has made in other directions. There are many kinds of ideals: principles, virtues, objects of devotion; but the greatest and highest of all ideals is the God-ideal. And when this God-ideal upon which all other ideals are based is lost, then the very notion of ideal is ignored. Man needs many things in life, but his greatest need is an ideal.

   from  http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/IX/IX_9.htm


God is the ideal that raises mankind to the utmost reach of perfection. As man considers and judges his dealings with man in his conscience, so the real worshipper of God considers his dealings with God. If he has helped anybody, if he has been kind to anybody, if he has made sacrifices for anybody, he does not look for appreciation or return for his doing so to the people to whom he has done good; for he considers that he has done it for God, and therefore, his account is with God, not with those with whom he has dealt. He does not care even if instead of praising they blame him; for in any case he has done it for God, who is the best judge and the knower of all things.

There is no ideal that can raise the moral standard higher than the God-ideal, although love is the root of all and God is the fruit of this. Love's expansion and love's culmination and love's progress all depend upon the God-ideal. How much a man fears his friend, his neighbor, when he does something that might offend him whom he loves, whom he respects; and yet how narrow is his goodness when it is only for one person or for certain people! Imagine if he had the same consideration for God, then he would be considerate everywhere and in dealing with all people; as in a verse of a Sufi which says, 'Everywhere I go I find Thy sacred dwelling-place; and whichever side I look I see Thy beautiful face, my Beloved.'

   from  http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/III/III_III_4.htm

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PY says that the mind constantly thinking about the body becomes limited by it. The mind meditating upon the infinite becomes unlimited. Meditation is the art of transferring the attention from finite things-the little body and the portion of space in which mortals live- to the infinite. Meditation means constantly thinking about the vastness within and without, so that the soul may forget its attachment to the limited physical body and remember its vast body as God. The little soul wave must forget its smallness, which is only a mental concept born of concentration on the body, and must concentrate upon the universe as its own big body, of which the physical body is just a tiny part.

healthy mind = healthy body ?
why completely forget the body if its what you've been given and are experiencing life in ?
why does PY want to forget ?
or is it phrased that way to reveal and recognize scale
im confused !

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Ego causes various toxins, impurities or heavy matters (malas) to accumulate in the chitta nadi and inhibit its flow These toxins derive from wrongly digested food, impressions and associations, from wrong diet, wrong use of the senses, and wrong relationships. Hence the flow through the chitta nadi is affected by the condition of the body, prana and mind. Chitta nadi is connected to all the channel systems of the physical and subtle bodies.

this is an interesting read
http://www.ayurveda-br.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1161409007&archive=&start_from=&ucat=13&l=en

k BYE




Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: yoshi on May 18, 2011 01:52 pm
PY says that the mind constantly thinking about the body becomes limited by it. The mind meditating upon the infinite becomes unlimited. Meditation is the art of transferring the attention from finite things-the little body and the portion of space in which mortals live- to the infinite. Meditation means constantly thinking about the vastness within and without, so that the soul may forget its attachment to the limited physical body and remember its vast body as God. The little soul wave must forget its smallness, which is only a mental concept born of concentration on the body, and must concentrate upon the universe as its own big body, of which the physical body is just a tiny part.

body ?? what's a body ??  (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/scratchhd.gif)   ;)

<3<3<3


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 18, 2011 05:31 pm

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PY says that the mind constantly thinking about the body becomes limited by it. The mind meditating upon the infinite becomes unlimited. Meditation is the art of transferring the attention from finite things-the little body and the portion of space in which mortals live- to the infinite. Meditation means constantly thinking about the vastness within and without, so that the soul may forget its attachment to the limited physical body and remember its vast body as God. The little soul wave must forget its smallness, which is only a mental concept born of concentration on the body, and must concentrate upon the universe as its own big body, of which the physical body is just a tiny part.

healthy mind = healthy body ?
why completely forget the body if its what you've been given and are experiencing life in ?
why does PY want to forget ?
or is it phrased that way to reveal and recognize scale
im confused !

quote from 14

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Experiencing the small body or your body in the universe: Divine
Mother. We r given the universe y do we want less? Jitendra



Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Lucky Denver on May 18, 2011 05:52 pm
Quote from: 14
healthy mind = healthy body ?
why completely forget the body if its what you've been given and are experiencing life in ?
why does PY want to forget ?
or is it phrased that way to reveal and recognize scale
im confused !

There's no need to "completely forget" about the body.  That could pretty much only be possible via death or a coma.

Consider the phrasing used in Steve's post: "the mind constantly thinking about the body becomes limited by it"

If we convince ourselves that we are nothing more than our physical body and that there is nothing beyond physical limits of time-space, then as a result of free will and attraction we must "play by our own rules", and therefore we will be limited only as far as we limit ourselves.

When we consider that we are dual-beings and have "spiritual" body as well as physical, then we can begin to understand that the mortal body is a mere vehicle for the soul with which to move around in time-space.  And when we consider that there is infinite beyond time-space, we allow ourselves to extend our mind and lives far beyond the limits of that "vehicle" we call a body.

Thus, the physical, mental, and spiritual body are connected.  You can not single out one and neglect the other, for they follow each other.  Taking care of the body, being healthy, etc. can still be considered part of mental health and spiritual health as well, and when you think this way you also free yourself of physical limits.  You can easily alter your DNA and strengthen the body with spiritual mind.

The problem is only when one forgets that the body is connected to mind and spirit.  That is what I believe PY refers to as "the mind constantly thinking about the body becomes limited by it".

Love
Lucky


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 18, 2011 06:50 pm
Quote from: 14
healthy mind = healthy body ?
why completely forget the body if its what you've been given and are experiencing life in ?
why does PY want to forget ?
or is it phrased that way to reveal and recognize scale
im confused !

There's no need to "completely forget" about the body.  That could pretty much only be possible via death or a coma.

Consider the phrasing used in Steve's post: "the mind constantly thinking about the body becomes limited by it"

If we convince ourselves that we are nothing more than our physical body and that there is nothing beyond physical limits of time-space, then as a result of free will and attraction we must "play by our own rules", and therefore we will be limited only as far as we limit ourselves.

When we consider that we are dual-beings and have "spiritual" body as well as physical, then we can begin to understand that the mortal body is a mere vehicle for the soul with which to move around in time-space.  And when we consider that there is infinite beyond time-space, we allow ourselves to extend our mind and lives far beyond the limits of that "vehicle" we call a body.

Thus, the physical, mental, and spiritual body are connected.  You can not single out one and neglect the other, for they follow each other.  Taking care of the body, being healthy, etc. can still be considered part of mental health and spiritual health as well, and when you think this way you also free yourself of physical limits.  You can easily alter your DNA and strengthen the body with spiritual mind.

The problem is only when one forgets that the body is connected to mind and spirit.  That is what I believe PY refers to as "the mind constantly thinking about the body becomes limited by it".

Love
Lucky

True Lucky It is fortunate when u find someone that u love and and can express love thru the physical body but it is important to realize that we even limit our conceptions of love when we get too wrapped up in physical expression. Isn't it beautiful when two bodies merge physically and even more when they can merge their energies. Finally when they can expand their love to include everyone around them and the universe as well. That is why i like meditating with those i love and those that love me. i will never forget the physical expression of love that Amma gives in her embrace. Her darshan. It is possible to convey spiritual energy even thru the physical.

JItendra


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: yoshi on May 18, 2011 09:46 pm
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True Lucky It is fortunate when u find someone that u love and and can express love thru the physical body but it is important to realize that we even limit our conceptions of love when we get too wrapped up in physical expression. Isn't it beautiful when two bodies merge physically and even more when they can merge their energies. Finally when they can expand their love to include everyone around them and the universe as well. That is why i like meditating with those i love and those that love me. i will never forget the physical expression of love that Amma gives in her embrace. Her darshan. It is possible to convey spiritual energy even thru the physical.

JItendra

the mergence of two souls/energies.....is one-der-full,,,it is beyond words.  actually....it is mergence of three,,,the two souls and god.  body mergence is one-der-full also.... but the mergence of energies i mentioned ,,,,is 'beyond' any body mergence....
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3  lovin' this thread..... :D ;) <3<3<3<3<3<3<3

((((Love&Hugs&OM))) to all....
yoshi


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 19, 2011 08:59 am
the mergence of two souls/energies.....is one-der-full,,,it is beyond words.  actually....it is mergence of three,,,the two souls and god.  body mergence is one-der-full also.... but the mergence of energies i mentioned ,,,,is 'beyond' any body mergence....
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3  lovin' this thread..... :D ;) <3<3<3<3<3<3<3

((((Love&Hugs&OM))) to all....
yoshi


body ?? what's a body ??  (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/scratchhd.gif)   ;)

<3<3<3

Well Anne; U r talking about energies. When we think of enlightenment that concept is beyond energies. Now we r talking about such things as Christ Consciousness where the body becomes identified with the universe and everything in it. Yet even higher is cosmic consciousness where the physical body would only be used as a kind of reference point for others to identify with but not the consciousness that inhabits it.

That consciousness that inhabits the body has no identification with that body. That consciousness is free from that body and sees that body as light. Yogananda said that he had killed Yogananda a long time ago. When Eric asks questions like this:

healthy mind = healthy body ?
why completely forget the body if its what you've been given and are experiencing life in ?
why does PY want to forget ?
or is it phrased that way to reveal and recognize scale
im confused !  

He is not taking into account that an enlightened being is beyond experiencing him or herself as a body. They do not need to forget the body because the body is not something they have any identity with. They do not experience themselves as having an identity with the body but rather as expressing consciousness through the body which they have forgotten and why would they want to remember it if they were experiencing something much more greater? That is they r one with spirit and bliss.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: yoshi on May 19, 2011 11:41 pm
well...maybe i had it wrong....maybe it was the melding/merging of the three consciousnesses...not energies....

whatever it is....it is beyond words


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 20, 2011 07:43 am
well...maybe i had it wrong....maybe it was the melding/merging of the three consciousnesses...not energies....

whatever it is....it is beyond words

No right or wrong Anne; just different ways of looking at things. Sometimes i find your way of looking at things works better then mine.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: flying squirrel on May 20, 2011 07:53 am
well...maybe i had it wrong....maybe it was the melding/merging of the three consciousnesses...not energies....

whatever it is....it is beyond words

No right or wrong Anne; just different ways of looking at things. Sometimes i find your way of looking at things works better then mine.

Jitendra


so diplomatic  8)


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 20, 2011 07:59 am
well...maybe i had it wrong....maybe it was the melding/merging of the three consciousnesses...not energies....

whatever it is....it is beyond words

No right or wrong Anne; just different ways of looking at things. Sometimes i find your way of looking at things works better then mine.

Jitendra


so diplomatic  8) (cosmic squirrel)

It comes with the territory.... (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/scratchhd.gif)


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: flying squirrel on May 20, 2011 08:17 am
well...maybe i had it wrong....maybe it was the melding/merging of the three consciousnesses...not energies....

whatever it is....it is beyond words

No right or wrong Anne; just different ways of looking at things. Sometimes i find your way of looking at things works better then mine.

Jitendra


so diplomatic  8) (cosmic squirrel)

It comes with the territory.... (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/scratchhd.gif)

what comes with the territory ?

fleas ?  :o ;D 8)


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 20, 2011 06:38 pm
well...maybe i had it wrong....maybe it was the melding/merging of the three consciousnesses...not energies....

whatever it is....it is beyond words

No right or wrong Anne; just different ways of looking at things. Sometimes i find your way of looking at things works better then mine.

Jitendra


so diplomatic  8) (cosmic squirrel)

It comes with the territory.... (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/scratchhd.gif)

what comes with the territory ?

fleas ?  :o ;D 8)

There r many things higher then thinking about fleas. Their presence goes ignored when we rise to a higher calling. We manifest what we think cosmic squirrel.


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: yoshi on May 20, 2011 08:36 pm
in christ consciousness......there resides no right nor wrong.....no good nor bad....

no suffering....

there exists no time....no pressures of time.

no frustrations......no expectations.

(((Love&Hugs&OM)))  <3<3<3



Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: flying squirrel on May 20, 2011 08:37 pm
It comes with the territory.... (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/scratchhd.gif)

what comes with the territory ?

fleas ?  :o ;D 8)

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There r many things higher then thinking about fleas. Their presence goes ignored when we rise to a higher calling. We manifest what we think cosmic squirrel.

hey Jitendra !  8)

come back down to earth momentarily

was just trying to be humorous  ;D

playing with words, looking at smilie scratching his head

lighten up
am sure even PY had a sense of humor !


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 20, 2011 09:00 pm
in christ consciousness......there resides no right nor wrong.....no good nor bad....

no suffering....

there exists no time....no pressures of time.

no frustrations......no expectations.

(((Love&Hugs&OM)))  <3<3<3


No expectations. No pressures. No frustrations. It is a choice of how we use our energies. Yet in this world there is right and wrong. There is cold and hot. There is dark an light. There is good and bad and there is time. We go thru tests for our spiritual growth thru this duality. We must choose between one or the other and when we do not we leave others behind. It is OK Anne. Life moves on. We move on. You cannot stop the flow of life and we constantly make choices as to what stream we will go down when the river splits. Yes we all will reach the sea eventually yet we also make our choices along the way and we leave much behind in those choices. Some streams will meet the ocean much quicker others will go over much rocky undercurrent.

i chose mine you can also do the same or u r free not to. The choice is yours or u can follow the same current u have followed all your life. If u feel it will make u happy.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 20, 2011 09:10 pm
It comes with the territory.... (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/scratchhd.gif)

what comes with the territory ?

fleas ?  :o ;D 8)

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There r many things higher then thinking about fleas. Their presence goes ignored when we rise to a higher calling. We manifest what we think cosmic squirrel.

hey Jitendra !  8)

come back down to earth momentarily

was just trying to be humorous  ;D

playing with words, looking at smilie scratching his head

lighten up
am sure even PY had a sense of humor !

...and what makes u think i take it so seriously? ??? ;D


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: flying squirrel on May 20, 2011 09:19 pm
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...and what makes u think i take it so seriously?   ??? ;D

because most everything is connected to a higher calling, being, elevation, or some sort of Yuga time

not complaining, just observing

I could be wrong, not likely but possible  ;D 8)


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: flying squirrel on May 20, 2011 09:23 pm
on another line of thought ~ seems someone has a fear of being left behind  :o

each person makes their own choices and there is nothing wrong with that

let it be ~ sang the Beatles  ;D 8)



Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 20, 2011 09:26 pm
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...and what makes u think i take it so seriously?   ??? ;D

because most everything is connected to a higher calling, being, elevation, or some sort of Yuga time

not complaining, just observing

I could be wrong, not likely but possible  ;D 8)

u can b connected to a higher calling and still laugh, love and smile which i am doing right now my friend. As a matter of fact it is rather comical that u come around at just the right times. God has a sense of humor though it might not b apparent to everyone. He really has quite a sense of humor.


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 20, 2011 10:37 pm
on another line of thought ~ seems someone has a fear of being left behind  :o

each person makes their own choices and there is nothing wrong with that

let it be ~ sang the Beatles  ;D 8)

It is better to have open confrontation at a distance across the country from someone. It makes it difficult for them to stalk you.


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: yoshi on May 20, 2011 11:24 pm
in christ consciousness......there resides no right nor wrong.....no good nor bad....

no suffering....

there exists no time....no pressures of time.

no frustrations......no expectations.

(((Love&Hugs&OM)))  <3<3<3


No expectations. No pressures. No frustrations. It is a choice of how we use our energies. Yet in this world there is right and wrong. There is cold and hot. There is dark an light. There is good and bad and there is time. We go thru tests for our spiritual growth thru this duality. We must choose between one or the other and when we do not we leave others behind. It is OK Anne. Life moves on. We move on. You cannot stop the flow of life and we constantly make choices as to what stream we will go down when the river splits. Yes we all will reach the sea eventually yet we also make our choices along the way and we leave much behind in those choices. Some streams will meet the ocean much quicker others will go over much rocky undercurrent.

i chose mine you can also do the same or u r free not to. The choice is yours or u can follow the same current u have followed all your life. If u feel it will make u happy.

Jitendra


please note.....i am referring to the christ consciousness.

yes...i know it is ok.  

time exists in the physical realm....not christ consciousness.  when consciousness is in the body/ physical realm....we need not let time cause us anxieties.   ya...we need to deal with these physical 'things' while 'here'....we can choose to 'deal' with them in two ways....either alseep or not asleep/awake or not awake/through cc or through avidya...

when consciousness is in body....it does so in order to learn to use it's will.... we do not incarnate into body for only karmic purposes.  consciousness is consciousness....whether in body or not, it will 'burn karma' or accumulate it.

i am not trying to stop the current of life.....in fact, quite the opposite i believe.

oh, and karma...in my 'opinion'....it is a navigation tool back to god,,,,not something put into place because we make right or wrong decisions...or right or wrong actions.

(((Love&Hugs&OM))) <3<3<3  

 






  


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: Beatrice Landcaster on May 21, 2011 01:51 am
Sorry folks if the movie is gettin bit borin. Pity the poor pelican his beak holds more than his belly can.....

and so folks we will pause now for station identification. Take a drink relax and feel the breeze through your hair. What a lovely day! Warmth to my brothers and sisters back home. Hallelujah! Bless my ol soul. Praise the Lord! and remember what goes in ya old bod must come out. Watch what ya'all put in it now ya hear?

                                              Beatrice


Title: Re: Soul/Body Consciousness
Post by: yoshi on May 21, 2011 03:54 pm
Sorry folks if the movie is gettin bit borin. Pity the poor pelican his beak holds more than his belly can.....

and so folks we will pause now for station identification. Take a drink relax and feel the breeze through your hair. What a lovely day! Warmth to my brothers and sisters back home. Hallelujah! Bless my ol soul. Praise the Lord! and remember what goes in ya old bod must come out. Watch what ya'all put in it now ya hear?

                                              Beatrice

i would not worry too much Bea...dont git ur feathers in a ruffle...i 'spose, iffin' them thar others do not want to read this thread....they will not.
 ;D