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Title: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 14, 2013 01:58 am
the laws i think hold true exist not in a manuscript forged by a few single men but come directly from nature. the laws that govern this planet are the same for neighboring planets in our local universe. i can't talk like i know what karma is but it makes me think it is simply a word used to describe something like cause and effect.   

Yes Eric: cause and effect.

There r many different kinds of karma that r based on action/reaction or cause and effect as you have said.

There is the karma of individuals. The karma of nations etc. and there is 'good karma' and 'bad karma' and karma that is easy to remedy. There is karma that can be mitigated and there is karma that has to b endured. There r ways to burn off karma. The Kriya lessons in the SRF Lessons offer a way to burn off karma. Pujas r held to burn off karma.

There r planets that symbolize karma from the past. Saturn is such a planet. Although all the planets tell us of the way we have reacted to past events and how they r now manifesting Saturn is the father of karma and where it lies in the chart shows us where we r dealing with karmic issues and where we r serious about doing something about what we have created in the past.

There r people who burn off our karma. For instance it was said that Jesus came to pay for our sins. Let us explore the meaning of this word in a thread. The word comes from India and the science of religion that comes from that area so i have put it under a category associated with it's origins. Does anyone want to offer something about Karma?

Jitendra


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 14, 2013 07:00 pm
For instance there are karmic reasons we come into this incarnation.

Eric came in with a predisposition to work out unconscious fears and factors that manifest in his life and he wants to understand them. Relationships come into his life that have a destined feel about them which help him in this process. There r many illuninations and sudden realizations that come to him that have a karmic background to them. He is learning about the inner stirrings and workings of his unconscious this life and more and more they become a means of self expression.

Serena has karma manifesting in her encounters with relationships. They become a serious element of her learning about herself. Even though they can b challenging at times relationships provide the territory for seeing herself more clearer and improving her own relationships becomes a life goal.

Prabhatsina also works out karma thru relationships and finds that often challenging encounters with people
close to him create trials for him. Men in his life, including his father seem to be a confronting area for him and getting along in close relationships can challenge his environmental settings.

Yoshi finds that encounters in groups and with friends challenges her. There values do not always coincide with hers so it makes her feel like an outsider. Her father and men who have a controling factor over her in her choice of friends and personal values will cause a reevaluation of personal values and her relationships to groups and friends. hopes, wishes and ideals for her life take on a serious tone.

Comet has responsibilities with her communication skills. She can feel inhibited at times because of some of the difficulties associated with communicating with others. If she has brothers and sisiters they too become a karmic lesson. Short travels and small communication turn out to be much more serious in nature this is because of the karmic factor she had brought to this life. She would like to communicate without all the hassles that come along with it.

Namaste2All finds his very surroundings filled with responsibilities and serious challenges. It is easy to feel abit imprisoned by all these constant reponsibilities to others and in his environment. If he is not careful this works out in his health as a reaction to not having enough free time to enjoy work out and just live with the freedom to do as he would like.

Kurtzie works out major karma thru health related issues and responsibilities in the vacinity where she moves about helping others. Her home and her relations with her brothers and sisters provide karmic lessons in her life. Her communications become serious when, for instance, she sees something like this on the board.  :) So i will keep it short and sweet.  ;D

Well folks i brought karma down to a personal level. i could have included more people but i put those i have seen on the forum lately. i might add and subtract some here and there. So you may want to look back. As i often do this with posts. Enjoy your life. That is why we are here;To enjoy the entertainment provided daily. Call me if you'd like. i enjoy hearing from all of you. See u at the movies.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 03, 2013 09:23 am
Karma literally: action. That is the actions we have done in the past, the actions we are doing now and the actions we will do in the future. Or the lack of actions. We are influenced a lot by our environment. So we may act very differently in various ages we have lived and around many people that are around us. For instance we may have a lot of food so we do not have to spend much of our time searching for it or cultivating it like we might in another time and culture. If we have a strong antipathy towards something we will attract it to us.

Paramahansa Yogananda said that those people who hate other races will be born in the race they hate next life. As Jesus was abe to burn off the karma of others also Paramahansa Yogananda was said to work off the karma of others on his own body. He was in a wheel chair in the later part of his life working off the karma of others. Sometimes he would get up and walk though to show that he was not limited by the confines of the wheel chair and body.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Make no mistake about this: You can never make a fool out of God. Whatever you plant is what you'll harvest.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

American King James Version
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

American Standard Version
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.




Jitendra



Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 19, 2013 07:35 pm
Three Types of Karma

There is a delay between most of our actions and their results. Later on we are unable to make the connection. It may come back to us in a totally different person. The first type of karma can be taken care of quickly by an adjustment in our behavior or attitude. The second requires remedial action. For example if we get cancer. The third type of karma we can only endure and pray about..... 

from talks by Amma


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 30, 2013 02:16 am
Some people have deposited a great amount of good deeds in their bank of karma. Life is cyclic. Death a period at the end of a sentence. Our karma will come to us regardless of our situation. Whether we are aware of it or not, we are not individual lands or islands. We are linked to a chain.

~Amma


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: tides2dust on Dec 31, 2013 03:15 am
2nd step to liberation - start throwing rose petals in the air



I really like this saying.

:)

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For instance there are karmic reasons we come into this incarnation.

Eric came in with a predisposition to work out unconscious fears and factors that manifest in his life and he wants to understand them. Relationships come into his life that have a destined feel about them which help him in this process. There r many illuninations and sudden realizations that come to him that have a karmic background to them. He is learning about the inner stirrings and workings of his unconscious this life and more and more they become a means of self expression.

Interestingly enough, most of my fears or insecurities are noticeable the more invested I am in a Relationship.
Maybe this is the Nature of Man. Suffering exist for a Reason I suppose. I would like to Free Myself from these Fears. Practicing Faith and placing Trust in something outside yourself is indeed a Difficult task. The more I grow and Realize the Responsible and Caring Mentality my parents demonstrate- The more I am at awe for their ability to Let Go and Trust- Despite all the bad things that can go wrong.

Why Worry about it though ? It is Difficult when you Love someone. I wonder if my Fears stem from a Past Life  or if it is the Lack of Earthly Experience in this life. It is something deep and my Present Life hasn't been the hardest for me to say I know where my Worries are coming from.

Hmm, Thank you. I've been curious lately. G2g for now.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Feb 06, 2014 07:46 pm
The reason and response to poverty were amazingly delt with in the life of Jesus. Think of the joy of someone being told: 'Follow Me'. To be in the presence of an Avatar. I have! There are people who make you richer by being in their presence and deprived by their absence. Yet there was one who was told 'sell everything and give to the poor'. Now; let us ask the simple question who was really poor and who was really rich? So you see karma can be very deceptive. So it is plain to see that we cannot judge and understand karma by an outer display. I have been  around people who think they are rich but have found much more joy in the hearts of those who were not bounded and gagged by the entrapment of financial wealth. Of course there are exceptions to every situation. Such is the character of duality.

Yet often we are blessed to have such people caught in the spider web of finacial wealth leave us before we to have our very life blood sucked up by the black widow who catches us in her web.

 I had the good fortune (karma) to see Daya Mata several times and in person at the Mother Center. She said: 'It is so wonderful to be in love.' Having that presence of God with us and recognizing it makes our conditions appear very different. We are no longer in the grips of outward display that reinforces our existence because we become rich with being.

Karma is not a static phenomena but rather dynamic. There is the karma that comes to us and we simply make a few adjustments and it is taken care of. There is the karma that requires remedial action and there is karma that we must endure and pray about. There is also karma of nations and karma of our earth to name a few. Our understanding of concepts such as karma expands and changes as we evolve and we find ourselves in higher yugas.

So we see that many times in history nations have taken action to relieve the social inequalities that exist. This is something that Obama is making an effort to do. Yet there will always be those who resist the progress of time and evolution. They themselves are blocked in their own evolution. As we once had slavery we now see economic slavery. It is for us to recognize when the karma of a people is changing and the resistance to that change that thwarts progress.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 25, 2014 08:14 pm
Quote from: kingfisher111

Also, I wonder about what my happen in this life, because of things I've done in past lives, and even mistakes in this one...  Ram Dass says "our Karma is our Dharma," which makes sense to me.  I want to own all the things others have done to me, and own my responses to them, and learn from all of this, so I can make healthier decisions of who to trust and how much in the future, among other things I can learn from these Sacred Life Events.

111

yes what we experience now is indeed our karma/dharma. This idea of karma has many facets as I have already brought up in this thread: karma. It is important to realize that in various ways we can lessen our karma and burn it off. According to ParamahansaYogananda one kriya done properly burns off 1 year of karma and hastens evolution. I have also included some of Amma 's ideas on dealing with the cause/effect notion of karma. (See reply#4 Dec. 14 and reply#5 above; Dec. 30)


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 26, 2014 02:13 am
1st step to liberation - stop throwing / lofting stones in the air - they come back down !  (imagine lofting them real high so they come down further down the path, right as you walk under that path... but some thrown farther or closer down the path, no telling).

2nd step to liberation - start throwing rose petals in the air

(neat thing occurs when we evolve in these first steps)
the LAW of cause and effect
means eventually the stones from way back are diminished/exhausted (if we stop lobbing them).
BUT even more significant is that BEYOND LAW is DIVINE GRACE...
it is like an umbrella
it might act like a filter and protect us from big boulders or rocks, and only let little pebbles or rose petals thru...

When we we understand the notion that what comes around goes around we usually do what is in accordance with divine law to avoid the pitfalls of karma. It seems to me that most of us that are reading this post create karma because they are not able to always distinguish what choices are best for the situation. There are many situations in life that are grey in nature. For these situations we are effected and the people around us are whether we make a choice or do not. In this sense i do not find your analogy holds up Scott. Sometimes we hold heavy flowers and very light rocks. We are blinded and we do not know what to throw up on the air. If we throw nothing the law of karma effects us for taking no action when we can not stand still and wait any longer.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: brock on Apr 26, 2014 03:14 am
I keep realizing over and over again that when we are weighing things (should I do this, should I do that) we are caught in the mind. We are acting out of thinking and not awareness. We are divided beings. We have to live totally and when we do there can be no cause for regret. It is only in partial living that we have regret. Because we wanted to go one way and we went the other. We acted out of an idea instead of out of direct perception of what the moment calls for. When we try to impose our ideas, which are thought up and derive from the past, onto the present we are living an unmeditative life. No matter how good our intentions are, they still fail. It is because we are living in thought, concepts, judgment, in ideals, in fantasy, that the moment - THE one moment we have - which is this life in toto, that moment eludes us. It is always a little bit ahead of us or always a little bit behind. We are never here, now. If we try to correct our notions of past karma, we are still living in the past. If we try to create good karma for a future, we are caught in the future. This moment escapes us throughout life. The simplicity of awareness makes it elusive.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 28, 2014 03:06 am
I keep realizing over and over again that when we are weighing things (should I do this, should I do that) we are caught in the mind. We are acting out of thinking and not awareness. We are divided beings. We have to live totally and when we do there can be no cause for regret. It is only in partial living that we have regret. Because we wanted to go one way and we went the other. We acted out of an idea instead of out of direct perception of what the moment calls for. When we try to impose our ideas, which are thought up and derive from the past, onto the present we are living an unmeditative life. No matter how good our intentions are, they still fail. It is because we are living in thought, concepts, judgment, in ideals, in fantasy, that the moment - THE one moment we have - which is this life in toto, that moment eludes us. It is always a little bit ahead of us or always a little bit behind. We are never here, now. If we try to correct our notions of past karma, we are still living in the past. If we try to create good karma for a future, we are caught in the future. This moment escapes us throughout life. The simplicity of awareness makes it elusive.

Your concepts are interesting/helpful Brock. Yet there are many things in life that require planning. We can be in the moment planning, however it is still for a future outcome.


Title: Karma in Dreams
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 16, 2014 03:17 pm
Why does friendship and love often vanish? Why does love have the nasty habit of disappearing over nite? Paramahansa Yogananda has this observation;  "Do not poison friendship by demand and compulsion and wrong familiarity; or by discourtesy, or harsh speech, or mental cruelty." That is what he says not to do. What does he say to do? "Friendship consists in becoming increasingly useful in every way (materially and spiritually) to your friends. Therefore. keep unceasingly developing if you want to be a good friend, or to inspire friends or to receive others as your friends."  

Do we create karma when we dream? According to the SRF ministers we do. The karma is not as strong as in the 'waking state' but nevertheless we create karma when we are asleep so it is important to watch our thoughts. Last nite before I went to bed i was reading the above quote by Paramahansa Yogananda and I woke up to memories of helping a spiritual family in my dreams. When i was done i went to a SRF occasion and talked to the leader of the group. I asked her if I could help in some way. She told me that she had asked many friends but none could help and she needed help right away because she had to be somewhere and needed many things moved. So i told her I would be there.

It strikes me as interesting that just before I went to sleep I was reading about this. It shows that we can control our thoughts-even in our dreams-if we prompt ourselves to have kind and helpful dreams before sleep by concentrating on such thoughts before sleeping.

Jitendra




Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Swami Peevananda on Aug 16, 2014 08:36 pm
Are we dreaming now? Ramana Maharshi said the only difference between the waking and the dreaming state is that wakefulness lasts long and dreams are short. He said that we create a new body when we dream. As long as there is a sense of "I" hood there will be karma whether it is in this body or another body or another plane of consciousness.

source: Teachings of Ramana Maharshi


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 25, 2015 04:56 pm
We have all had the experience of knowing someone who acted as an enemy. Are such people karmic? Or are they just doing bad things? And how do we love such difficult souls?

What is the Karma of a soul? Basically it is the consequences the soul is confronted with in any given lifetime, resulting from actions initiated by that soul in prior life times. It is the result of responses by the individual in former incarnations to situations in a phenomenal realm usually involving the well being of other individuals. For instance, if the situation occurred where someone was mistreated by another the former may respond with hate anger or a grudge or that person might instead forgive and "learn to love thine enemies". Assuming the individual responded with hate and anger then the Karma of that individual would reap similar circumstances time and time again until the Soul learns to respond with compassion and forgiveness (Venus). As a point of interest the individual who initiated  the mistreatment would also set up a Karmic circumstance whereby that soul might be placed in similar situations with the roles now reversed in order to learn the same lesson of compassion. In both cases the Law of Retribution has been put into motion, consequently bringing forth new situations, new lessons, new means by which a Soul may yet evolve to the Wholeness of Spirit, depending upon how the soul responds to these new Karmic situations.

~Raymond Merriman  (Evolutionary Astrologer)


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SpiritImage on Jul 25, 2015 07:24 pm
Insecure people, on the other hand, need to have someone out there, somewhere in their lives, that they haven't let go of.

Also learn to let go. Relationships come and go, we're human and they don't always work. Often, they never work. All things pass.

If you have unprocessed relationships, it's because you're still plugged in, or connected to someone, and they are not connected to you. They have hurt you, so there's a Karma there, but the Karma is always with yourself. It's not with the world. The Karma center is inside you. The only way you can make a peace with that person that hurt you, is to make a piece with yourself. When you do that it's clear, it's that simple.

http://www.radioastrology.com/TFG/KarmaRel.htm

Disclaimer: I don't know if this person is phony or not


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 26, 2015 09:58 am
Insecure people, on the other hand, need to have someone out there, somewhere in their lives, that they haven't let go of.

Also learn to let go. Relationships come and go, we're human and they don't always work. Often, they never work. All things pass.

If you have unprocessed relationships, it's because you're still plugged in, or connected to someone, and they are not connected to you. They have hurt you, so there's a Karma there, but the Karma is always with yourself. It's not with the world. The Karma center is inside you. The only way you can make a peace with that person that hurt you, is to make a piece with yourself. When you do that it's clear, it's that simple.

http://www.radioastrology.com/TFG/KarmaRel.htm

Disclaimer: I don't know if this person is phony or not

SpiritImage

Your article by someone else reads a bit like a treatise. Not that i do not find it interesting. Often people have long videos or things to read by others that require lots of time; which i do not have. But i am interested in your ideas. Perhaps it is because i believe we share some similar karma. But i would not classify it as bad karma.

First of all you use the word unprocessed related to relationships. i usually think of that word associated with food-not relationships. i can understand that we need to work on ourselves. That has always been the number one goal of spirituality. However karma does involve other people and our time spent with them. i do not believe you can isolate karma and say it does not involve those we have relationships with. Also many of us have many long term relationships not just one or two. i doubt that many people feel really secure about who they are. It may even be a danger since being secure may be associated with ego and feeling we know it all. Most of us have a long way to go to find that security that makes us know what our divine role is and how we are able to act on it at all times. That is why we are here: to learn about it.

We have been working on relationships for life times. Many of these relationships are beneficial so the karma involved is one of merit. There is no need to 'let them go' since the relationship is a benefit to both of them. Many relationships do work and those that do not often need work. Some people give up easily others recognize that if they do not work on the relationships they have and continue to jump to new ones they will have similar problems with relationships they begin that are new. i am not sure that i understand your point Jeff. But i do believe you are trying to say something. So i have taken the time to respond.

To totally forget someone we have spent a lot of time with is heartless. Since we are using the word processed here I will use another similar one. It is recycled. Some people recycle relationships like tin cans. But people are actually souls not processed or unprocessed foods. This is where we create karma if we are not careful to do things with love and act towards others in like manner. Certainly it is much easier  to let go of people who treat us bad yet we cannot always be sure of the reasoning and motives of everyone. It may take quite awhile to see clearly through such situations in our lives.

Someone may have been kind at one time but later turn mean on us. This behavior shows a lack of spiritual development which for me is the easiest sign to let such people go. Life and people are not so simple that we can think we know them and can just write them off. It often takes much understanding on our part and through that process much wisdom is gained.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SpiritImage on Jul 26, 2015 07:51 pm
Those were not my words, all was from the article, forgot to use quote marks. Also 'processed' makes a lot of sense to me, since I use it a lot in programming work.

I think I'm just different. I don't play the relationship game like everyone else. I've never felt a real attachment to anyone. I don't get really "close". Which I think now is a good thing, I don't want to be attached to anything. I don't even like my name, never have, something less to be attached to. I don't have a problem letting go of anything on this plane. Now I only want to be attached to God. But I'm not heartless. Far from it. Heck I still shed a tear when the nuns sing about Maria in the sound of music.

But you sort of make me feel I'm missing something. You may be a far more advanced being than I.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 27, 2015 08:34 am
Those were not my words, all was from the article, forgot to use quote marks. Also 'processed' makes a lot of sense to me, since I use it a lot in programming work.

I think I'm just different. I don't play the relationship game like everyone else. I've never felt a real attachment to anyone. I don't get really "close". Which I think now is a good thing, I don't want to be attached to anything. I don't even like my name, never have, something less to be attached to. I don't have a problem letting go of anything on this plane. Now I only want to be attached to God. But I'm not heartless. Far from it. Heck I still shed a tear when the nuns sing about Maria in the sound of music.

But you sort of make me feel I'm missing something. You may be a far more advanced being than I.


May I aspire to the quality you exemplify; humility


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SpiritImage on Jul 27, 2015 06:37 pm
I might've came off wrong, sorry. Typing for me isn't the best form of communication.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 02, 2016 10:52 pm
i just read about karma we create in this life-kriyamana karma and karma we have created in other lives-sanchita karma. It seems much more unlikely that we will create very difficult karma for ourselves in this life if we accept and follow the gurus guidance. For the most part we are working out karma from the distant past-kriyamana karma. We can see visible evidence of the Gurus presence when we have called on it and follow it. There is also Prarabdha karma. It is that portion of the past karma which is responsible for the present body we inhabit.

1. Sanchita Karmas are accumulated works

2. Prarabdha Karmas are ripe or fructuous (fructus) actions

3. Kriyamana or Agami Karmas are current works

i have attended services in the presence of Amma and SFR monastics that were helpful and designed to burn off karma. We can also practice techniques that are used to help eliminate our karma so that by the power of these techniques and the Gurus grace we do not have to go thru as much but can travel the path to enlightenment much faster.


Title: Have u noticed?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 02, 2016 06:30 am
Have u noticed the karma u r experiencing is much different then those around u? It often seems as though those who r on the spiritual path r experiencing a very different type of karma that opens them up further towards spiritual evolution. Evolution is hastened by the practice of meditation and spiritual principles. Continued regular practice of spiritual techniques like meditation brings more and more soul awareness and a deepening awareness of the trappings of this material existence.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 27, 2016 08:19 pm
Why is it that I keep doing things that are not good for me? Amma says that when we get 🔥 by a fire we experience the immediate results of that burn. That is why we choose not to put our hand in fire again. Yet usually there is a delay between our actions and their results. That is why we  continue to do what is wrong for ourselves. That is y it important to always think twice before we talk and act. The results of our actions may take place much later and we experience them from different people then we instigated the action towards.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 28, 2016 04:37 am
...'usually there is a delay between our actions and their results. That is why we  continue to do what is wrong for ourselves. That is y it important to always think twice before we talk and act. The results of our actions may take place much later and we experience them from different people then we instigated the action towards.'

Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.

Lot of watchen' to do!


If you have unprocessed relationships, it's because you're still plugged in, or connected to someone, and they are not connected to you. They have hurt you, so there's a Karma there, but the Karma is always with yourself. It's not with the world. The Karma center is inside you. The only way you can make a peace with that person that hurt you, is to make a piece with yourself. When you do that it's clear, it's that simple.

http://www.radioastrology.com/TFG/KarmaRel.htm

Disclaimer: I don't know if this person is phony or not

SI it is not always easy to make peace with ourselves. If we can forgive others perhaps we can also forgive ourselves for what we have made ourselves into from our past. Does that make sense? Thanks for the link and thoughts provided here! Seeing it in context sheds a bit more lite on the subject;

"The definition of Karma clear is not someone that is without Karma. It deals with being clear of past relationships and being able to process new ones. Those individuals that say, "Oh yes, we're divorced, we've recently broken up, and we're not in love anymore," are contradiction in terms. An unprocessed relationship is one that's not been dealt with or cleared out of one's life. Divorce or separation doesn't mean the relationship is over, because metaphysically speaking a relationship is bonded at many levels."


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 28, 2016 07:34 am
Some are just more attached than others.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 28, 2016 10:14 am
Some are just more attached than others.

Tell me SI is it attachment or is it that some people just never forget what they meant when they said 'i love you'. Some people know when they have recognized the soul in another. Some people refuse to dwell on the negativity in others. Some people see a purpose in all life's unfolding dramas. Some people accept that things have changed but will never relinquish the love they have had and keep it as a treasured memory they have shared with another soul. Though people and times change and we must all adjust to changing times and conditions; it is possible to still have that love for others and remain true and kind to that memory however lost and gone it may appear. Our human concept and understanding of love is constantly growing and expanding. We are a witness of love in all our encounters and if we remain loving and forgiving about ourselves and others and are receptive to changing our attitudes about love we can can actually be love ourselves.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 28, 2016 11:42 am
If we live in terms of right and wrong we aren't free. It comes out of fear of consequences and desire for rewards of some kind.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 28, 2016 03:07 pm
If we live in terms of right and wrong we aren't free. It comes out of fear of consequences and desire for rewards of some kind.

i cannot respond for others but for me. i do not have a sense of right and wrong. Perhaps my karma is just much more complex then that. All opposites and contrasts that some people simplify and have in a code of ethics seem rather childish because there r so many exceptions and both parties r usually involved in karma. i am more influenced by vibration and how it affects me. i make choices based on consciousness. How my consciousness is being influenced by those that i draw in my sphere of karmic vibration. If their energy and choices seem to affect me adversely there is a trend away from that energy. If it reinforces love, kindness and spirituality i am attracted to it. Absolutes and dualistic thinking have become more of a thing of the past. Rewards and consequences seem as though they r out of place and represent the results of time. We can only make the best of now and let the results take care of themselves.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 28, 2016 05:00 pm
Yeah, same here.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 28, 2016 09:13 pm
Some are just more attached than others.

Tell me SI is it attachment or is it that some people just never forget what they meant when they said 'i love you'. Some people know when they have recognized the soul in another. Some people refuse to dwell on the negativity in others. Some people see a purpose in all life's unfolding dramas. Some people accept that things have changed but will never relinquish the love they have had and keep it as a treasured memory they have shared with another soul. Though people and times change and we must all adjust to changing times and conditions; it is possible to still have that love for others and remain true and kind to that memory however lost and gone it may appear. Our human concept and understanding of love is constantly growing and expanding. We are a witness of love in all our encounters and if we remain loving and forgiving about ourselves and others and are receptive to changing our attitudes about love we can can actually be love ourselves.

It is what it is for different spirits.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: tides2dust on Jun 29, 2016 05:44 am
i do not necessarily believe in karma or that is to say, i do not hold it in a regard that is to be praised and analyzed...


if it is what is is, then what does karma matter  ???

i don't think most people are trying to create an unpleasant vibration for themselves... ???

being unaware, is just a part of growing up.... ??? misery is normal ..... happiness is normal . .. . .


there's no need to be against it or for it....



Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 05:17 pm
I agree dragonpie. It's pointless to think analyze karma.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 29, 2016 07:35 pm
I agree dragonpie. It's pointless to think analyze karma.


The main point is that we get back what we put out many if not most of the 🌎 does not believe this. If karma is true then we definitely should be careful about our actions. If it is not our attitudes may b very different about our actions. When we analyze what we are receiving from others it gives a fair indication of what we have given out. In this sense we can improve ourselves having such an awareness.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 08:19 pm
Being careful about your actions in fear of karma is certainly an ego-centric activity. I doubt whether one needs to believe in karma at all. It seems to veer toward superstition. But I think anyone can be conscious of the effects of their actions on others and can see immediately how that action will create a harmful or painfull situation for oneself. It is not theoretical at that point, but observable. This is the only level of karma I really have patience to hear about, not the theoretical superstitious force that is for all we know just a hindu myth/superstition.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 08:21 pm
even good karma is a trap


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 08:23 pm
If you destroy your environment, you'll also die. That's the kind of karma I readily accept. The other is for me, theoretical. It may be so, but it also may be that Jesus created a hurricane. I don't want to hear about it.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 29, 2016 09:00 pm
Being careful about your actions in fear of karma is certainly an ego-centric activity. I doubt whether one needs to believe in karma at all. It seems to veer toward superstition. But I think anyone can be conscious of the effects of their actions on others and can see immediately how that action will create a harmful or painfull situation for oneself. It is not theoretical at that point, but observable. This is the only level of karma I really have patience to hear about, not the theoretical superstitious force that is for all we know just a hindu myth/superstition.
Why is it that I keep doing things that are not good for me? Amma says that when we get 🔥 by a fire we experience the immediate results of that burn. That is why we choose not to put our hand in fire again. Yet usually there is a delay between our actions and their results. That is why we  continue to do what is wrong for ourselves. That is y it is important to always think twice before we talk and act. The results of our actions may take place much later and we experience them from different people then we instigated the action towards.
Many people rape others kill others and torture others. They see 👀 what they r doing yet have no  conscious about the act that was done. However using your logic they have no karma. It is just a superstition. Rite? There may be no justice for the abused and mistreated and there is no reward for kindness and consideration. Karma is a myth. Rite? We must recognize somehow that what we do does have its effects on ourselves. Thus we experience karma. If u choose not to believe it.....it is your prerogative. You may believe or not believe as u wish.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 09:18 pm
No


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 09:24 pm
If god punishes someone for it in their next life, it is not fair, because they would not remember what they were being punished for. They have no way to make a connection between what they apparently did wrong and the punishment therefore effectively making their punishment frivolous and absurd.

That form of karma suffers as many ethical problems as the one that sends a person to hell for eternity. Logically, no act done within time could need an eternal punishment. The theologians had to grapple with that one. Hindu theories suffer from the same types of logical absurdities as I just pointed out.

Karma seems to me to be cause and effect, in eastern garb with their holistic way of thinking which I agree with.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 09:26 pm
If karma punishes people for things they can't remember doing, is it not a frivolous form of revenge?


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 09:27 pm
If a parent punishes a child without him knowing why he is being punished, it is called child abuse.

If a person punishes their pet when the pet can make no connection to what it did wrong, we want to call PETA.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 09:34 pm
When things are done that bring pain and suffering to a people, everyone shares that pain and suffering. Whatever is done to one ripples through the thought stream in the form of fear, depression, and heaviness. That is the karma I believe in, and it's observable not a fantasy theory.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 09:35 pm
There is no right or wrong, there is only harmony and imbalance.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 29, 2016 09:55 pm
Do you believe and trust in things that have no proof?


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 10:04 pm
Do you believe and trust in things that have no proof?

not if I can help it


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 10:06 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioPa1URjZ_Y


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 10:08 pm
That seems like gullibility and self-deception, SI.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 29, 2016 11:11 pm
When things are done that bring pain and suffering to a people, everyone shares that pain and suffering. Whatever is done to one ripples through the thought stream in the form of fear, depression, and heaviness. That is the karma I believe in, and it's observable not a fantasy theory.
Belief has always been a barrier to insight.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 29, 2016 11:30 pm
SI, what do you think about what Krishna says here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCPaWC_KSIk


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 30, 2016 12:40 am
When things are done that bring pain and suffering to a people, everyone shares that pain and suffering. Whatever is done to one ripples through the thought stream in the form of fear, depression, and heaviness. That is the karma I believe in, and it's observable not a fantasy theory.
Belief has always been a barrier to insight.
Q:What about people who don’t believe in karma?

A:Karma is a fundamental mechanism of our existence. It applies to everyone, regardless of belief. Anyone can understand the reasonableness of karma, and all great spiritual authorities have taught the principle of karma: that there are reactions to our actions. In the Bible, for example, we find the statement of Jesus Christ: “As you sow, so shall you reap.”http://www.krishna.com/law-karma


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 30, 2016 02:46 am
SI, what do you think about what Krishna says here?

You believe there was Krishna yet have no proof?


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 30, 2016 02:46 am
That seems like gullibility and self-deception, SI.

What does?


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 30, 2016 02:48 am
Do you believe and trust in things that have no proof?

not if I can help it

Then you do not believe in a God?


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 30, 2016 02:57 am
mmmm not really, not a personal god...i think we have created god not vice versa. even if there were a god somewhere it would not do to believe in him just because. this existence is profound and unbelievable enough, godly enough, without needing to invent gods. god is a psychological projection, a really big self. but this universe is divine. one has to simply open hisv eyes and your jaw drops.

do you believe in santa?


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 30, 2016 02:59 am
 :'(
SI, what do you think about what Krishna says here?

You believe there was Krishna yet have no proof?

lol


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 30, 2016 03:25 am
Whatever works for you, but no one tells me what I need.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 30, 2016 03:31 am
ha!!!!

No one tells him


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 30, 2016 03:51 am
You know to be honest with you, I feel like the more we exchange posts the more it feels like a circular discussion leading to 0.

I have been irritable lately and today, so maybe that's it.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 30, 2016 04:02 am
 :)


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 30, 2016 06:03 am
You know to be honest with you, I feel like the more we exchange posts the more it feels like a circular discussion leading to 0.

I have been irritable lately and today, so maybe that's it.

I am not sure if it really is that SI. It may b something within....   It tells u you've gotten off track. It is nothing personal just something to be aware of. The mind has many many circuitous pathways. Sometimes we find ourselves exercising mental gymnastics in a crossroad puzzle that amounts to a labyrinth of frustration. At a certain point that recognition dawns on us and we r irritable that we have wasted the time. In r practice there is a way to get out of the mind rather then led into it. When we recognize this we also recognize how many people in the world 🌎 live in their own heads.

Yes most of us do it including myself... but some people r so involved in it that it can give u  a head ache. When u experience that mental vibration coming from others at times u have to exercise detachment...free yourself of this heavy burden that ties us in knots of a mental quagmire.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 30, 2016 06:19 am
Yes most of us do it including myself... but some people r so involved in it that it can give u  a head ache. When u experience that mental vibration coming from others at times u have to exercise detachment...free yourself of this heavy burden that ties us in knots of a mental quagmire.

And yes I strive to be detached, in fact it comes naturally, but you know, I always fall for it now and then.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 30, 2016 06:22 am
ha!!!!

No one tells him

You deleted a post that I replied to, and left mine there, which is now out of context.

Look guys, if you're going to say something, just say it, dont pussyfoot around and change your mind, K?


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: SI on Jun 30, 2016 06:24 am
I am not sure if it really is that SI. It may b something within....   It tells u you've gotten off track. It is nothing personal just something to be aware of. The mind has many many circuitous pathways.

I do not agree with you. But that's how we are on this little forum.



Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jun 30, 2016 11:01 am
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Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 30, 2016 02:06 pm
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No expletives please...even if u r kidding. It isn't friendly and even if in jest or to emphasize a point it could b easily taken the wrong way.

Thanks

Steve Hydonus


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 30, 2016 04:52 pm
I am not sure if it really is that SI. It may b something within....   It tells u you've gotten off track. It is nothing personal just something to be aware of. The mind has many many circuitous pathways.

I do not agree with you. But that's how we are on this little forum.



Only u really know what's going on in your head....I just can tell u it reminded me of what has happened at times in my own.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jul 01, 2016 06:29 am
I'm a jerk


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 01, 2016 08:21 am
I'm a jerk

Without forgiveness for ourselves and others we remain stuck and unable to move on. i've been there myself. My mind often tortures itself with repetitive thoughts. When this happens it is is difficult to act from a center of spontaneous kindness. Obsessive thought patterns are a result of dwelling on things morosely. That is what i am finding. For me it is important to break thru these thought patterns.

It is possible we can make our routine mechanical and like  drudgery. It doesn't hurt to explore different patterns from time to time otherwise we may react in ways that cause disruption in relationships. It may b an unconscious message to us and a wake ⏰ up call.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 01, 2016 08:28 pm
All our actions should bring joy 😂😂 and happiness to others because all our actions come back to us.~Amma


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 03, 2016 10:34 am
If a parent punishes a child without him knowing why he is being punished, it is called child abuse.

If a person punishes their pet when the pet can make no connection to what it did wrong, we want to call PETA.

Consider the fact that many times we have punished others and they did not realize what the punishment was for. There r people who call PETA and the authorities falsely accusing others for child abuse. They will also experience the results of their actions even though it may not b immediate or even in this life. When we have it happen to us it is much more likely that we would not want to do it to someone else. Those who do not believe in karma r much more likely to react by causing the same suffering to others. In fact people punish others knowingly and we often do not know why it is happening. It has happened many times in my life. However i never saw the results of their actions... only the irrational and unreasonable behavior they precipitated. As a matter of past recollection there were many times when people took actions on this forum that no one has any idea why they were inflicted on others and no justification could b found for their irrational behavior. Do we see punishment for such actions? It is not for you or me to mete out immediate punishment and it is certain that God has not. We r rather here to promote understanding. If we have God's grace that understanding is eventually forthcoming.

If a parent punishes a child or a pet that can make no connection with what it did wrong suddenly we are placed in situations where we too can make no connection with what has been done. Once a cop drove right in front of me as i was passing him and he drove into my lane and drove me off into the meridian. He told me he could have given me a ticket for such an action that i presumably incurred on him. i had to pay for the towing bill of my van stuck in the meridian. Now i could have thought there is no justice. But instead i recognize the law of karma and often see it in action. To have an immediate return of all our actions as they occur would set up creation quite a bit differently. There r just not enough cops around to see us in all our actions and even the ones that r-- they may not mete out justice but rather injustice. What does interest me is the fact that the return of actions perpetrated on a master is immediate. In this sense justice is satisfied so if we choose to be a Master your views will be honored.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jul 04, 2016 06:48 pm
Sorry, but no.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 04, 2016 07:52 pm
Sorry, but no.

Believe what u like. Or is it that u know? Your replies would surely suggest it. People usually discuss.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: kingfisher111 on Jul 05, 2016 02:35 am
Karma are lessons

That's the description of it that resonates with me at least

If a Saint or Master is incarnated, they are in a unique position to know that what happens to their ego or body is not the True Self

They have no more "lessons to learn", they are already in a state of Oneness, beyond Matter and Mind, which we might experience occasionally while meditating or during some other transcendental moment/state, briefly...


The lessons of Karma are our greatest gifts in a Life I think.  The times when everything is "exactly how we want it", only teaches us sleep and, probably, that there is always more the Mind will want...




Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jul 05, 2016 02:55 am
There are no lessons to learn. All the "lessons" are for a mentally frabricated phantom self.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jul 05, 2016 02:58 am
There is no individual spiritual evolution, no hierarchy, no lessons being learned over time, no accumulation of brownie points...

Ramana said, "A time will come when you have to forget everything you've learned".


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jul 05, 2016 03:07 am
Karma is cause and effect; the interplay of physical and psychological energies within the phenomenal world.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 05, 2016 05:49 am
There is no individual spiritual evolution, no hierarchy, no lessons being learned over time, no accumulation of brownie points...

Ramana said, "A time will come when you have to forget everything you've learned".

Can't answer for u but I'm sure glad I learned a few lessons over time and along the way...hate to repeat the same mistakes. There r people that seem to learn nothing. They never change for the better....I tend to avoid them.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jul 05, 2016 06:55 am
There are lessons we learn in this life, true. Like lock your door when you go out. But what is the point of lessons carrying over to another unrelated life? What is the lessons you learned in your last life? One of the lessons is that there are no lessons. Life just happens as it does. If you think you need to learn lessons, then they will be never ending.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 05, 2016 02:48 pm
There are lessons we learn in this life, true. Like lock your door when you go out...... What is the lessons you learned in your last life? One of the lessons is that there are no lessons.

So you are saying  that what u learned in a last life is that there r no lessons. That is not what I learned.  Also u say there r no lessons we learn over time. Now u say that there r lessons to b learned over time; yet before u said there were not. It is very difficult to follow u when u change views from one post to another.

Tell me what u experienced in your mothers womb for 9 months? What did you experience while sleeping last nite?

There are no lessons to learn. All the "lessons" are for a mentally frabricated phantom self.

There is no individual spiritual evolution, no hierarchy, no lessons being learned over time......


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: kingfisher111 on Jul 05, 2016 09:22 pm

Now u say that there r lessons to b learned over time; yet before u said there were not. It is very difficult to follow u when u change views from one post to another.



I think what grasshopper is saying, is that all lessons eventually lead to a place where we know there are no lessons, only perfection.

Grasshopper has hopped to the top of a very high mountain, and though he lives among the blades of grass like the rest of us, he is trying to communicate the truth he saw up there.

The greatest Truths are perplexing paradoxes when you try to make sense of them, I think, or they are so simple, they leave nothing to be said.


If there are no lessons to learn, and none we are still in the process of learning, what the heck would we have to talk about?? LOL ;D


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 05, 2016 11:43 pm

If there are no lessons to learn, and none we are still in the process of learning, what the heck would we have to talk about?? LOL ;D

Judging from my contact with Master's; They have much more to talk about then we would when we r in the process of learning. Why? Because there is the ability to know what they r talking about. Whereas with us; we may know very little about what we r talking about.  :-[


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ding dong on Jul 06, 2016 06:05 am
Well, Steve you are so patient with my posts which may contradict your beliefs and I appreciate that about you. Many people would simply remove me from the forum but not you.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 06, 2016 02:14 pm
Well, Steve you are so patient with my posts which may contradict your beliefs and I appreciate that about you. Many people would simply remove me from the forum but not you.

There so many different people with so many different ways of approaching life. If we start suppressing their views we r no better then autocratic governments.. If i get too rigid in my views... I ask myself how would an enlightened being respond to others. When I do not know it is best to remain flexible and open to  new possibilities.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Bonnie and Bobby Barnicle on Jul 10, 2016 03:19 am

Tandem meditation has quite a lot of kinetic value it produces ELECTROLYSIS which removes much unwanted decomposition of rotting karma. The rancid smell u may occasionally experience is a result of instant results. I would suggest incense to mask the dispersing air vapors.

Barnie (Bobby) Barnicle


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 10, 2016 02:06 pm

Tandem meditation has quite a lot of kinetic value it produces ELECTROLYSIS which removes much unwanted decomposition of rotting karma. The rancid smell u may occasionally experience is a result of instant results. I would suggest incense to mask the dispersing air vapors.

Barnie (Bobby) Barnicle


In a pinch i would suggest various various essential oils. For instance Spearmint on the nose. It sounds like u may have to work on the emulsification process.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 20, 2016 08:58 pm
Karma are lessons

That's the description of it that resonates with me at least

If a Saint or Master is incarnated, they are in a unique position to know that what happens to their ego or body is not the True Self

They have no more "lessons to learn", they are already in a state of Oneness, beyond Matter and Mind, which we might experience occasionally while meditating or during some other transcendental moment/state, briefly...


The lessons of Karma are our greatest gifts in a Life I think.  The times when everything is "exactly how we want it", only teaches us sleep and, probably, that there is always more the Mind will want...


Art; some of us have been fortunate in life to have been slowed down in life a lot. It was like a hand of blessing that showed how foolish we have been. It is much better to have this disciplining hand that was put up and slowed all our movements then to go on chasing after endless desires; Somewhat like most of the bees never satisfied with one flower; this life is forever addictive. Some of us, by grace, are wrenched out of this poisonous addiction.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 12, 2019 05:31 am
Why would anyone want to take a risk with their own behavior once they totally understand the significance of this law?


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: tides2dust on Jan 12, 2019 07:32 am
Thank you for resurrecting this thread, it was so nice reading through it again and seeing older members posting. I miss you guys if you're out there, we have come a long way over the years- this thread shows some change in one another and shows something beautiful about us all. I feel the sincerity in the seekers, you, the members. We've had some differences but coming back years later and seeing these moments of sharing our thoughts about life, sharing aspects of ourselves, it's a real pleasure. Steve I'm sorry we had such a spill over politics. SI, I miss your presence. Art, it would have been nice getting to know you. Brock, Namaste... All of you at the portal are in my prayers today.

Steve, concerning belief. Isn't it interesting how much a belief can change in the course of just a few years? Or maybe these were just opinions and idea's that have yet to culminate into belief...? Given the immense history behind Karma and the overwhelming amount of knowledge passed down to us form the golden ages your question is one that should be considered time and time again for any devotee. You have my attention, Life! Here's to the journey! May God be revealed to us and may we be in Peace during our final moments here as the fragments we are now.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: kingfisher111 on Mar 20, 2019 12:00 am
Thank you for resurrecting this thread, it was so nice reading through it again and seeing older members posting. I miss you guys if you're out there, we have come a long way over the years- this thread shows some change in one another and shows something beautiful about us all. I feel the sincerity in the seekers, you, the members. We've had some differences but coming back years later and seeing these moments of sharing our thoughts about life, sharing aspects of ourselves, it's a real pleasure. Steve I'm sorry we had such a spill over politics. SI, I miss your presence. Art, it would have been nice getting to know you. Brock, Namaste... All of you at the portal are in my prayers today.

Steve, concerning belief. Isn't it interesting how much a belief can change in the course of just a few years? Or maybe these were just opinions and idea's that have yet to culminate into belief...? Given the immense history behind Karma and the overwhelming amount of knowledge passed down to us form the golden ages your question is one that should be considered time and time again for any devotee. You have my attention, Life! Here's to the journey! May God be revealed to us and may we be in Peace during our final moments here as the fragments we are now.

Beautiful post Eric!  Maybe we will get to know each other better yet (:

Here's a great video on Karma and Vedanta I just saw yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJMqULiDtOM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2n517EB74fTTs4gT5NiSTDTpw8i0slBa9JG1ZxMRuVjplydJqN_wEEW9M


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: tides2dust on Mar 20, 2019 06:35 am
Just an awesome video. I am beginning to understand why the mystics revere the law of nature and similarly acknowledge the spirit manifest within and without.
"In the womb of Mother Nature, Spirit gives birth to creation." -Yogananda
Aum, Tat, Sat...
"No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -John 14:6
Really liked this guys energy and the story of the swami ready to stick his hand in the fire.


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 22, 2019 08:03 pm
How people treat you is Their karma how you Repeat it is yours


Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 13, 2019 09:45 am
Amma was deeply affected by the profound suffering she witnessed. According to Hinduism, the suffering of the individual is due to his or her own karma — the results of actions performed in the past. Amma accepted this concept, but she refused to accept it as a justification for inaction. Amma contemplated the principle of karma until she revealed an even more profound truth, asking a question she continues to ask each of us today. “If it is one man’s karma to suffer, isn’t it our dharma (duty) to help ease his suffering and pain?”