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Title: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 29, 2013 01:27 pm
Love

How do we know we are in love? How do we find love? Is love between humans only temporary? How many of you have experienced love?


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 30, 2013 07:39 am
i believe that God is showing us love thru the cultivation of our friendships here on this forum.

steve


Title: Re: Love
Post by: tides2dust on Dec 31, 2013 03:26 am
And now to sound the horn of contradiction...
Love is something we Know. Intuitively we are aware of Love and Recognize Love as One and as Many. Strangely Love is hard to describe. And Yet I am reminded of an excerpt where this Love is defined and poetically described from the mouths of children as matter of fact- And as a viewer you can't help but Feel their Words and See them in your Minds eye as True.
Love is Enduring yet our Ability to Express Love is Wavering. 
Or Maybe My IDEA of Love is Completely off Base. Many Questions that I find Difficult to answer. I appreciate your view of Love and the Level of love you're describing from your experience.

Thank you. G2g because of Work.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 31, 2013 05:14 am
And now to sound the horn of contradiction...
Love is something we Know. Intuitively we are aware of Love and Recognize Love as One and as Many. Strangely Love is hard to describe. And Yet I am reminded of an excerpt where this Love is defined and poetically described from the mouths of children as matter of fact- And as a viewer you can't help but Feel their Words and See them in your Minds eye as True.
Love is Enduring yet our Ability to Express Love is Wavering. 
Or Maybe My IDEA of Love is Completely off Base. Many Questions that I find Difficult to answer. I appreciate your view of Love and the Level of love you're describing from your experience.

Thank you. G2g because of Work.

No contradiction my friend just your unique view on things. Who wouldn't find it difficult to answer save those who are aware of it. Isn't Love  what we all are yet how to perceive it and express it? It comes in glimpses and at various times in our lives. When we keep our interest and desire for it.  It returns as a tease from God. As if to say: "Look at the big prize ahead. What i give I take away." Perhaps it is because we reach for the dangling toys along the way. But deep down we all crave for that opening of the heart. Once tasted the nector is sought after for life.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 31, 2013 01:14 pm
And now to sound the horn of contradiction...
Love is something we Know. Intuitively we are aware of Love and Recognize Love on a Different Level. Strangely that Level is hard to describe. And Yet I am reminded of an excerpt where this Love is defined and poetically described from the mouths of children as matter of fact- And as a viewer you can't help but Feel their Words and See them in your Minds eye as True.
Love is Enduring yet our Ability to Express Love is Wavering. 
Some people have a great capacity to love. You are drawn to them because of their ability to express love. i have friends like this. i am drawn to them because of their ability to show and express love. Sometimes behind the simple childlike expressions of others we feel their need and ability to love. i have met someone that actually opened my heart chakra. What an experience. Probably you have stood in the presence of someone that had a strong magnetic pull on you. Where does this come from?

Some of us have more ability to express and give love. What makes us confident about our ability to give and receive love? We all have the capacity to love. Yet some of us are more in contact with love. Some of can give it and receive it. Others find it much more difficult.

When can we be confident about our ability to give and receive love?


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 01, 2014 05:20 am
It seems to me that there are different depths and degrees of love. I have felt love towards various people in my life. Although it quite often passes I still believe there was an element of truth to those feelings and that I was shown something very beautiful about life. I also have experienced the love of God. That love that some of us may have when our heart chakra starts expanding. But this too can pass until you are in one of the permanent states of love associated with Masters and Saints.

i think many of us on the spiritual path have an incredible longing for love and that is why we are here. We have found that superficial forms of love are no longer satisfying for us. We are going for the One.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 02, 2014 09:22 pm
Sometimes we think of  true love verses untrue love but it might be better to think of the degree of love involved. These are only words to describe something rather intangible. i would not say that someone has no love because they do not express it and therefore the love they professed is untrue. Rather i would say that their capacity to give love is shallow when placed under the scrutiny of worldly challenges. There are many degrees of love and many kinds of love we can express.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 03, 2014 08:55 pm
There are many aspects of love. Yet I really can't see it as love is off or on. I suppose you might say that I never forget about those I have loved. So I never turned the light off. They might have. So I understand the quote by Master "Human friends never leave us if we don't want them to" This was taken out of context so I am not sure what he said before it or after it or where it came from. But we must also remember that we are not the only ones having a choice in the matter. If someone does not want to have anything to do with us there is not much we can do but pray.

I believe that many of us often forget that life is not a Black/White situation~all or nothing. In the same way love has many levels. Some shallow... some deep and lasting. I have walked up the staircase with others who have loved me and I have found their love was not as they proclaimed. Yet I can still look up and see the potential involved and take a few steps back down, if need be, in our aspirations to express love together. Yet knowledge is rarely, if ever, absolute. We find that we merely develop larger paradigms as we expand our awareness. These breakthroughs in understanding include the knowledge of our own and others. Love only expands. It rarely contracts. We are often forced to expand our understanding through our relationships with others.

Love does appear to be something that happens. Yet music is also. Yet vary few of us can play music and make it happen without practice. In the same way we have to practice the attributes of love to have them spontaneously manifest. We do this by having examples such as Masters and practicing the techniques and qualities they have given us and that they have been examples for. Jesus said "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends." What an example to follow! No doubt there are those who have taken us as high as they could on that staircase of love. They have showed us much and they too might have stepped back with us but still saw our potential ahead.

It seems to me that one of the qualities of love is reaching out to others. This is something i have been practicing. We may not always experience love but we can always practice being loving in our relationships with everything and everybody.  Some people you reach your hands out to - they only cut them off. This is the case that Jesus faced. But every act of love is not lost forever. There are some things we never loose permanently. Our spiritual practice is never lost. It is true though that there is a time for everything including love. Yet for every beautiful thing in life there is the thorny side as well. This doesn't stop me. It only makes me aware of the challenges and the limitations we face in ourselves and others as well as learning about the most precious quality we can manifest and express: Love.

Steve Hydonus


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 04, 2014 04:16 am
Many of us on the spiritual path grew up different and with quite different experiences than those around us since we have been so close to that other realm some of us call home.  It might have taken a while to really get accustomed to this place again. It will never feel completely comfortable for most of us. As an example I was even a celibate in my 20's. Perhaps it has something to do with past life episodes. Later in life we just look for balance and appreciate the physical expression of love also on our way to its expression in higher forms which others here and myself also have experienced. i appreciate what God gives and takes away. This is something i have been working on.

There must be an element of astral remembrance associated with love. I think it also comes from past life association. I have met many people who have past life recollections and Deja Vu experiences when love 'strikes us'. The intensity of such encounters opens us to vistas we only can imagine till they actually occur. I have been changed immensely by encounters with love both by spiritual experiences and experiences with other human beings. There is nothing more wonderful to talk about or remember than love. We bring that vibration back to us. Besides it is what we really are.  



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 06, 2014 05:29 am
When you open up completely and empty out love just pours in.  i have felt it rite in the heart chakra. There's nothin'like it and now i want it like nothin'else. If i seem like the tin man it is only because i went to oz also but i did find it, even though it wasn't in the land of oz. Divine Mother doesn't leave you empty handed. She is aware of all our efforts and helps us get beyond them. i just have to keep with the program.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 10, 2014 05:08 pm
Love is a noun associated with words that require action. Love is also a verb because it requires action both internally in thought and
meditation and externally in action and service.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: brock on Feb 25, 2014 04:28 am
I wrote this today, not in response to this thread, but I thought it fit here. The ideas aren't new or original, but here it is.

"Love is a verb, not a noun. Love is not trying to catch others, as if to frame them and hang them on the wall. Love never comes to a full stop, and it is not a one time act. It is an appreciation of a person, moment to moment. It is a stream of mutually shared moments. Love brings us into the moment and quiets our minds. It gets us out of our heads. Love is not about possessing someone, but about sharing moments together and making the most out of them. Love is not about impressing the other person with how perfect you are, but about allowing them to see your vulnerable and human side. Love reminds us that life is truly a sacred thing, and not merely a weary struggle for survival."

I wrote this mainly as a message for my dad who, after the divorces, is hoping to find love again.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 30, 2014 01:18 am
I wrote this today, not in response to this thread, but I thought it fit here. The ideas aren't new or original, but here it is.

"Love is a verb, not a noun. Love is not trying to catch others, as if to frame them and hang them on the wall. Love never comes to a full stop, and it is not a one time act. It is an appreciation of a person, moment to moment. It is a stream of mutually shared moments. Love brings us into the moment and quiets our minds. It gets us out of our heads. Love is not about possessing someone, but about sharing moments together and making the most out of them. Love is not about impressing the other person with how perfect you are, but about allowing them to see your vulnerable and human side. Love reminds us that life is truly a sacred thing, and not merely a weary struggle for survival."

I wrote this mainly as a message for my dad who, after the divorces, is hoping to find love again.

Love, by its very nature, is unworldly, and it is for this reason rather than its rarity that it is not only apolitical but antipolitical, perhaps the most powerful of all antipolitical human forces.

Hannah Arendt


Title: Re: Love
Post by: brock on Mar 31, 2014 12:41 am
"With Maharaji there was nobody there; there was just love. I used to see him turn into a mountain, like Shiva, the pure absolute, but then I would feel this intense love. He is unconditional love, but itís impersonal. It wasnít him loving me; it was him being love. I turned it into something interpersonal, but it wasnít." - Ram Dass


Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Apr 06, 2014 09:51 pm
A few years ago, someone very close to me was hurt by two people I knew and loved.  It was a very difficult time, to experience such betrayal of friendship, to be there to help the one I was still close to.

It was a turning point for me, because I was flooded with every such strong emotions for a month.  Anger, sadness, betrayal mostly.  I had made a decision prior to this painful event to make it a life goal to "be able to love everyone".  I knew the hardest ones to love would for me would be people who were violent towards others and people who abuse positions of power and commit different types of abuse to people on a mass scale. 

This time tested my ability to still love those who hurt someone close to me, who once called me their "best friend".

I think I have been slowly learning in this life where it is healthy to put my earthly love and where it is best to "love from afar", afterall, Love knows no bounds of Time or Space.  It is the essence of who and what we all are, the highest point of Spiritual beginnings and where we are all gradually awakening as individuals and as a species to be again.

Loss of love from another I was very close to and shared much of life with has always been hard for me.  I try achieve the same sense of Deep Love from afar, from gratitude, from remembering all of the good energy and lessons I learned. 

The loss of love from one who was like an antennae to God, to Divine Love, when we said "I love you" to each other and discussed deeper love of all, the loss of that person, that antennae or "frequency" to enter the Divine Love creates a strange illusion, that my own ability to connect to the Greater Love has become blocked.  I have also experienced this from a loss of a Guru (who was put in my life to help me by higher forces then he fully was, I would not call him a "true guru" but he helped me open doors), the loss of a religion which I worked for for 100 hours a week and was my full life, the loss of connection to a girl in high school who I connected with like no one else I had ever met due to tragic events.

I know Love is greater than all of these Human experiences of the loss of some "form" of love, even the ones which were focused on helping me to reach for the highest form of Love.

This is only my 2nd post.  I apologize for it being a bit unfocused.  I am exploring my own thoughts on Love as I write this.  Love has always been one of my favorite words and things to think about or meditate on or especially to express to others.  I've gone through periods of my life where I was so surrounded by love from so many sources everyday, it is overwhelmingly beautiful.  Perhaps, due to a lack of love from my father (who is now passed away), it's always been difficult for me to hold onto material forms of love, or I've always desired more love from people I'm close to than they are willing, or presently capable of giving.  I always open my heart fully to those I am close to.  I don't feel I have any reason to hold back from giving another I love all I have to give.  Overtime, I think I have been learning to only give as much as others receive, or perhaps just a bit more than they give me to see.

These great Gurus, like Neem Karoli Baba (who I love!) never seemed to need many or in many cases any words to express such powerful Love to their devotees and visitors. 

To me, right now, Love feels like an acceptance of who a soul is in this incarnation, right now.  Love feels like acceptance of everything as it is, as Life that we are all a part of, connected to.

I know I will continue to struggle with my ego's concept of what "right and wrong" love is.  What kind of love "I need", etc.  It makes me want to cry, because when I have others in my life who love me mutually I am so happy, though I have hardly ever known this state really.  I've only "been in love" with people who hurt me, said or did abusive things to me in the relationship.  This is something I want to change.  To seek others who would love me the way I love them.

Most of all, I want to feel free to focus on Divine Love of ALL.  I don't want these silly ego based concept to block my connection to that, and to ALL through that.

Neem Karoli Baba said that we must feed people, we must serve people to be closer to the Divine, which makes sense to me because I think we are All One truly, living in a beautiful state of individual expression on journey to remember this as we share our unique gifts with each other in this World, in this incarnation as all separate, infinite expressions of All.  This is how I intuitively see/feel Love when I let go, which the sacred space of this forum seems to have inspired me to do.

I want to focus on creating good things for this world and Loving/Giving to others, not on who or what part of this world is not being "fair" with me.  I know all things happen under a Divine Law we are all a part of, and everything happens for a reason.

Thank you for creating this sacred space on this website where I can write my thoughts.  Thank you for reading.

<3

also,

Miracle of Love is a book which includes many stories from different people collected by Ram Dass about his guru Neem Karoli Baba.  It's a very special book to me and has been very helpful the past year during hard times.  I recommend it to anyone.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: SpiritImage on Apr 07, 2014 06:16 am
Hello, well, that's quite a post. I know I can't seem to forget when someone close to me seems to turn on me, as it were.

But that hasn't happened for a long time now, I guess because I don't get too deep in that sense anymore, I think most people are working out their karma, and so because of that I can't let myself get too close to them in that sense, for the things they do may not be from the spirit. It's not who they really are. As a spirit driven soul, if I see others that way, all this outward earthly display is just God's play, of which I just have to play out my part.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 07, 2014 09:47 am
Yes... even when love is not returned - if you keep on loving you often find that what is returned is much different than you had expected. But I guess it goes without saying; Love is not something you can expect to know it's outcome because it directs your course and not the reverse.

A few years ago, someone very close to me was hurt by two people I knew and loved.  It was a very difficult time, to experience such betrayal of friendship, to be there to help the one I was still close to.

It was a turning point for me, because I was flooded with every such strong emotions for a month.  Anger, sadness, betrayal mostly.  I had made a decision prior to this painful event to make it a life goal to "be able to love everyone".  I knew the hardest ones to love would for me would be people who were violent towards others and people who abuse positions of power and commit different types of abuse to people on a mass scale. 

This time tested my ability to still love those who hurt someone close to me, who once called me their "best friend".

I think I have been slowly learning in this life where it is healthy to put my earthly love and where it is best to "love from afar", afterall, Love knows no bounds of Time or Space.  It is the essence of who and what we all are, the highest point of Spiritual beginnings and where we are all gradually awakening as individuals and as a species to be again.

Loss of love from another I was very close to and shared much of life with has always been hard for me.  I try achieve the same sense of Deep Love from afar, from gratitude, from remembering all of the good energy and lessons I learned. 

The loss of love from one who was like an antennae to God, to Divine Love, when we said "I love you" to each other and discussed deeper love of all, the loss of that person, that antennae or "frequency" to enter the Divine Love creates a strange illusion, that my own ability to connect to the Greater Love has become blocked.  I have also experienced this from a loss of a Guru (who was put in my life to help me by higher forces then he fully was, I would not call him a "true guru" but he helped me open doors), the loss of a religion which I worked for for 100 hours a week and was my full life, the loss of connection to a girl in high school who I connected with like no one else I had ever met due to tragic events.

I know Love is greater than all of these Human experiences of the loss of some "form" of love, even the ones which were focused on helping me to reach for the highest form of Love.

This is only my 2nd post.  I apologize for it being a bit unfocused.  I am exploring my own thoughts on Love as I write this.  Love has always been one of my favorite words and things to think about or meditate on or especially to express to others.  I've gone through periods of my life where I was so surrounded by love from so many sources everyday, it is overwhelmingly beautiful.  Perhaps, due to a lack of love from my father (who is now passed away), it's always been difficult for me to hold onto material forms of love, or I've always desired more love from people I'm close to than they are willing, or presently capable of giving.  I always open my heart fully to those I am close to.  I don't feel I have any reason to hold back from giving another I love all I have to give.  Overtime, I think I have been learning to only give as much as others receive, or perhaps just a bit more than they give me to see.

These great Gurus, like Neem Karoli Baba (who I love!) never seemed to need many or in many cases any words to express such powerful Love to their devotees and visitors. 

To me, right now, Love feels like an acceptance of who a soul is in this incarnation, right now.  Love feels like acceptance of everything as it is, as Life that we are all a part of, connected to.

I know I will continue to struggle with my ego's concept of what "right and wrong" love is.  What kind of love "I need", etc.  It makes me want to cry, because when I have others in my life who love me mutually I am so happy, though I have hardly ever known this state really.  I've only "been in love" with people who hurt me, said or did abusive things to me in the relationship.  This is something I want to change.  To seek others who would love me the way I love them.

Most of all, I want to feel free to focus on Divine Love of ALL.  I don't want these silly ego based concept to block my connection to that, and to ALL through that.

Neem Karoli Baba said that we must feed people, we must serve people to be closer to the Divine, which makes sense to me because I think we are All One truly, living in a beautiful state of individual expression on journey to remember this as we share our unique gifts with each other in this World, in this incarnation as all separate, infinite expressions of All.  This is how I intuitively see/feel Love when I let go, which the sacred space of this forum seems to have inspired me to do.

I want to focus on creating good things for this world and Loving/Giving to others, not on who or what part of this world is not being "fair" with me.  I know all things happen under a Divine Law we are all a part of, and everything happens for a reason.

Thank you for creating this sacred space on this website where I can write my thoughts.  Thank you for reading.

<3

also,

Miracle of Love is a book which includes many stories from different people collected by Ram Dass about his guru Neem Karoli Baba.  It's a very special book to me and has been very helpful the past year during hard times.  I recommend it to anyone.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 08, 2014 11:39 am
A few years ago, someone very close to me was hurt by two people I knew and loved.  It was a very difficult time, to experience such betrayal of friendship, to be there to help the one I was still close to.

It was a turning point for me, because I was flooded with every such strong emotions for a month.  Anger, sadness, betrayal mostly.  I had made a decision prior to this painful event to make it a life goal to "be able to love everyone".  I knew the hardest ones to love would for me would be people who were violent towards others and people who abuse positions of power and commit different types of abuse to people on a mass scale. 

This time tested my ability to still love those who hurt someone close to me, who once called me their "best friend".

I think I have been slowly learning in this life where it is healthy to put my earthly love and where it is best to "love from afar", afterall, Love knows no bounds of Time or Space.  It is the essence of who and what we all are, the highest point of Spiritual beginnings and where we are all gradually awakening as individuals and as a species to be again.

Loss of love from another I was very close to and shared much of life with has always been hard for me.  I try achieve the same sense of Deep Love from afar, from gratitude, from remembering all of the good energy and lessons I learned. 

The loss of love from one who was like an antennae to God, to Divine Love, when we said "I love you" to each other and discussed deeper love of all, the loss of that person, that antennae or "frequency" to enter the Divine Love creates a strange illusion, that my own ability to connect to the Greater Love has become blocked.  I have also experienced this from a loss of a Guru (who was put in my life to help me by higher forces then he fully was, I would not call him a "true guru" but he helped me open doors), the loss of a religion which I worked for for 100 hours a week and was my full life, the loss of connection to a girl in high school who I connected with like no one else I had ever met due to tragic events.

I know Love is greater than all of these Human experiences of the loss of some "form" of love, even the ones which were focused on helping me to reach for the highest form of Love.

This is only my 2nd post.  I apologize for it being a bit unfocused.  I am exploring my own thoughts on Love as I write this.  Love has always been one of my favorite words and things to think about or meditate on or especially to express to others.  I've gone through periods of my life where I was so surrounded by love from so many sources everyday, it is overwhelmingly beautiful.  Perhaps, due to a lack of love from my father (who is now passed away), it's always been difficult for me to hold onto material forms of love, or I've always desired more love from people I'm close to than they are willing, or presently capable of giving.  I always open my heart fully to those I am close to.  I don't feel I have any reason to hold back from giving another I love all I have to give.  Overtime, I think I have been learning to only give as much as others receive, or perhaps just a bit more than they give me to see.

These great Gurus, like Neem Karoli Baba (who I love!) never seemed to need many or in many cases any words to express such powerful Love to their devotees and visitors. 

To me, right now, Love feels like an acceptance of who a soul is in this incarnation, right now.  Love feels like acceptance of everything as it is, as Life that we are all a part of, connected to.

I know I will continue to struggle with my ego's concept of what "right and wrong" love is.  What kind of love "I need", etc.  It makes me want to cry, because when I have others in my life who love me mutually I am so happy, though I have hardly ever known this state really.  I've only "been in love" with people who hurt me, said or did abusive things to me in the relationship.  This is something I want to change.  To seek others who would love me the way I love them.

Most of all, I want to feel free to focus on Divine Love of ALL.  I don't want these silly ego based concept to block my connection to that, and to ALL through that.

Neem Karoli Baba said that we must feed people, we must serve people to be closer to the Divine, which makes sense to me because I think we are All One truly, living in a beautiful state of individual expression on journey to remember this as we share our unique gifts with each other in this World, in this incarnation as all separate, infinite expressions of All.  This is how I intuitively see/feel Love when I let go, which the sacred space of this forum seems to have inspired me to do.

I want to focus on creating good things for this world and Loving/Giving to others, not on who or what part of this world is not being "fair" with me.  I know all things happen under a Divine Law we are all a part of, and everything happens for a reason.

Thank you for creating this sacred space on this website where I can write my thoughts.  Thank you for reading.

<3

also,

Miracle of Love is a book which includes many stories from different people collected by Ram Dass about his guru Neem Karoli Baba.  It's a very special book to me and has been very helpful the past year during hard times.  I recommend it to anyone.

It was kind of you to reach out and express your feelings about love. In your post I find a genuine desire that is a laudable desire. The desire for love. It takes us sometime to understand the person behind their words and whether their need for love and their ability to manifest it is consistant. Love also needs the ability to express differences with others and the ability to see things from another person's point of view. I have seen that many times those seeking love only give half an effort. They have their own issues that keep them from keeping love alive. Also many of those who love only give a certain time frame to the effort and then give up or settle for less. They do not follow thru when love is still expressed to them. They expect a response they are familiar with. There are several responses to your post so it it is evident that at some level your need is being answered. Love is not always something we can expect to manifest on our terms. My hope is that in time you will recognize that others are responding to your needs and your 'block ' that you have mentioned.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Apr 10, 2014 05:22 am
Thank you Jitendra and SpiritImage for your replies.

The loss of love has been something which has challenged and guided me my whole life.  Every person I've ever been close to, other than family, has stayed a time, exchanged beautiful, deep energies and ideas with me, and then left (usually the deeper and stronger the exchange the shorter the visit on the physical plane).  Not having attachment or desire for their return is a deep lesson which I feel challenge me to the core of my being, since part of me doesn't want to let go and give up on fixing whatever caused the change from more to less spiritual interactions with the other.  To truly Love them enough to go their own way, knowing I can no longer help them or they no long want my help (or to help me), the soul intersection has had it's time.  The deeper Truth, Love and Light from this intersection continues to resonate within the body of my Soul which echoes in many ways.  My Spirit wants this energy to be at peace and to be used for the prosperity of myself and others (like the totem of the Kingfisher).

The greatest feelings I've ever felt of Love I found in mysticism, meditation, and in spiritual and charitable groups.  Due to a serious foot injury I've been unable to seek such groups for a while.  I know I will be able to walk again and to meet more loving people to share Life and stories and Love with.  I am generally a very social and loving person, so being alone, reflecting for so long has been a challenge for me, but it is all a beautiful lesson I think, to learn and to grow from!  And, funnily, has brought new friends closer into my life as others have drifted away.

You write many wise words Steve.  I've read other threads on here already where you have written things which resonate with me as true and helpful.  I wish to raise my vibration to see these truths more often and not be caught in negative emotions of grief, resentment, jealousy, etc.

Thank you for creating a safe, sacred space on this website where I can write these things.

<3


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 11, 2014 01:59 am
Thank you Jitendra and SpiritImage for your replies.

The loss of love has been something which has challenged and guided me my whole life.  Every person I've ever been close to, other than family, has stayed a time, exchanged beautiful, deep energies and ideas with me, and then left (usually the deeper and stronger the exchange the shorter the visit on the physical plane).  Not having attachment or desire for their return is a deep lesson which I feel challenge me to the core of my being, since part of me doesn't want to let go and give up on fixing whatever caused the change from more to less spiritual interactions with the other.  To truly Love them enough to go their own way, knowing I can no longer help them or they no long want my help (or to help me), the soul intersection has had it's time.  The deeper Truth, Love and Light from this intersection continues to resonate within the body of my Soul which echoes in many ways.  My Spirit wants this energy to be at peace and to be used for the prosperity of myself and others (like the totem of the Kingfisher).

The greatest feelings I've ever felt of Love I found in mysticism, meditation, and in spiritual and charitable groups.  Due to a serious foot injury I've been unable to seek such groups for a while.  I know I will be able to walk again and to meet more loving people to share Life and stories and Love with.  I am generally a very social and loving person, so being alone, reflecting for so long has been a challenge for me, but it is all a beautiful lesson I think, to learn and to grow from!  And, funnily, has brought new friends closer into my life as others have drifted away.

You write many wise words Steve.  I've read other threads on here already where you have written things which resonate with me as true and helpful.  I wish to raise my vibration to see these truths more often and not be caught in negative emotions of grief, resentment, jealousy, etc.

Thank you for creating a safe, sacred space on this website where I can write these things.

<3

You came at a good time for us and me in partcular. I am trying to shed some deep emotions created by such intersections of which you have spoken. It is not easy. We often find that we have had quite deep encounters with others and when they choose to cut off the relationship or have nothing else to do with you it is difficult for those who keep loving even though we may have to see love differently... now... and in retrospect to what may have happened.

We often find that being alone has many benefits. Being with someone else is a time to celebrate the beauty of expression of love between two people or more. But being alone... we learn how to go into the deepest depths of ourselves. We find that the love we find there is forever stored in our spiritual account. We learn to expand our love to all beings and friends become more important. We learn how to share our love beyond our small sphere and the circle around us expands. Our understanding of divine love expands beyond the personal. Other people come into our lives and help us with this expanded notion of love.

I believe that you are someone I already know and you are hiding your identity at this time.. for reasons I have yet to find out.
It is all good. Express yourself in the way you choose. This vibration that you emit... it shows longing for something that has been left behind. We only can pray for those we have loved and still love. The love we give. It may not come back in any way we expected but what we have given... what love we have given.. is sure to return in some form. We just cannot be attached to our own expectations.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 15, 2014 12:43 am
Thank you Jitendra and SpiritImage for your replies.

The loss of love has been something which has challenged and guided me my whole life.  Every person I've ever been close to, other than family, has stayed a time, exchanged beautiful, deep energies and ideas with me, and then left (usually the deeper and stronger the exchange the shorter the visit on the physical plane).  Not having attachment or desire for their return is a deep lesson which I feel challenge me to the core of my being, since part of me doesn't want to let go and give up on fixing whatever caused the change from more to less spiritual interactions with the other.  To truly Love them enough to go their own way, knowing I can no longer help them or they no long want my help (or to help me), the soul intersection has had it's time.  The deeper Truth, Love and Light from this intersection continues to resonate within the body of my Soul which echoes in many ways.  My Spirit wants this energy to be at peace and to be used for the prosperity of myself and others (like the totem of the Kingfisher).

The greatest feelings I've ever felt of Love I found in mysticism, meditation, and in spiritual and charitable groups.  Due to a serious foot injury I've been unable to seek such groups for a while.  I know I will be able to walk again and to meet more loving people to share Life and stories and Love with.  I am generally a very social and loving person, so being alone, reflecting for so long has been a challenge for me, but it is all a beautiful lesson I think, to learn and to grow from!  And, funnily, has brought new friends closer into my life as others have drifted away.

You write many wise words Steve.  I've read other threads on here already where you have written things which resonate with me as true and helpful.  I wish to raise my vibration to see these truths more often and not be caught in negative emotions of grief, resentment, jealousy, etc.

Thank you for creating a safe, sacred space on this website where I can write these things.

<3

Your thread continues to resonate with me also as it has a longing that is easy to relate to. I sincerely hope your foot injury brings you closer to us as I appreciate your thread and your coming here very much!


Title: Re: Love
Post by: brock on Apr 15, 2014 04:13 am
"Ordinary love is selfish, darkly rooted in desires and satisfactions. Divine love is without condition, without boundary, without change. The flux of the human heart is gone forever at the transfixing touch of pure love." - Sri Yukteswar


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 16, 2014 06:49 pm
Thank you Jitendra and SpiritImage for your replies.

The loss of love has been something which has challenged and guided me my whole life.  Every person I've ever been close to, other than family, has stayed a time, exchanged beautiful, deep energies and ideas with me, and then left (usually the deeper and stronger the exchange the shorter the visit...


Perhaps it is because some of them, you sent away or ignored them, the people that loved you the most.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Apr 17, 2014 12:44 am
Thank you Jitendra and SpiritImage for your replies.

The loss of love has been something which has challenged and guided me my whole life.  Every person I've ever been close to, other than family, has stayed a time, exchanged beautiful, deep energies and ideas with me, and then left (usually the deeper and stronger the exchange the shorter the visit...


Perhaps it is because some of them, you sent away or ignored them, the people that loved you the most.

Jitendra

I don't think so.  I don't think I have a habit or compulsion to sabotage relationships, but I think I have drawn many people close to me over the years who do.  I grew up with a father who was very emotionally cold, distant and left his body at an early age due to all of the mental and emotional distress he lived with, I think, which culminated in heart failure.

I have for years attracted and been attracted to people since who could be described as "damaged", and over the years, I've come to the conclusion that this is a continued desire from my childhood to "help my father" through a girl or guy, lover or friend or very close friend who shares similar negative and neurotic qualities with my Dad.  I seem to have attracted these people, some more damaged than others.  Girlfriend who cheats on me a month into the relationship, or another who relapses on drugs a month in or friend who says she's too ashamed of not being more centered to talk to me and would ignore me for months and then apologize and sound embarrassed.  Paradoxically, I also think the introduction of "damage" for many people I've been close to, gives them a special desire to awaken more than most.  This has certainly been true, and continues to be true for me.

I think this is a wavelength (needing to fix/help someone) I am growing out of.  I still love everyone I've loved with all my heart and want to remain open to their spiritual unfoldment, awakening, but to remain heartbroken by betrayal of friendship or hurt by any other mean action by another is not a very useful emotion to remain focused on.  I'm focusing on my own future, my own endeavors, my own spiritual unfoldment.  I know, the best way to truly help others is to just be oneself.  And, I know the "brief" intersection between myself and anyone else, where a deep friendship was formed and great heights were experienced together has a value which must continue to ripple, regardless of what comes after.

I've heard and/or seen from many of those I've been closest to that they "hurt those closest to them."  Whenever I feel I may have hurt or ignored someone close to me, I seek resolution and healing very quickly and have found great frustration and suffering when the other party does not want to speak or resolve a problem. 

I don't think I know you Steve.  Someone else invited me to check out this site a while ago.

I don't feel much emotional suffering now.  I'm focused on positive creation and personal growth, and always Love in the ways it currently manifests in my life.  You are right, friendship is a blessing.

I don't want to identify myself in my mind as a "victim" of someone saying mean things to me or letting me down in a big way or not being there for me.  I want to let go of all negative feelings like that and focus on love, forgiveness and gratitude for everything I have to be grateful for!

Perhaps this thread is about other things now.  To bring it back to topic...

I think Love IS forgiveness and gratitude, and without these two things deeper Love cannot be known.

I find the teachings of Neem Karoli Baba on Love and the Heart to be very insightful and to resonate as True with me.  He says it is best to not "close your heart" to anyone, including those who have caused me or others suffering, but I think it is a good idea to let go and stay away from such people, unless they sincerely want to reconnect, speak.

My injury is a beautiful experience.  At one point, one night months ago, I thought I might not survive or have done irreparable damage to myself from the "medicine" the doctor prescribed me.  In these moments of the greatest pain my body had ever felt, when I thought I might be leaving my body and my friends came to help me, I thought of the one who I considered my "best friend" who told me I was her best friend and that we would always be friends, I realized if she would not talk to me when I thought I might be dying, there is no good reason for that, so heartbreaking.  Though I survived and am now on the way to full recovery, it almost feels as though the one I had been closest to in this incarnation has died, and I've been grieving for a long time.

I now realize this is only one way to view things.  My injury is a beautiful experience and my suffering the greatest lesson, to help me know what I must let go of the most to help myself and others in this Life, which is my true goal.  I want to help this world, and I know it is an illusion to think I must have any certain individual or group of people remain close or at all in my life to do my work, to help others and to continue my own spiritual unfoldment.

I hope others can see some reflection of themselves through my words, they are honest and sincere from my own own perspective, though I know much of what they describe could also be called "illusions" or "false love."  This is what I am trying to let go of, false love and illusions, which I think my injury has given me much encouragement to do so.  Coming "close to death" has led to me re-evaluating my life deeper than ever before, and want to be fearless with my honesty about myself and towards others in any way which I think may help them. 

I think Love is letting go of all ideas of Love, and false love and illusions along with it, and opening up to the greater, infinite reality of what Love is.

I think we are Love, in our truest definition of who we are and what binds us.  God is Love.  All is Love.  We are a reflection of God.  We are Love.

Much Love

Namaste


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 17, 2014 01:36 am
Much to digest here. i believe that often our mind puts pictures together about people who come in our life and they are not always accurate. However your secrecy about who you are, where you live, what your sex is and your interests makes things difficult for others especially when you divulge so much emotional background. Without being judgemental I will venture to say that it is a very unusual way of getting to know someone. It leaves me feeling somewhat anxious yet uncertain how to respond.
I do appreciate your telling me you do not know me but still i have this feeling that somehow i do know you. It is not that i do not trust you it is just are definition of knowing one another may not be entirely the same.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Love
Post by: brock on Apr 17, 2014 01:56 am
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Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 17, 2014 08:24 am
Do you guys know each other? Come off it. Do y'all have some sort of past issues? If so quit playing games and say what you need to say. If you don't know each other then, sorry Kingfisher...
...part of a quote from Brock

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hey Brock you make it sound very difficult. Is it really? Perhaps we do make it that way.  Which can make us frustrated.  Still i am  interested. There are some similarities with my life.... something i resonate with... a sincere and open expression and need for love. You can't force someone to be more open if they do not want to be. There is a time for everything. I appreciate your view. Really I do. It's all good.

We appear to have a wonderful new member here. i just don't want to scare someone else off. Yes sometimes people can be reactive and somewhat sensitive as we have spoken about. Yet it takes all types to make the big picture.  Often i miss these types as well. Not so long ago i felt much love for a women that turned out to be that way.Yet my love didn't change. What can you do? You just learn more patience wth yourself and others.

J.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 17, 2014 09:53 pm
 
I hope others can see some

Quote from: kingfish
I hope others can see some reflection of themselves through my words, they are honest and sincere from my own own perspective, though I know much of what they describe could also be called "illusions" or "false love."  This is what I am trying to let go of, false love and illusions, which I think my injury has given me much encouragement to do so.  Coming "close to death" has led to me re-evaluating my life deeper than ever before, and want to be fearless with my honesty about myself and towards others in any way which I think may help them

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Thank you Jitendra and SpiritImage for your replies.

The loss of love has been something which has challenged and guided me my whole life.  Every person I've ever been close to, other than family, has stayed a time, exchanged beautiful, deep energies and ideas with me, and then left (usually the deeper and stronger the exchange the shorter the visit...


Perhaps it is because some of them, you sent away or ignored them, the people that loved you the most.

Jitendra

I don't think so.  I don't think I have a habit or compulsion to sabotage relationships, but I think I have drawn many people close to me over the years who do.  I grew up with a father who was very emotionally cold, distant and left his body at an early age due to all of the mental and emotional distress he lived with, I think, which culminated in heart failure.

I have for years attracted and been attracted to people since who could be described as "damaged", and over the years, I've come to the conclusion that this is a continued desire from my childhood to "help my father" through a girl or guy, lover or friend or very close friend who shares similar negative and neurotic qualities with my Dad.  I seem to have attracted these people, some more damaged than others.  Girlfriend who cheats on me a month into the relationship, or another who relapses on drugs a month in or friend who says she's too ashamed of not being more centered to talk to me and would ignore me for months and then apologize and sound embarrassed.  Paradoxically, I also think the introduction of "damage" for many people I've been close to, gives them a special desire to awaken more than most.  This has certainly been true, and continues to be true for me.

I think this is a wavelength (needing to fix/help someone) I am growing out of.  I still love everyone I've loved with all my heart and want to remain open to their spiritual unfoldment, awakening, but to remain heartbroken by betrayal of friendship or hurt by any other mean action by another is not a very useful emotion to remain focused on.  I'm focusing on my own future, my own endeavors, my own spiritual unfoldment.  I know, the best way to truly help others is to just be oneself.  And, I know the "brief" intersection between myself and anyone else, where a deep friendship was formed and great heights were experienced together has a value which must continue to ripple, regardless of what comes after.

I've heard and/or seen from many of those I've been closest to that they "hurt those closest to them."  Whenever I feel I may have hurt or ignored someone close to me, I seek resolution and healing very quickly and have found great frustration and suffering when the other party does not want to speak or resolve a problem. 

I don't think I know you Steve.  Someone else invited me to check out this site a while ago.

I don't feel much emotional suffering now.  I'm focused on positive creation and personal growth, and always Love in the ways it currently manifests in my life.  You are right, friendship is a blessing.

I don't want to identify myself in my mind as a "victim" of someone saying mean things to me or letting me down in a big way or not being there for me.  I want to let go of all negative feelings like that and focus on love, forgiveness and gratitude for everything I have to be grateful for!

Perhaps this thread is about other things now.  To bring it back to topic...

I think Love IS forgiveness and gratitude, and without these two things deeper Love cannot be known.

I find the teachings of Neem Karoli Baba on Love and the Heart to be very insightful and to resonate as True with me.  He says it is best to not "close your heart" to anyone, including those who have caused me or others suffering, but I think it is a good idea to let go and stay away from such people, unless they sincerely want to reconnect, speak.

My injury is a beautiful experience.  At one point, one night months ago, I thought I might not survive or have done irreparable damage to myself from the "medicine" the doctor prescribed me.  In these moments of the greatest pain my body had ever felt, when I thought I might be leaving my body and my friends came to help me, I thought of the one who I considered my "best friend" who told me I was her best friend and that we would always be friends, I realized if she would not talk to me when I thought I might be dying, there is no good reason for that, so heartbreaking.  Though I survived and am now on the way to full recovery, it almost feels as though the one I had been closest to in this incarnation has died, and I've been grieving for a long time.

I now realize this is only one way to view things.  My injury is a beautiful experience and my suffering the greatest lesson, to help me know what I must let go of the most to help myself and others in this Life, which is my true goal.  I want to help this world, and I know it is an illusion to think I must have any certain individual or group of people remain close or at all in my life to do my work, to help others and to continue my own spiritual unfoldment.

I hope others can see some reflection of themselves through my words, they are honest and sincere from my own own perspective, though I know much of what they describe could also be called "illusions" or "false love."  This is what I am trying to let go of, false love and illusions, which I think my injury has given me much encouragement to do so.  Coming "close to death" has led to me re-evaluating my life deeper than ever before, and want to be fearless with my honesty about myself and towards others in any way which I think may help them. 

I think Love is letting go of all ideas of Love, and false love and illusions along with it, and opening up to the greater, infinite reality of what Love is.

Much Love

Namaste

I suppose in many ways listening to you is like looking in a mirror. You mirror many of my own experiences and attitudes. Perhaps that is why you seem so familiar. You and Brock both follow the teachings of  Neem Karoli Baba. I wonder if he stressed meditation? If so where/what are his methods?

This a qoute from you:









Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 18, 2014 03:01 am
When we let others go who do not have the ability to express joy we begin to regain our own inner joy. When people that are close to us finally lay down their cards... we then have to play them. Often this means the game is over.

In terms of our own relationships. ... Water seeks its own level simply means quality people of integrity find other quality people of integrity and vice versa.

Jitendra



Title: Re: Love
Post by: brock on Apr 18, 2014 03:30 am
It's not exactly right to say I "follow" the "teachings" of Neem Karoli Baba. For one thing, he didn't really give any teachings formally. His presence and who he was - was his teaching. He changed people by opening their hearts. His main advice was to constantly repeat the name "ram". The activities at his ashram are traditional hindu rituals like chanting the hanuman chalisa, aarti and puja and serving prasad.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 18, 2014 04:10 am
It's not exactly right to say I "follow" the "teachings" of Neem Karoli Baba. For one thing, he didn't really give any teachings formally. His presence and who he was - was his teaching. He changed people by opening their hearts. His main advice was to constantly repeat the name "ram". The activities at his ashram are traditional hindu rituals like chanting the hanuman chalisa, aarti and puja and serving prasad.

Thanks Brock

It reminds me of my long stay at a Vedanta monastery. Most of the same type of activities. I did get up early in the mornings and meditated with a monk and went to a meditation class they had on Thursdays. I am grateful for that time well spent. It brings back good memories.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Love
Post by: brock on Apr 18, 2014 11:49 am
Love

How do we know we are in love? How do we find love? Is love between humans only temporary? How many of you have experienced love?

http://youtu.be/3s5xsVHOJQs


Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Apr 20, 2014 04:29 am
Much to digest here. i believe that often our mind puts pictures together about people who come in our life and they are not always accurate. However your secrecy about who you are, where you live, what your sex is and your interests makes things difficult for others especially when you divulge so much emotional background. Without being judgemental I will venture to say that it is a very unusual way of getting to know someone. It leaves me feeling somewhat anxious yet uncertain how to respond.
I do appreciate your telling me you do not know me but still i have this feeling that somehow i do know you. It is not that i do not trust you it is just are definition of knowing one another may not be entirely the same.

Jitendra

My apologies Steve.  My intention was not to make you confused or anxious about how to respond.  I'm male, I live in Austin, my name is Art, I was invited here by Eric about a year ago.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 21, 2014 03:14 am
Thanks Art

It seems that our recent past is similar in many ways. It appears that is what I was honing in on.


Steve


Title: Re: Love
Post by: brock on Apr 21, 2014 04:58 am
It's hard to let go the past, Art.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 23, 2014 01:47 am
It's hard to let go the past, Art.

It is also quite difficult to understand in many ways. People who have professed love and friendship to us who find other romantic ventures. Can we in fact say that they know Love when they have turned their back on those that they have loved in the past? We begin to understand the shallowness of their definition of love.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Apr 25, 2014 05:53 am
Yes brock, I agree.

And Steve, perhaps.  I suppose actions speak louder than words, especially when that word is "Love" or "friend," and yet, the place from which those word were spoken still resonates it's echo within me in a profound way, which has both empowered me and challenged me greatly, in equal measure perhaps, in my creativity, confidence and spiritual focus.

Many spiritual teachings use some version of the "alchemy metaphor" and some say this was the true meaning of alchemy.  That "base emotions, thoughts and energies" were the fuel of the alchemist to transmute into the spiritual "gold" of greater awareness. 

I feel those things which have challenged me the most are also great sources of energy for me to transmute into beautiful creations and greater awareness, when I don't focus on the negative vibration of these things "anger, betrayal, sadness, bitterness, loss, etc." but rather use their energy to propel me to focus even more on a truer Love.

Easier said than done, but this is the blessing in suffering that I see.

Also, I wonder about what may happen in this life, because of things I've done in past lives, and even mistakes in this one...  Ram Dass says "our Karma is our Dharma," which makes sense to me.  I want to own all the things others have done to me, and own my responses to them, and learn from all of this, so I can make healthier decisions of who to trust and how much in the future, among other things I can learn from these Sacred Life Events.

111


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 27, 2014 09:28 pm
Hello there are a couple of responses I would like to give to this beautiful post (part of it I have included below) that does find some reflection in our own life encounters. I find it interesting that there are those who come into our life that we have shared previous unresolved karmic conditions with. It may take sometime but eventually we find that their definition of love is much different then our own. They may eventually lay down their cards in our encounters with them and we have no choice but to play them.

In this venture we find that they have not spiritually evolved enough to embrace our understanding of love. They may even do hurtful things and may not care to rectify mistakes made. They may not want to speak about it or resolve the issues. It becomes difficult to realize that we may be involved with those who are not able to have completely healthy and spiritual relationships. Relationships that limit their expression and confine love to a very narrow definition. I find much reassurance in the fact that our attempts to love and be loving still have their repercussions in sympathetic souls who continue to affirm a higher, more inclusive and expanding understanding of love.



The loss of love has been something which has challenged and guided me my whole life.  Every person I've ever been close to, other than family, has stayed a time, exchanged beautiful, deep energies and ideas with me, and then left (usually the deeper and stronger the exchange the shorter the visit...

I think this is a wavelength (needing to fix/help someone) I am growing out of.  I still love everyone I've loved with all my heart and want to remain open to their spiritual unfoldment, awakening, but to remain heartbroken by betrayal of friendship or hurt by any other mean action by another is not a very useful emotion to remain focused on.  I'm focusing on my own future, my own endeavors, my own spiritual unfoldment.  I know, the best way to truly help others is to just be oneself.  And, I know the "brief" intersection between myself and anyone else, where a deep friendship was formed and great heights were experienced together has a value which must continue to ripple, regardless of what comes after.

I've heard and/or seen from many of those I've been closest to that they "hurt those closest to them."  Whenever I feel I may have hurt or ignored someone close to me, I seek resolution and healing very quickly and have found great frustration and suffering when the other party does not want to speak or resolve a problem. 

I don't feel much emotional suffering now.  I'm focused on positive creation and personal growth, and always Love in the ways it currently manifests in my life.  You are right, friendship is a blessing.

I don't want to identify myself in my mind as a "victim" of someone saying mean things to me or letting me down in a big way or not being there for me.  I want to let go of all negative feelings like that and focus on love, forgiveness and gratitude for everything I have to be grateful for!

Perhaps this thread is about other things now.  To bring it back to topic...

I think Love IS forgiveness and gratitude, and without these two things deeper Love cannot be known.

I find the teachings of Neem Karoli Baba on Love and the Heart to be very insightful and to resonate as True with me.  He says it is best to not "close your heart" to anyone, including those who have caused me or others suffering, but I think it is a good idea to let go and stay away from such people, unless they sincerely want to reconnect, speak.

My injury is a beautiful experience.  At one point, one night months ago, I thought I might not survive or have done irreparable damage to myself from the "medicine" the doctor prescribed me.  In these moments of the greatest pain my body had ever felt, when I thought I might be leaving my body and my friends came to help me, I thought of the one who I considered my "best friend" who told me I was her best friend and that we would always be friends, I realized if she would not talk to me when I thought I might be dying, there is no good reason for that, so heartbreaking.  Though I survived and am now on the way to full recovery, it almost feels as though the one I had been closest to in this incarnation has died, and I've been grieving for a long time.

I now realize this is only one way to view things.  My injury is a beautiful experience and my suffering the greatest lesson, to help me know what I must let go of the most to help myself and others in this Life, which is my true goal.  I want to help this world, and I know it is an illusion to think I must have any certain individual or group of people remain close or at all in my life to do my work, to help others and to continue my own spiritual unfoldment.

I hope others can see some reflection of themselves through my words, they are honest and sincere from my own own perspective, though I know much of what they describe could also be called "illusions" or "false love."  This is what I am trying to let go of, false love and illusions, which I think my injury has given me much encouragement to do so.  Coming "close to death" has led to me re-evaluating my life deeper than ever before, and want to be fearless with my honesty about myself and towards others in any way which I think may help them. 

I think Love is letting go of all ideas of Love, and false love and illusions along with it, and opening up to the greater, infinite reality of what Love is.

I think we are Love, in our truest definition of who we are and what binds us.  God is Love.  All is Love.  We are a reflection of God.  We are Love.

Much Love

Namaste


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 28, 2014 05:10 am
Yes brock, I agree.

And Steve, perhaps.  I suppose actions speak louder than words, especially when that word is "Love" or "friend," and yet, the place from which those word were spoken still resonates it's echo within me in a profound way, which has both empowered me and challenged me greatly, in equal measure perhaps, in my creativity, confidence and spiritual focus.

Many spiritual teachings use some version of the "alchemy metaphor" and some say this was the true meaning of alchemy.  That "base emotions, thoughts and energies" were the fuel of the alchemist to transmute into the spiritual "gold" of greater awareness. 

I feel those things which have challenged me the most are also great sources of energy for me to transmute into beautiful creations and greater awareness, when I don't focus on the negative vibration of these things "anger, betrayal, sadness, bitterness, loss, etc." but rather use their energy to propel me to focus even more on a truer Love.

Easier said than done, but this is the blessing in suffering that I see.

Also, I wonder about what may happen in this life, because of things I've done in past lives, and even mistakes in this one...  Ram Dass says "our Karma is our Dharma," which makes sense to me.  I want to own all the things others have done to me, and own my responses to them, and learn from all of this, so I can make healthier decisions of who to trust and how much in the future, among other things I can learn from these Sacred Life Events.

111

It is easy to wish that others would behave perfectly toward you, and it is easy to see their faults, but is very difficult to conduct oneself properly and to consider dispassionately one's own faults. If a person consistently behaves rightly, others will try to follow his example. One who can assess his own faults without developing an inferiority complex, and who keeps busy correcting himself, is using his time more profitably than if he spent it just in wishing others to be better. One's own good example will do more to change others than all his wishing, righteous wrath, or words.

P.Y.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Apr 28, 2014 05:48 am
Yes Steve.  I agree.



Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Sep 04, 2014 12:38 pm
"Be like the honeybee
who gathers only nectar
wherever it goes. Seek
the goodness that is
found in everyone." ~ Amma



Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Dec 08, 2014 11:50 pm
Hey Steve & friends, long time no see.

I like being able to share what is on my heart here, and maybe someone else will benefit from me sharing my personal, momentary truth and life experience.

I just wrote back the person who inspired me to write in this thread & forum to begin with.  They've been texting/emailing me at "random" times the past 6 months, after ignoring me for a year, blocking/unblocking me on different websites, with no explanation.

I said "hi" and asked if she wanted to talk.  I told her I don't expect her to want to talk, since she's mostly ignored me for years now (since we were truly "best friends" for a couple of months), and she knows how betrayed I've felt from her actions in the past and let down by her not keeping her word and then ignoring me for weeks, months years with no communication, etc.  But the friendship was so strong and based in spiritual goodness, that I think if she opened her heart it could all be reconciled.  Though, it is not my place to expect her to change or open anything.  But I can still ask, knowing one day it will be too late to try, and our souls will have left their temporary vehicles...

I've done a lot of work on myself this year.  Being unable to walk much, spending most of my time in the same room for over a year and a half now has shown me who my true friends and phony "friends" are/were.  That is quite a gift in itself!  I don't feel as hurt by those who've taken advantage of me, used or been abusive to me in this life, or those who simply abandoned me when I was in need, after I had been there for them, and likely still would be.  I know my heart has not grown cold.  I was able to figure out who hurt me that led me to a decades long string of damaged/mentally unbalanced and destructive relationships in this life between "friends" and girlfriends, most only lasting a week or two, then running away to do drugs, like meth or cocaine and often finding a very abusive relationship to be in, which hurt all the more to be aware of, and not able to help.

There's the karma.  There are these beautiful, young souls who love my company for a short time, then leave (sometimes more or less dramatically).  As I said in an earlier post, one of these girls I knew from high school died earlier this year from drugs and alcohol abuse, a decade after being very cruel to me with no apology.  I forgave her long ago, but it's sad to see her die... even after following her dream in Hollywood and starting her own successful business...  There's another girl who I knew from high school who seems good.  Her boyfriend is sweet and loving, and probably a better fit for her than I was, but I was in love with her for a decade, and she always would contact me, message me, just enough to keep me "on a hook", I think, though it always felt like fate... the strange syncronicities or "meaningful coincidences" of the timing of when we would speak.  She contacted me to hang out once, after years of no communication.  The next day I read a myspace post she made at 4 in the morning about her boyfriend beating her up because she cut her wrist.  I offered her a place to stay, to get away from him, but just by making that offer, I never really heard from her again, but we are friends on facebook and occasionally "like" each other's posts.  She "liked" one very important, personal post I made publicly 2 or 3 years ago, and I think she's doing well with her boyfriend, who I think would never hurt her the way the last one did.

I could go on... I haven't had that many girlfriends in my life for someone my age, compared to most guys, and I've gone 5-7 years with no partner of any kind, but the ones I have been with, and the friendships I've had have impacted me more than any other events in my life, since I was 15 or 16.  Losing this last close friend from my life had a more profound and ongoing effect of sadness and confusion on my mind and heart than my Dad passing away 10 years ago did.  Maybe that is because my Dad and I had given each other all we had to give already, so it felt more graceful when he left.  He lived with so much mental suffering before he died, passing felt to me like grace for him, to have a new chance in a new body.  With this former "best friend", she left after a month where every day and week we grew closer, and went further with our creative and spiritual pursuits at the time.  At the end of the month, she wrote one of the nicest, sweetest things anyone had ever written about me, publicly on her facebook wall.  But then she deleted it a day later, and never expressed anything like that to me since, and since then she drifted further and further as a friend, said a few very hurtful things here and there.  She told me she met a guy who she got along with a lot, a little over 2 years ago, and I told her that was awesome.  She told me she might break up with him, because she was going to move away in a few months, and I told her I thought she should stick with it, because he made her happy.  A month later she invited me to visit the two of them during Thanksgiving, but then she never replied after that, and when I called her phone or emailed she ignored me for months.  The next time I talked to her was very different.  She was mad I tried to call her so much, but I told her I didn't even know if she was alive or OK, and I thought it was very strange she invited me to hang out for Thanksgiving to meet her boyfriend, and then I didn't hear from her at all until after Christmas.  I really didn't know if she was alive for that time, and couldn't imagine why she would invite me then ignore me.  The next time we talked she told me it was her right to not talk if she didn't want to, that her boyfriend doesn't like that I tried to call her during that time and that she would rather not be friends with me then feel obligated to talk to me on any regular basis. 

I do accept all of this now.  Her disappearance exposed my greatest weakness, a fear of abandonment and betrayal from my closest friend.  It wasn't the first time it had happened, but it was only the 2nd time it had happened in this way to me, and hurt even more than the 1st time 10 years earlier with a girl who was also my friend who I briefly lived with and more briefly had a romantic connection with.  In both cases, the Mental and Spiritual connection was off the chart, we felt like we had been best friends in past lives, but also in both cases the physical and more animal-emotional connection wasn't very strong.  I'm of the mind that if the spiritual connection is so strong, all else will follow, but I've seen far more girls who base their "falling in love" based on other things.  I've also played the game of attracting girls with those "other things", but lost interest long ago in that path.  I trust God will bring who into my life that will help each of us with our karmic unfoldment and dharmic fulfillment for the incarnation.

It's all Karma...
This post is already so long...
This Life has already had so many 11 out of 10 high points and the opposite...

All of it brings me closer to my true(r) self, and God... the oneness we all share..  We are all one...

When Amanda left me a decade ago, I cried one night after eating some mushrooms, smelling her clothes she left behind... seeing a Lion-Deity who I met in Hawaii telling me "We Are One", and then for an extended moment there my feeling of great loss, of having lost my "best friend" at the time was OK, because we were both reflections of the One/All.  I cried such liberating tears in that extended moment, and sang a mantra that came to me which said "we are one."

***

My parents worked a lot when I was a child, pretty much all the time.  So, on weekdays, when I was young, I would spend a lot of time with nannies.  I spent more time with them than my very loving mother most weeks.  They were psychologically and emotionally abusive to me, a young child in multiple ways.  Luckily, they did not abuse me physically or sexually, but the abuse they inflicted on me when I was a helpless child has been a lifelong challenge for me to overcome.  I realize now, these early in life experiences have "wired" me to be attracted to certain types of people, and conversely, I've put out some signal which other similar types have been attracted to me, even in ways that totally defy logic (i.e. "syncronicities"). 

One nannies was my "best friend" at a time when I was recovering from a serious leg injury, when I was about 8 years old.  I just moved schools, lost all my friends except one, gained weight, couldn't play soccer (which I loved to do at my old school), and she helped me so much with her kindness.  But then, one day she just disappeared, with no explanation.  My Mom didn't tell me why then, I was too young to understand.  It turns out she was only being nice to me to make herself "indispensable" to my parents, so she could demand a raise.  Once my Mom realized the manipulative game she was playing, she couldn't trust her and let her go.  She didn't want to tell me the truth then, afraid it would break my heart.  But the truth was.. my heart was already broken.  This nannie, Russie was her name, promised to be at a play I was in.  That meant a lot to me in 4th grade.  It meant everything at that time, the support of my closest friend, this adult who took care of me.  She promised she'd be there, then she wasn't, and I never heard her even call to say goodbye.  Recently, I found out she had some strange things about her I didn't know as a child.  She ONLY ate meat.. and occasionally brussel sprouts.  She had two daughters who were always in trouble, in unhealthy relationships.  She had a difficult upbringing herself of some kind...  This gave me more understanding to learn this in 2014, ~22 years later.  Once I learned this, my heart chakra opened at 2:30 AM.  I felt a vortex of emotions flowing out in front of my body.  I felt my "hurt" from the most recent girl abandoning me, after a foot injury that kept me housebound, begin to lift like never before.  I lied down to meditate, and go to sleep to let this change go through me.  I reached for my phone to put it on silent, so I wouldn't be disturbed by an early or late call, and I saw I had just received a text, within 5 minutes of my heart chakra opening and learning all this new information about this nannie who had abandoned me at age 8.  It was the girl who was my "best friend" who I had been missing, crying and suffering over her loss from my life for 2 years.  She texted me for the first time in 11 months, letting me know she was "in town" at 3AM on Sunday night.  Nothing much came of that.  She blocked my number after sending me the text, and emailed me a week or two later "apologizing" for sending the text, and there's been a bit more random communications from her since, but never going as far as a phone call or sense of any desire to have a real conversation.

Finally, I'm OK with this.  The Karma is Fading for me...  I don't want to have a girlfriend or "friend" who would treat me so poorly.  My nanny, who I loved deeply, abandoned me when I was 8.  She was my best friend, and she treated me in a way that was totally selfish.  She used me for what she wanted (money), and didn't care about my emotions or how it might effect me psychologically for her to disappear after being my best friend for 7 months or so. 

Because of this event, my unconsciousness seems to have identified "damaged girl", "girl who might disappear" and "girl who doesn't care about my emotions or mental well being" as someone to fall in love with and even to find male and female friends like this, and to maybe "fix them" by being loving and supportive. 

This is a play.  Two archetypal roles that are as old as Humans have been around, probably much older still...  Both roles, the guy and girl, have built in Karmic lessons to learn from such roles, and they will keep replaying the same roles in relationship and relationship throughout their life, or even multiple lifetimes.

"Get arrested, guess until they get the message" - Kanye West

Two or three months after this incredible 3AM synchronicity or "meaningful coincidence", I found a very powerful psychic healer kind of person, who psychically told me a lot of dates involving all of this, and re-programmed the reality from when I was 8 in a way, where I was not suffering.  And since then, I have not felt the excruciating pain I felt every week by the abandonment of this "best friend".  I'm afraid to write this, because I think it might jinx it somehow to say "I"m FREE!!", however.. it's been over 3 months since my meeting with the psychic one... and I have not felt that pain since, and I have had a newfound clarity about it all.  I go days, weeks without even thinking about her now, and the deeper hurt from my childhood has been tempered and maybe totally replaced with understanding and acceptance, though I also now understand why it is so hard for a victim of child abuse to forgive their abuser.  I want to forgive this nanny, but the innocence she took away from could not be replaced.  I do love her as another reflection of God, but I don't know if I can truly forgive her at this time, honestly.  Maybe I can now, but I didn't want to when I realized what she did to me, and how it effected me.  I would never hurt a child like that or any other way.  Well... maybe forgiveness is it's own Karma...  I still have to work on this.

The last time I felt the great pain from she who most recently abandoned me in my time of need, I got a random email from her about a band to check out.  She acted like nothing had happened between us, like she didn't let me down majorly as a friend, etc.  It hurt a lot.  That night I blocked her, and told her if she wants to try to be friends, she can call and we can talk, but that it feels disrespectful and kind of insane to act as if nothing has happened and engage in small talk about music.  I told her my heart and mind are open if she wants to communicate on the phone or in person, and that I love her and wish her goodness and positive energy in her life.

That night was the last night I felt the excruciating pain.  It was only one or two nights before my meeting with the psychic healer.  I wanted to let go, but still felt the pain from my past.  The pain of an innocent child being abandoned by the adult he trusted and thought was his best friend.  I recorded a song that night, which I also named my latest album after, Karma Fading.  It has all of the emotion and information in it's melodies and rhythms of this karma of mine fading back into the Ether.  It has taught me a great lesson in this life already, and I now feel more ready than ever before to seek healthier, more supportive and truly loving relationships and friendships in the future.

Here is a link to the album: https://soundcloud.com/daze-of-heaven/sets/karma-fading

Thank you for reading and for being in this healing internet space.  I hope you benefit from reading these words that come from my open heart, whoever you are.


LOVE, Light and Lucidity to you reflection of the D I V I N E !!!

(:

Art


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 14, 2014 03:19 pm
Art

i have just started to delve into your account of relationships. I intend on commenting and sharing with u... if u don't mind. One of the things I have learned that came as quite a surprise to me is that u can b very close with someone and they can really turn on u and abandon u if they find another 'flame' for a while. It was literally amazing to me that I could be accused of 'stalking' someone that was separated by such a distance that it was inconceivable i would even b near. Yet in today's world  the word is used quite indiscriminately to include communicating and continuing to b friendly. What i have learned from the situation is how we can b so wrong about other people. Many people disolve into the frame work of their own personal agendas and do not have the capacity to expand their personal lives to include a larger spiritual family. Instead they fall back into a very limited personal ego existence.

i responded to u in this way because I see that among the lasting friends and lovers u have met some rather flaky people in your encounters. Many or most people simply disappear when challenges in relationships arise. This I can accept out of most people who have no real conception of spiritual development but out of people who are openly professing a spiritual path?
It becomes a contradiction in terms.

It has been difficult for me to admit but I have not always chose friends who were true friends. I believe it is important for me to realize that among the many wonderful people who have come in my life there are also a few who were never the right choices and who actually betrayed friendship. It is O.K. if someone can truly apologize and recognize this but many people do not even have remorse only justification and rationalization.

Hope this has put a lite on some of your encounters. It is only one persons observation based on a personal experiences of my own. It was nice of you to share with us Art. I intend on reading your post much more....


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 15, 2014 11:00 am
Love never dies. It just changes. It is not static but we as humans often make it that way. We believe it to be in a form or in a person. In this way we trap it. But it constantly has the need to expand and grow. In this way the objects we have seen representing love are only doing it relatively. We soon must expand our realization and understanding of love. If this means having love, represented in human form, taken from us then that will happen. Quite often it is out of our power to control our notion of loving.

People that need to force love by controlling our relationships with those around us loose love. Love is not just between two people. This also can easily become an ego trip. e.g. My fiancee or my wife or husband. Love is a process. Many people are conditioned by society and somehow feel they can circumscribe love to a single relationship. In the process they exclude other people and limit loves growth turning it into another ego trip. It is ever growing and expanding. We are only a witness of it happening in our lives.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 20, 2014 01:36 pm
Art i have found your posts rather lengthy and infrequent. So when they do appear they require a longer period of digestion and different installments if one wants to respond. This is just an observation. Your personality lends itself to spurts and then periods of reticence.

The 'relationship' that u have discussed strikes me as one in which someone does not have the ability to express her feelings or lack of feelings for u. It would b better for this person to respond to your concerns but obviously we can not force people to respond in like manner. It has been my experience to recognize that such people are much different than I might have thought and therefore recognized that i made an error in judgement about what I thought of the person.

It is often difficult but we eventually discover the true colors of those around us. Some people become more than we thought others less. I am grateful to find some people around me have often re-entered my life and shown the enduring nature of friendship. We also may find that there r those we have met who no longer serve our 'needs' nor can we satisfy theirs. Some people r very inept at gracefully recognizing this and expressing it in a friendly manner or at least a civil manner.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 23, 2014 06:06 am
Art; We eventually realize it is not worth thinking about. The mind is very sick in this way. It does not want to let go of the thoughts. This is where the sickness arrises in ourselves and not just those who have treated us sadly.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Love
Post by: mccoy on Dec 23, 2014 10:08 pm
Art; We eventually realize it is not worth thinking about. The mind is very sick in this way. It does not want to let go of the thoughts. This is where the sickness arrises in ourselves and not just those who have treated us sadly.
Jitendra

+111 on that. The mind tends to be sick, almost loving that.
Even when we are perfectly conscious that we do not belong to those alien thoughts, the mind keeps revolving and revolving around them.
Mental torture. I often wondered how come we can be so enslaved to mental moods and mental loops.

I personally hate it, I must be the master of my mind, not the slave. Nevertheless, I'm not Always able to get rid of them.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 24, 2014 03:16 am
Art; We eventually realize it is not worth thinking about. The mind is very sick in this way. It does not want to let go of the thoughts. This is where the sickness arrises in ourselves and not just those who have treated us sadly.
Jitendra

+111 on that. The mind tends to be sick, almost loving that.
Even when we are perfectly conscious that we do not belong to those alien thoughts, the mind keeps revolving and revolving around them.
Mental torture. I often wondered how come we can be so enslaved to mental moods and mental loops.

I personally hate it, I must be the master of my mind, not the slave. Nevertheless, I'm not Always able to get rid of them.

Maybe the human race will find something else someday. For now we only have time and new events which naturally crowd out old thought patterns with new ones. As far as anything beyond those natural means ; the only thing we know is meditation and affirmations. i suppose you could add prayer to the list and ofcourse the help of other influences with not so many morbid thoughts.  :)

The only real freedom from thoughts is in that space that is experienced in meditation when the mind loosens it's endless moods and mental loops as you described so well.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 24, 2014 01:16 pm
When the rite thoughts persist the sub conscious mind is influenced. The dreams become transformed and the mind has a continous loop that hum's divine thoughts. Like a koan those thoughts break open the shell that reveals pearls of wisdom and awakening love.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: mccoy on Dec 25, 2014 11:52 am
That celestial loop has been eluding me. I know it because I have experienced but in too short stretches of time.

That's the bait I think we are running after. A state we know ctually exists but we are not capable to govern yet.

It's a most frustrating situation but by now I learnt to cope with that, may distracting the mind by excessive mental workload.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 26, 2014 02:06 am
When the rite thoughts persist the sub conscious mind is influenced. The dreams become transformed and the mind has a continous loop that hum's divine thoughts. Like a koan those thoughts break open the shell that reveals pearls of wisdom and awakening love.

That celestial loop has been eluding me. I know it because I have experienced but in too short stretches of time.

That's the bait I think we are running after. A state we know actually exists but we are not capable to govern yet. It's a most frustrating situation but by now I learnt to cope with that, may distracting the mind by excessive mental workload.

It eludes most of us spiritual seekers. That is why we carry que cards where ever we go in the form of environment, practice and friends. Suddenly sometimes it becomes spontaneous and opens us up to higher realities. Love is not something we can control. The more we try to control love the more difficulties we have. The desire to cultivate it gives us more and more glimpses of it and our false notions are revealed as well.  Love is often something very different then we imagined. It is important to be open to that idea.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: tides2dust on Dec 26, 2014 09:03 am
+111 on that. The mind tends to be sick, almost loving that.
Even when we are perfectly conscious that we do not belong to those alien thoughts, the mind keeps revolving and revolving around them.
Mental torture. I often wondered how come we can be so enslaved to mental moods and mental loops.

I personally hate it, I must be the master of my mind, not the slave. Nevertheless, I'm not Always able to get rid of them.

When the rite thoughts persist the sub conscious mind is influenced. The dreams become transformed and the mind has a continous loop that hum's divine thoughts. Like a koan those thoughts break open the shell that reveals pearls of wisdom and awakening love.

What you're both discussing reminds me of something I've read in somewhat recent times coined, "neuro pathways."
As I understand it... Say we learn to ride a bike. We are creating a pathway in our brain. The more we practice the more we enforce this pathway. If we stop riding and come back to it years later, we instinctively remember how to ride this bike. It's because the pathway is still there... It has been a while since I've touched up on this subject... So my understanding may need a more experienced persons clarification... But I eventually understood it as not only do neuropathways form by physical stimuli but emotional as well. Meaning, if we behave in a certain manner because of how such and such has made us feel... Then we create the pathway in our brains. Once this pathway is created, it's easy for us to revisit it... And the more we revisit it,
the more we reinforce this path...

I think I've read you can't undo these pathways.. But what you can do is override them with new ones... You can reconstruct your pathways.. Reinforce them to a more positive outcome using a little creativity, through intention practice and repetition

Something like that... Anyways, for a better understanding... Please read between these links I've found to share with you
http://www.dailygood.org/view.php?sid=221

http://www.neuralpathwayrestructuring.com/home.html


Title: Re: Love
Post by: mccoy on Dec 26, 2014 07:29 pm
Neuralpathway restructuring sounds good, I wonder what's the degree of success with that therapy and in which specific cases


Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Dec 27, 2014 05:26 am
Many or most people simply disappear when challenges in relationships arise. This I can accept out of most people who have no real conception of spiritual development but out of people who are openly professing a spiritual path?
It becomes a contradiction in terms.

Well... over the years Steve, I've come the conclusion that most who "profess" to be on a Spiritual path, are usually the most likely to abandon it or become a hypocrite at some point, and those who talk about it less (unless it comes up in conversation), tend to be more reliable and stable in their way.

No judgement about this.  I definitely feel like I've been both people, at different times in this life alone.



Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Dec 27, 2014 05:42 am
That celestial loop has been eluding me. I know it because I have experienced but in too short stretches of time.

That's the bait I think we are running after. A state we know ctually exists but we are not capable to govern yet.

It's a most frustrating situation but by now I learnt to cope with that, may distracting the mind by excessive mental workload.

Mccoy, I think this is perfectly OK, and as Ram Dass would say, just let the "unhealthy" thought loops happen, don't judge them.  Even if you lose your temper sometime, or give in to some other "mental or emotional weakness" or bad habit, the first thing is to not judge yourself, and accept it all as perfect, necessary and everything happens for a reason.

My friend Brock (who may be still on here?) told me that Ramana Maharshi implies or says that to have a body at all implies some suffering and thus karma.  To be free of suffering and karma to "clear up" one would no longer even be incarnated, maybe.

Someone else told me that he believes we are on this Earth to learn.  This is a school for souls, and once we graduate... we may move onto another plane of existence, or perhaps another part of the Universe or a whole different reality...

The thing is, this Human experience with it's rollercoaster ride ups and downs is unique, none of our animal or even early Human ancestors knew of the the challenges we experience in this day and age, not exactly as we experience them.  Though Life, Death, Love and Admiration of God's Creation, Gratitude for Experience and Loved Ones are all gifts.  We are here to experience, and learn, maybe...

Here's a great quote from the Houston (my hometown) comedian Bill Hicks on "life as a ride": http://youtu.be/iMUiwTubYu0


Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Dec 27, 2014 06:19 am
What you're both discussing reminds me of something I've read in somewhat recent times coined, "neuro pathways."
As I understand it... Say we learn to ride a bike. We are creating a pathway in our brain. The more we practice the more we enforce this pathway. If we stop riding and come back to it years later, we instinctively remember how to ride this bike. It's because the pathway is still there... It has been a while since I've touched up on this subject... So my understanding may need a more experienced persons clarification... But I eventually understood it as not only do neuropathways form by physical stimuli but emotional as well. Meaning, if we behave in a certain manner because of how such and such has made us feel... Then we create the pathway in our brains. Once this pathway is created, it's easy for us to revisit it... And the more we revisit it,
the more we reinforce this path...

I think I've read you can't undo these pathways.. But what you can do is override them with new ones... You can reconstruct your pathways.. Reinforce them to a more positive outcome using a little creativity, through intention practice and repetition

Perhaps we cannot "undo" our mental pathways... but I do think we can create new pathways and feed our ENERGY into pathways which better serve us and others.

Everything that happens to us and everything we do has an effect on our mind, and how we respond to it, is up to us... but sometimes it is very hard to let go of things, especially the loss of someone we loved greatly from our lives, whether a friend, lover or family member...

I've heard that neuroscience has actually shown that when we are in a deep or long relationship and that person leaves or dies, it does actually look like a part of our brain stops working fully... as if it had a space in it's pathways for that person, which can no long function the same without them....

In this case, I do not think we are DOOMED to never using this part of our heart, mind or brain again!  I think, over time, we can re-purpose this space for new people, groups, ideas, and creations!  How many great works of art or books or music have been fueled by the loss or a great longing for someone out of reach for various reasons?

We have just left the Winter Solstice... the lowest energetic (sunlight) time of the year... now is the time for all of us to have the chance to LET GO of old neural pathways and energies which do not serve us, and to OPEN our hearts, minds and spirits into the possibilities that the NEW YEAR will bring!

Personally, I believe our suffering is ultimately a gift... we are on Earth to learn lessons, and to grow and to help and inspire others to do the same... so we as a species can continue to awaken in positive LOVING direction, before it's too late...

Any loss we feel or mistake we made or suffering we have experienced has some lesson to teach us, I believe.  And the greatest "silver lining" of all when we suffer, according to Ram Dass and Neem Karoli Baba is that "Suffering brings us closer to God".

Like a psychedelic or deep meditation experience... hopefully we are able to take away something valuable from our visit nearer to God... and bring it back to our regular, daily existence on Earth..

Thank you all for making this website and thread so full of honest perspectives, for opening up and sharing your reality.

<3


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 30, 2014 01:42 pm
New Neuro pathways: It sounds like a fancy way of saying habits. The Masters have told us that habits are a way for us to accomplish tasks easily. The challenge occurs when we realize that certain habits do not work well in all situations. Suddenly we are confronted with people, places or situations that we cannot place in our habits which we use to deal with them.

At that point we recognize that our habits are correct accept when facing the new situation that arrises. So we have to ad modifications. If enough modifications to certain habits are needed we may have to re write our habit and begin a new one. We are creatures of habit. But the spiritual journey constantly demands that we change our habits.... that we change ourselves.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: kingfisher111 on Dec 31, 2014 10:39 am
Your take on habits Steve reminds me of this Bruce Lee quote about water:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2yFA0-B4


Title: Re: Love
Post by: mccoy on Dec 31, 2014 02:12 pm
Pretty good control from the dude smoking the cigarette, unflinching when the chaku hit the target.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: tides2dust on Dec 31, 2014 06:19 pm
EPIC!=D
that bruce lee scene is awesome 8)


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 09, 2015 05:33 am
Love expands in increasing the quality of usefulness. Your wife, husband, father, or parents may be useful in the conjugal or social way, but unless they develop ever increasing, divinely emancipating usefulness, you will never experience true or divine love in them. In my Master I found the unconditional impersonal expression of divine love, because of the usefulness of the divine emancipation which I found through him. Love is born in usefulness. Love is evoked by one who is aesthetically, materially, mentally, morally, socially, conjugally, or spiritually useful. Love is the cosmic pull of God to bring back all things that went out of his bosom.~Paramahansa Yogananda


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Feb 28, 2016 08:28 pm
Will i ever love again? Will u ever love again? Do u have a desire to love? When it envelops u. When u can think of nothing but love. When every moment of your existence u have this strong urge to find love again. When u begin to realize what we are missing every moment of our life. When that over pouring desire for love drowns your thoughts love will open up to u again even if it shows up in the most unusual ways that u had never expected.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Shannon on Mar 01, 2016 05:05 pm
There are new studies that show we actually can change our mental pathways - the phenomenon of neuroplasticity.  The TED talk I am hooking up below is an example - not of the studies, but a woman's actual experience.  Very inspiring, touching.  There are more 'scientific' ones out there for data geeks.  Ha ha.    Yogananda teaches as well that we can change our actual brain grooves by learning to be conscious of our thoughts.

http://youtu.be/o0td5aw1KXA

Steve, I think that Love is in us all the time.  Ever present, ever new.  We don't always realize this because our own baser thoughts and perceptions get in the way.  Usefulness is a desirable habit, becuase it helps us to focus on giving, loving, being in tune with our deepest nature - which is... Love!  I feel Love everywhere, but not always.  Sometimes I forget, but that is usually when I am wrapped up in negative thoughts - thoughts that need to be tamed and pruned - like turning one's back on the paper tiger.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 02, 2016 02:21 am
There are new studies that show we actually can change our mental pathways - the phenomenon of neuroplasticity.  The TED talk I am hooking up below is an example - not of the studies, but a woman's actual experience.  Very inspiring, touching.  There are more 'scientific' ones out there for data geeks.  Ha ha.    Yogananda teaches as well that we can change our actual brain grooves by learning to be conscious of our thoughts.

http://youtu.be/o0td5aw1KXA

Steve, I think that Love is in us all the time.  Ever present, ever new.  We don't always realize this because our own baser thoughts and perceptions get in the way.  Usefulness is a desirable habit, becuase it helps us to focus on giving, loving, being in tune with our deepest nature - which is... Love!  I feel Love everywhere, but not always.  Sometimes I forget, but that is usually when I am wrapped up in negative thoughts - thoughts that need to be tamed and pruned - like turning one's back on the paper tiger.

i believe some people come in our lives to help us redefine our own realities. i am always open to that possibility with others. That to me is part of love... growing, expanding my own limited conception of who i am. Sometimes though i have just drove down the street and this tremendous feeling of love has welled up inside me. Sometimes not even coming from any person but from nature and some mystical experience coming from within. If it is there much of the time for you... then it is not dependent on a person or a certain situation. That would b nice. i watched the video... and can relate to some elements in it. i believe i was a slow learner as a child... i lived in my own world. i guess i just 'learned' how to do it in a more constructive way as i found out about meditation and spirituality.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: SI on Mar 02, 2016 03:48 am
Steve, I think that Love is in us all the time.  Ever present, ever new.  We don't always realize this because our own baser thoughts and perceptions get in the way.

There are many distractions that blur truth. Stubbornness, skewed perception, I me mine, etc., I'm guilty of all these things and more.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 06, 2016 10:38 pm
Steve, I think that Love is in us all the time.  Ever present, ever new.  We don't always realize this because our own baser thoughts and perceptions get in the way.

There are many distractions that blur truth. Stubbornness, skewed perception, I me mine, etc., I'm guilty of all these things and more.

Thank-You SI i believe we all are.

Love never destroys it only changes so we can realize its greater meaning. We may b in tune with it with someone else and then one of us may no longer experience it. We do not deny that it happened. A lot depends on how people treat one another. Very few things last for ever. But if you ever have the chance to experience love at some level... you are always grateful! True love inspires and looking back at it we always find it as an impetus in our life even though we must be receptive to its changes.

Through out my life i have found the strongest memories of love are associated with spirituality in myself and those i have been fortunate to have touched my life. For the most part; 'Love' with little spiritual aspiration or presence has fizzled out over the years.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 20, 2016 06:10 pm
Here i am experiencing what love is once again.... recognizing that everyone is at a different place in their evolutionary understanding of love. If i can truly understand this i can recognize that people can only express what their present outlook allows them to. Most of us here are trying to expand that outlook to include others and gain a greater knowledge of ourselves and the world. We just have to allow others to move along at their own pace as the great ones allow us to move along at our own pace however slow it may be. If this expresses itself as some that are leaving our lives and others entering it we find that this too is meant to deepen our experience and understanding of love and not to punish us.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 09, 2016 10:31 pm
Here i am experiencing what love is once again.... recognizing that everyone is at a different place in their evolutionary understanding of love. If i can truly understand this i can recognize that people can only express what their present outlook allows them to. Most of us here are trying to expand that outlook to include others and gain a greater knowledge of ourselves and the world. We just have to allow others to move along at their own pace as the great ones allow us to move along at our own pace however slow it may be. If this expresses itself as some that are leaving our lives and others entering it we find that this too is meant to deepen our experience and understanding of love and not to punish us.

It is not something we control. Love is actually an experience of the soul. If people recognize love in another they r very fortunate indeed. But when we begin putting conditions on it.... it slips thru our fingers. Because love is a state of being.


Title: Re: Love
Post by: tides2dust on Jan 17, 2018 08:55 am
All these Bruce lee videos under the love section
I thought this would be a nice bump
 ;D
https://youtu.be/FQC29joihwU


Title: Re: Love
Post by: tides2dust on Feb 01, 2018 06:18 am
hope you didn't find the bruce lee video offensive.  ;D
i have been reading this chapter for the past couple of days and will take just a snippet from it and share it here...

"The effect of love is pain. The love that has no pain is no love. The lover who has not gone through the agonies of love is not a lover, he claims love falsely. 'What love is it that gives no pain? Even if one were crazy in love it is nothing.' The pain of love is the lover's pleasure, his very life. The lack of pain is his death. Amir, the Hindustani poet, says, 'Thou wilt remember me after I am dead, O my pain in love, for I have given thee place all through life in my tender heart, and have fed thee with my flesh and blood.' Everybody can speak of love and claim to love, but to stand the test of love and to bear the pain in love is the achievement of some rare hero. The mere sight of love's pain makes the coward run away from it. No soul would have taken this poison if it had not the taste of nectar.

He who loves because he cannot help it is the slave of love, but he who loves because it is his only joy is the king of love. He who, for the sake of love, loves someone who falls short of his ideal is the ruler of love. And he who can seal his heart full of love in spite of all attraction on the part of the beloved is the conqueror of love.

Those who have avoided love in life from fear of its pain have lost more than the lover, who by losing himself gains all. The loveless first lose all, until at last their self is also snatched away from their hands. The warmth of the lover's atmosphere, the piercing effect of his voice, the appeal of his words, all come from the pain of his heart. The heart is not living until it has experienced pain. Man has not lived if he has lived and worked with his body and mind without heart. The soul is all light, but all darkness is caused by the death of the heart. Pain makes it alive. The same heart that was once full of bitterness, when purified by love becomes the source of all goodness. All deeds of kindness spring from it."
http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/V/V_22.htm
Volume V - Spiritual Liberty
Part IV: LOVE, HUMAN AND DIVINE
Chapter IV
THE MORAL OF LOVE


a lot to learn from and discuss if open to it


Title: Re: Love
Post by: Dr. Suess on Dec 30, 2018 05:53 am
We are all a little weird and life's a little weird, and when we find someone whose weirdness is compatible with ours, we join up with them and fall in mutual weirdness and call it love.

Dr. Seuss


Title: Love and Tawazu
Post by: tides2dust on Dec 30, 2018 06:59 am
Thanks Dr. Suess,
and all who've shared here. I find it important to make ones self available to others(to give in that moment, Loving intent) in some fashion as a way to experience some depth to Love(which may be greater than we realize). What that means is probably different for every one... giving our attention to one for just a moment may be of great service. Love is gentle. It is dropping self-concern, it is selfless. Selflessness is Joy. In our sincerity to experience or be closer to God we learn the importance of Love... 
Yesterdays wisdom from Hazrat Inayat Khan

   ~~~ True pleasure lies in the sharing of joy with another.
"Tawazu in Sufi terms means something more than hospitality. It is laying before one's friend willingly what one has, in other words sharing with one's friend all the good one has in life, and with it, enjoying life better. When this tendency to tawazu is developed, things that give one joy and pleasure become more enjoyable by sharing with another. This tendency comes from the aristocracy of the heart. It is generosity and even more than generosity. For the limit of generosity is to see another pleased in his pleasure, but to share one's own pleasure with another is greater than generosity. It is a quality which is foreign to a selfish person, and the one who shows this quality is on the path of saintliness."

   from  https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/XIII/XIII_15.htm





Title: Re: Love
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 09, 2019 04:40 am
https://youtu.be/zu8eStPNTvw