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One gets a glance at a chart and somethings just stand out without much thought.

Arts' chart has most of the planets on one side of the chart. This shows much energy is put in a certain area of life. He finds it very important to be receptive since the life directions of those around him play a major role in his life. Life patterns always seem to involve the decisions and the considerations as well as the influence of those coming into his life. Most decisions are based on the contacts and chance meetings with others in his life. He has the ability to work with other people and use their resources to create a larger combined effort. He has the ability to attract many people and relationships in his life. Yet communication continues to be a life learning process in his abundant relationships with others.

There is a oneness between soul and ego energies so that he is very much in tune with his emotions and it is easy to express them thru creative outlets with much individuality. There are many fortunate windfalls in his self expression and sudden fortunate events. However this is tempered by the fact that he comes in contact with people who hold conflicting values and ideas on how to express his creativity and use money associated with such ventures.

It is important to gain an objective prospective on relationships.... to get other views since his views on these connections can be very subjective. It is important for him to understand his unconscious motives. There is a tendency to obsess and become caught in mental quagmires if not checked.

He will continue to look for and find ideal service where he can express his ideals in work. There is the ability to work with other people and use energy with other people to put together projects Art seeks deep soul connection in his work/service. There are many opportunities in his service and in creativity throughout life.

There are also break ups in the home and periodic changes in living arrangements that bring transforming experiences to him. Many of these are combined with communication issues. This is a karmic situation that Art is trying to understand and work on this life.

Art has a very emotional approach to his environment and he comes off emotionally expressive. His life is blessed with many soul connections which play a decisive role in his life direction or if he chooses otherwise he will still encounter people who play a decisive role but they will thwart his path with many obstacles because he feels somehow obligated to them in most of his decision making.

 He has the strong ability to be spontaneous with friends and in groups. This is his strength in projecting himself since
most of his connections seem dependent on the people that have shaped his life. Yet when he is truly in the now he is able to
see where he can offer and initiate projects at a moments notice that involve friends and groups.

more later....

cool, thanks Steve!

Feels accurate

I look forward to part 2!

You are welcome... Ii feel like it has helped me understand and know you better. None of this is based on anything I have just read out of a book but rather personal experience, study in the past and hunches.

The natal chart shows a map plan for learning and experiencing this incarnation. These are the lessons and the desires you have chosen to fulfill this incarnation. How this is done will determine future life scenarios.

What happens at any given moment and what will happen in the future are topics for another thread which at some point we can go over. I am grateful that you are open to having such personal matters revealed on a public forum. There are somethings i refrain from saying because of the personal nature of such comments. I hope i have not revealed anything that may be used against you. In doing an up to date reading, sometimes that can be even a more important thing to consider. There are many things that come into our life that we have little control of but we always have control over how we react and respond to our 'destiny'.

I'm happy to be alive Steve!

Thank you for your reading.  I trust your judgement on what you think would be appropriate or not to post publicly on this site.

I have no enemies and nothing to hide.  Everyone who visits this site comes here for a sip of water on their path towards spiritual unfoldment I think, and I'm honored to share this sacred, digital space with you all (:

We had a nice conversation on the phone Art. I looked at your chart. You have four planets in cardinal signs plus your ascendant and mid heaven. Four planets in fixed signs and three in mutable signs. Yet half of your planets are also in cardinal houses. The predominance is in cardinality which denotes A leader and someone in control who seeks control in various ways. People will most likely follow you and your ideas or reject you because you are someone to be reckoned with.

Next in line of predominance are fixed signs. You have a fixed purpose or in some ways may appear stubborn

Lastly are mutable signs. Three planets lie in mutable signs. They show adaptability or when weak a lack of direction or purpose. You have 3 planets in mutable signs. All and all you have a good balance between the
qualities I have mentioned with your greatest strength in cardinality.

However there is one point worth mentioning; most of your planets are on the west side of the chart which means even though you are a leader you look heavily towards the opinions and descisions of others before expressing such leadership. This means that you may even wait for others to take action before you do. This only shows the complexity of character in people especially you.

Your life will be directed at strong male figures in relationships and female help in service. These could be used for good or harm in the life of the native and may alternate in expression.

You have the ability to attract many relationships with people in your life. You want to have good communication in relationships however you always seem to have communication issues. The way you speak to others... how you say what you say and react to what others say will be a life long lesson for you. People often seem to work against you in a subversive manner in their communication or lack of communication. However when you begin to let it go and let them go it will help you. Remember; the strength of your personality and communication often leaves those who disagree with you with no option but to react in an surreptitious manner. Even though this does not show integrity on their part it shows the power of your own personality and those you attract in your life.

Minnie Astrologer LOL

That's a lot to think about.

Thank you Steve!

Arts chart

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Art has what is called a ‘bundle chart’.

When the planets are crammed into one third of the wheel, or less, we have a bundle horoscope. By way of contrast, a splash chart scatters a person’s energies. A bundle concentrates them.

This chart shape makes it easier to focus on one thing over a long range of time. It’s not that bundle people can’t have a wide range of interests. They are simply less influenced by what goes on outside of themselves. They are more likely to create and live in their own little world.

In some cases, this can manifest as self-centered insensitivity. In others, they can make a big impact on the world because they tend to be immune to outside criticism and can’t be easily dissuaded. There is also, according to Marc Edmund Jones, a self-obsessed quality bundle people. The effect can work even when the planets cover a little more than 120 degrees as long as the signs at each end are trine.

An example of the bundle chart is the horoscope of Robert Shapiro, one of the lawyers on the winning side of the O. J. Simpson trial. Uranus is at 4 degrees Gemini, Mercury is at 3 degrees Libra, and all the other planets are in between. Little is known about his personal life, but the bundle would give the ability to focus his energy. This is a plus in any profession, but especially in the courtroom, where every job is a battle.         
Ironically Marcia Clark, one of the prosecutors in the O. J. case, also has a bundle chart. In her chart, the bundle is wide, going from the Moon at 12 degrees Gemini to Saturn at 24 degrees of Libra. Shapiro’s Saturn is at 12 degrees Gemini, right on top of Clark’s Moon, so she would always have a tough time beating him.

His Sun is in the 12th house (behind the scenes activity) showing that he would rather stay behind the scenes. Her Sun, by contrast, is in the 10th house (career and public image) projecting her more strongly into the public eye.

When Leo (sign of the ego) is the Sun-sign in a bundle horoscope, watch out! Mick Jagger has a wide bundle (17 degrees wide to be exact) and his megalomania is well known. While this is great on stage, it has caused some problems in his marriages.

https://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/bundle.htm

Heroic expedition
Heroic expedition involves concentrated energy accumulation. The central theme of life story of people with this distribution of planets is a heroic expedition. When people with bundle shape are young (and sometimes throughout their life), they give the impression of a "superhero" or "super heroine". It is as if they were fighting the rest of the world with supernatural powers. What area will be specifically affected is determined by what planets occupy signs and houses.
Certain psychological inflation (exaggeration)
People with this shape are at risk of some psychological inflation (exaggeration). They behave as if they were demigods or supermen. And indeed, it may sometimes seem that gods have given them special powers.

This is related to the fact that people with this shape tend to take risks. They are daring and not afraid to bet everything on one card (and sometimes lose everything too). The bets often increase in value. There is also ambiguity - as if they at the same time unconsciously wish to fail.

Rebirth and new beginnings
The path of these people is dramatically halted or complicated by their injuries or failures. "Rebirths" are related to this theme. Rebirths are new opportunities that turn their heroic expedition into the mystery of their "rescue mission".
Examples of a bundle:
- Harrison Ford, an actor who embodied this "superhero" in many of his roles.
- Sylvester Stallone, an actor who plays his "Rambo" roles again and again (how come he is not getting older like other human beings?).
Humanisation, personification and humbleness
What is then the central individualised task of the bundle?
Their task is to become more human. They have to acquire their own personal identity and become more humble.
Other Shapes
The shape of the horoscope may not be clearly visible in the horoscope. But if the shape of the horoscope is obvious (Distinct Shape), we should pay attention to it because it tells us a lot about the person´s characteristics and his or her attitude to life.

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/astrology-chart-shape/bundle

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Your chart Art... should show on a computer now and on phone internet as well.



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Steve, the image you posted says "that image file has expired"

Yes ... I saw it. It is very difficult to do things free when someone or some company wants money from you. Just hope to do the best that I can Art. Perhaps you will find a solution... 😊 thanks. For some reason I am seeing the image again... and I did see when it said expired! Hmmm... I don’t get it!

Any easy way around this, is to save the image or screen capture it and reupload it yourself, perhaps on this site, so it won’t expire

A url is required... i have taken up this subject further under ‘ members only ‘ since no one can respond or help  unless they register.

Thanks Art

Is this it Steve?

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I see the "bundle" you were referring to!

Very interesting Steve!

It looks like most of what you wrote are relevant things that you copy and pasted of general definitions, right?

Could you explain "what kind of bundle chart" I have, relative to planets, houses, etc.?

Am I more of a Robert Shapiro or Marcia Clark? 😂

I hope to answer your questions in a rather methodical way at first and then expand from that.

First of all Art the most noticeable feature that jumps out about your bundle chart is that it lies all on the western portion of a circle ⭕️ as differentiated from the eastern side of the chart. This means that your emphasis  and influences come from mostly other people and your life is a constant influence from others. You depend much on other people for your identity and you give them identity.

Your ability to attract others in your home life and to receive economic as well as shared values comes rather natural especially with male influences.... because masculine planets are involved; Saturn and Mars.

As you see... all your planets are in the 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8. These houses relate sequentially to these things and qualities in your life;

4. your home
5. your self expression and creative outlets
6. your service and health issues
7. Relationships
8. Shared values and money also ancestral background...
 as well as sexual and psychic influences.

It is not that there is no other areas of life that are important to you but that you put a lot of focus on these areas of life sometimes excluding others areas because such matters are so important to you.

Notice when planets are bunched in a certain area of a chart that is small it is difficult for them to be separated. In fact in Arts’ chart only two planets are separate in there position from the others; Neptune and Mars. The others are bunched in groups or paired. Sun, Moon and Mercury are grouped together, Saturn and Pluto are paired together and Jupiter and Uranus are paired together.
This means we have to understand where they are together ( the houses ) , how they are together (the signs and the planets proximity) and what their chemistry is while combining with one another. These are all factors I intend to elaborate on in future posts. Arts’ chart and what he has brought into this life and he has intended to work on this incarnation are factors that could be literally discussed for hours and perhaps a life time as various karmic events unfold in his life. Let’s take a break now and assimilate some of this information and see what other questions Art may have... in the meantime... if he has none I will be moving forward soon in taking a closer look at some of the factors I have mentioned.

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Very interesting Steve!

Could you explain "what kind of bundle chart" I have, relative to planets, houses, etc.?

Am I more of a Robert Shapiro or Marcia Clark? 😂

Is this it Steve?

(https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/horoscope-chart1-700__radix_13-1-1983_17-37.png?fortune_asp=1&chiron_asp=1&lilith_asp=1&uzel_asp=1&dum_1_new=112.948011231&dum_10_new=12.784733108309&no_domy=&dum_1=112.948011231&dum_2=135.65220889917&dum_3=161.71550029078&dum_4=192.78473310831&dum_5=227.59876525842&dum_6=261.93285161972&&pd_4=ANO&pd_5=ANO&pd_6=ANO&pd_7=ANO&pd_8=ANO&planeta_slunce=293.22382542466&planeta_luna=290.74922784036&planeta_merkur=298.1563245536&planeta_venuse=310.31921797335&planeta_mars=327.1994419109&planeta_jupiter=243.60939796434&planeta_saturn=213.68279781501&planeta_uran=247.59578156762&planeta_neptun=267.71563403252&planeta_pluto=209.42852895729&planeta_uzel=93.168975967749&planeta_lilith=292.96103246174&planeta_chiron=52.835642896585&planeta_fortune=110.4734136467&r_merkur=ANO&r_uzel=ANO&r_chiron=ANO&tolerance=1&tolerance_paral=1.2&house_system=placidus&&narozeni_den=13&narozeni_mesic=1&narozeni_rok=1983&narozeni_hodina=17&narozeni_minuta=37&narozeni_mesto_hidden=Houston&narozeni_stat_hidden=US&narozeni_podstat_kratky_hidden=TX&narozeni_city=Houston,%20USA,%20Texas&narozeni_sirka_stupne=29&narozeni_sirka_minuty=46&narozeni_sirka_smer=0&narozeni_delka_stupne=95&narozeni_delka_minuty=22&narozeni_delka_smer=1&narozeni_timezone_form=auto&narozeni_timezone_dst_form=auto&&tvar_ukazat=)

Yes Art ... thanks so much for taking the time to find and post your chart. Although it is not the best display of a chart for illustration it certainly is better than having expiration notices on your computer. If you should have access to a friends phone or iPad or your own... with computer access you will be able to see Arts’ chart in much more detail on page #1.

Very interesting Steve.

First of thank you for continuing your description of my chart.  I just learned that by West you mean from an upside down perspective (I'm so new to Astrology, I didn't realize compass directions are inverted).  Please assume I know nothing of Astrology when you describe these things (:

Also, your advise to look at page #1 on another computer.  I think we have established your original photo link does not appear on any computer, the link is dead.

What details are missing from the chart I posted?  How can I get such a chart made?  Is there a different website you got the original, more detailed website from?


I have not specific questions, but I greatly look forward to you expanding on these combinations of planets in houses and what they mean!!


Thank You Steve!

<3

The left side of the chart is the eastern side which is what is coming up in the East at birth.. the right side is the western side—or what is going over the horizon where the Sun goes down. The charts; no they actually came back on both my iPad and iPhone for a time. However, on a computer that may be so. I am not going to try to explain the spiritual lessons involving the computer... suffice it to say the more you get attuned to the divine plan ... the more mischief the divine plays with reality as we thought we have known it.

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w/transits
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additional tables:
https://www.astro.com/tmpd/caw8filepz7V1T-u1588046869/astro_w2gw_art_pinsof.14910.1757.pdf

Yea now your talkin! But will they expire? Do you see what I experienced?

i fix it

How?

I took a screenshot and uploaded it to a free website.

Yes thanks Art I have done the same thing with photo bucket however they smear their name all over the photo now...unlike what they used to do.

I used https://imgbb.com/

also... there must be a way to upload photos directly here... the only options I see are to the "humans" and "nature" folders, which would have shown up on the top of the page, so I didn't do that.

Thanks Art it is another site seeking money and a credit card.

How can you call it free? They require a credit card and payment..

Yes thanks.

You might have clicked the wrong thing.  Give me a call and I’ll help you navigate it sometime if you need.

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