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You are very much an individualist mccoy and the embodiment of peace. You have the ability to think out of the box and independently of others and your culture. You have many experiences with unusual offbeat people and places. Your life is full of meetings with unusual people and places with often different vews than your own. This results in sudden insights and flashes of understanding. This manifests as a result of the fact that when you were born Uranus the Sun and Venus were all close together in the sky. They were in a 'stellium' known as a conjunction of 3 or more planets in astrology. Life will never be dull for you. Maybe sometimes overwhelming. Yet not dull. Nor will you ever be that way towards others. An exciting individual with many insights to give to others and compare with others.

You also have had your share of differences with others and their values. Challenges with the values of others arises in friendships and with close relationships as well. This can be mitigated by expressing yourself differently than you are used to.
Your personal values go through phases. You find that they challenge your wishes and dreams and this can lead to disillusioning friendship.

You have quite a personality; friendly and jovial. It is also a source of lessons for you and in your life. You put a lot of energy into your work but your main life mission is spiritual.

The 'owlets' are on the move. I must attend to them. One of them fell off her perch trying to do the energization exercise-spinal twist. Little hoot just gave me a peck. Never a dull moment! See you soon. Ooooo Ooooo Ooooom

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Quote from: mccoy on Oct 22, 2014 04:24 pm

Steve, but some of those answers are funny, like the one where they say they meditate while fishing. Maybe visualizing a fat catch.

My father used to tell me that meditation developed in India because over there they are starving, so they need to spend as less calories as possible. That also cracked me up.

Some people are encouraged rather than discouraged by denial, so the skepticism of other people motivates rather than discourages. Maybe we are like this, in many aspects I am.

I had some funny discussions with people and meditation, like, Always on oil rigs, a colleauge of mine told me he too would have been able to meditate for long periods, sitting there and thinking about pu$$y. He told it in a funny way so it made me laugh. Then I proceeded to explain to him that such an endeavour could not be defined meditation, rather concentration on a particularly materialistic issue. He did not retort then.

When on offshore rigs there were not many places to meditate and sometimes I just sat where I found a quieter corner. Some workers would see me but, since back then I was pretty fit and muscular, they thought it was all part of fitness training and respected that.

A training mate in the gym used to sit and meditate in a corner. They didn't bother him but once they tested him. 'Hey, man, your fiancee wants to see you in the front office', told him while he was meditating. He should have ignored them instead he stood up and failed the test.

There are more funny or interesting episodes about meditation, right now I'm missing them because I just meditate in seclusion.

Your story, Steve, about meditating in the bush and the policemen is a good one, maybe not to you, lol

Actually i was meditating in the woods. You and I both have Uranus/Sun conjunct in our natal charts. These type of people follow very different courses of action. They can be geniuses in common situations. They can see beyond the common conclusions. i do not say this egotistically but as an astrological fact. Let others judge it's accuracy.

Perhaps you have done very unusual things in the face of public opposition. This would also verify the position of Venus being involved also and having a stellium with Sun/Venus/Uranus. i remember my father telling me; "Son when you were made the mold was thrown out." No doubt you have had similar experiences in life and it might have taken a while to recognize that you were not just a weirdo but actually had the ability to envision a future very different then those around you and a reality that defied the out worn paths followed by the masses.

You mentioned that some people are encouraged rather then discouraged by skepticism and denial of others.
Isn't this because we recognize that the skepticism and denial represent a conformity to ignorance and lack of ability to recognize a more progressive view of thinking and therefore acting?

Steve my bad but, what exactly 'the bush' means in America? In some countries it indicates the Woods or the Wilderness in general. In Africa, it means the jungle.

I did follow different paths. When 7, I asked my mother to take me on a walk with boots, umbrella and winter jacket. Only it was a scorching august day! I remember vaguely that day, the jacket was Yellow. I insisted so much that my mother had to comply. I didn't know why I had that idea I only know I had to do that. I can go on with similar examples.
Sure I didn't mind opposition, if I decided I had to do something I did it, like eating vegetarian or going around with only a T shirt in wintertime with freezing temperatures. The strangest the best, although it had to be legitimate and not unhealthy, I did so many unusual things I can't remember them all now. Before the Rambo film came out, I donned military stuff and took along survival equipment in military pouches. I myself don't know why since I lived in a town with no Woods around.
Like in your case, Steve, my father was very taken aback that I did all that weird stuff.
In common life, walking the unbeaten path can give you a definite edge, or sometimes can be an hindrance, it depends.

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You mentioned that some people are encouraged rather then discouraged by skepticism and denial of others.
Isn't this because we recognize that the skepticism and denial represent a conformity to ignorance and lack of ability to recognize a more progressive view of thinking and therefore acting?

That's a possible and sensible explanation.
That's one way to explain it,

Thanks for your presence Mccoy.

What you are speaking of below is more than just being different and following unusual paths. What you are speaking about is a strong will which is also a characteristic of Sun/Uranus people. It is often necessary to follow our calling. Yet at times it can lead us to obstinacy and difficulties when finding solutions that may better serve us when dealing with other people. Your planets are in the fixed sign of Leo which can even be more inflexible in ways of doing things and personal principles. Like any quality this can be advantageous or a hindrance to personal growth and social life.

Quote from: mccoy on Oct 31, 2014 11:44 pm

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That's a possible and sensible explanation.
That's one way to explain it,

Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Nov 02, 2014 10:15 am

What you are speaking of below is more than just being different and following unusual paths. What you are speaking about is a strong will which is also a characteristic of Sun/Uranus people. It is often necessary to follow our calling. Yet at times it can lead us to obstinacy and difficulties when finding solutions that may better serve us when dealing with other people. Your planets are in the fixed sign of Leo which can even be more inflexible in ways of doing things and personal principles. Like any quality this can be advantageous or a hindrance to personal growth and social life.

That's right, as a matter of fact I had to wait my present age, 50+, to be able to think and act in a more flexible way. Wisdom now is often able to balance that strong pattern which leads to obstinacy and clearly often uneffective or harmful endeavours.

Quote from: mccoy on Nov 02, 2014 11:49 am

Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Nov 02, 2014 10:15 am

i can also be obstinate. i do not know if you saw the film The Bridge Over the River Kwai but Alec Guinness plays a part in which he obstinately sticks to a principle which works against him and ultimately is his own undoing. The film Solaris also had a similar theme. i have been guilty of this at times in my life as well. It is often difficult to know which principles are worth fighting for and which ones are worth letting go in certain incidents. I believe in our spiritual journey we are often being shown the limits of our own ideologies, thought patterns and principles. In many ways they help us but they can also be a stumbling block. I believe you have a point when you say that wisdom can give us the discrimination to know when we should yield to others in our own views.

Following a spiritual discipline demands a certain strength of character. However like everything in this creation that quality is also subject to duality. What we see as a strength in some incidents can be a weakness. Because we are challenged to also bend and be flexible in our approach to others around us. My father once told me: 'You are like steal. You do not bend.' Ofcourse what he was not able to see is that I was just a chip off the old block - He being the block. Yet he still had a legitimate view.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=11784&PIpi=94116

i chose this link and picture because some people seem to actually show more character with age which make them attractive.

Quote from: mccoy on Oct 31, 2014 11:44 pm

Steve...

What exactly 'the bush' means in America? In some countries it indicates the Woods or the Wilderness in general. In Africa, it means the jungle.

I did follow different paths. When 7, I asked my mother to take me on a walk with boots, umbrella and winter jacket. Only it was a scorching august day! I remember vaguely that day, the jacket was Yellow. I insisted so much that my mother had to comply. I didn't know why I had that idea I only know I had to do that. I can go on with similar examples.
Sure I didn't mind opposition, if I decided I had to do something I did it, like eating vegetarian or going around with only a T shirt in wintertime with freezing temperatures. The strangest the best, although it had to be legitimate and not unhealthy, I did so many unusual things I can't remember them all now. Before the Rambo film came out, I donned military stuff and took along survival equipment in military pouches. I myself don't know why since I lived in a town with no Woods around.
Like in your case, Steve, my father was very taken aback that I did all that weird stuff.
In common life, walking the unbeaten path can give you a definite edge, or sometimes can be an hindrance, it depends.

i believe that these episodes in your life are related to past life phenomena. It appears as though you may have been quite a survivalist in the wilderness. Perhaps also in some type of military life.

Interesting thing is that after reading the AOY and taking up meditations I was no more interested in military things, I even signed up as a conscentious objector. The interest came up later with the ruminations you are referring to (aloso based on DAya Mata, bro. Anandamoy's talks and writings), and I subsequently changed my mind officially, that is I resigned as a conscentious objector and started training in the use of fireweapons.

In my case, Steve, it's not easy to figure out my past interests, since my present ones (this life) have been multifarious and I switched from one to the other according to opportunities . What I remember: Sports & fitness, weapons, jazz music (piano), vegetarian cooking, languages, fishing, hiking, rough trekking, archery, firearms shooting, martial arts, dogs training, farming vegetables, backpacking, mathematics, history, philosophy, teaching to professional colleagues, first aid and surely more. Sure I took up geology out of spirit of adventure and physical fitness helped to walk up the hills and mountains to chart outcrops but I also like the engineering part of it.

Bottom line, I gave up trying to figure out what I did in my previous life, but maybe from the few hints I gave you you may be able to figure out more than myself.

Quote from: mccoy on Dec 01, 2014 10:13 pm

i get a sense of physical agility, various forms of offence/defence and adventure as a theme behind many of your interests. This is concurrent with my idea of the military and various forms of exploration. Some people who forged their way through the west in the early pioneer days of the U.S. were much like this. Scouts in war. The Knights of King Arthor, the soldiers of Alaxander the Great, the Vikings and the American Indians were like this. Fishing, hunting and protecting themselves were paramount goals and in the spirit of adventure they often had to use any and all opportunities at hand. Of course this type of exploration happened in many parts of the world and anyone being involved with it would obviously have to have a interest in the lay out of the land to be successful in their travels and survive.

Quote from: mccoy on Feb 08, 2015 07:21 pm

Steve, theoretically it's like you say, but in practice things often change.

You have been burnt by a recent friendship and apparently are not able to get over it yet.

I have been burnt by a friend who, although I gave him full trust, started to take advantage of me. This relates to $$$.

We can write or speak as much as we want. That friendship has ceased to exist to me. I feel betrayed. Also, this episode has undermined the word trust to me. In future and in next lives I'll be much less trusty in business (reads: no trust at all).

You may be rite mccoy. Trust is sometimes given too freely and perhaps we are somewhat naive in the trust we give to those around us. What interests me more is the square you have in your chart from the Sun to Neptune. The house of resources held with others and friendship. i have a similar square in my chart. It often blinds one to the true purpose or intentions of friends. It is a karmic factor working out from previous lifes. The chart always shows us factors we are encountering from previous life episodes. The question to me is how to handle them. This is a spiritual question. We often hope that by placing are writing strategically or by speaking to others that they will grasp what they have done. Even if they can't or will not... at least we tried. Then of course we have our own lessons to learn from such encounters also and to be careful we do not over react and begin a new round of karma for ourselves.

Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Apr 12, 2015 03:27 am

Mccoy
Your chart shows you were born at 3:10 P.M. It also shows this works out to be 14:20 (military time) universal time. I did your chart and it came out looking different with 15:20 as the actual time of birth.. Could you explain?

Steve, I remember when I was 18 I started being interested in natal charts. I asked my mother when I was born exactly and she told me the most likely time was 3:20 PM. When I built my natal chart there was no internet, so I had to do that by tables. The Italian books I used allowed for daylight saving time in Italy, when applied.
I've just looked at the historical data from the Italian agency which deals with time and in 1960 daylight saving time was not applied in Italy, so 3:20 is solar time, what should be actually used in the chart I reckon. I don't know about military time, but the American and allied armies lingered in Italy until the end of the war, 1945 at most, so I doubt it was applied in 1960.

Quote from: mccoy on Apr 12, 2015 09:40 am

Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Apr 12, 2015 03:27 am

Mccoy
Your chart shows you were born at 3:10 P.M. It also shows this works out to be 14:20 universal time. I did your chart and it came out looking the same but it nevertheless apparently universal time is the same as daylight savings. Sorry if I confused u with the term military time. I changed it and meant universal time.Although they appear to b the same.

Steve, I remember when I was 18 I started being interested in natal charts. I asked my mother when I was born exactly and she told me the most likely time was 3:20 PM. When I built my natal chart there was no internet, so I had to do that by tables. The Italian books I used allowed for daylight saving time in Italy, when applied.
I've just looked at the historical data from the Italian agency which deals with time and in 1960 daylight saving time was not applied in Italy, so 3:20 is solar time, what should be actually used in the chart I reckon. I don't know about military time, but the American and allied armies lingered in Italy until the end of the war, 1945 at most, so I doubt it was applied in 1960.

Hello mccoy

I used the term-Military time- it is a method used to measure the time based on a 24 hour clock instead of using two groups of 12 hours each. The military time is more accurate and is more commonly used in the U.S. and Canada than in other countries. We used it way back when we hand constructed charts.
When we do charts we use universal time (sorry to confuse u with the term military time which I deleted. A chart can be constructed using miltary time, as u may already know... with mathematical corrections.) because there r two 3:20 's - one a.m. the other p.m. when using mathematics p.m and a.m. r not factors but u cannot reconcile 14:20 with either 3:20 p.m. or 3:20 a.m. because 14:20 which is clearly stated at the top of your chart works out to b 2:20 p.m. I believe u used universal time because it is on the chart. See universal time on the top rite hand of the chart. It looks like u had this chart done at astro.net They woul have altered the data to make changes for daylight savings if it was used. Computer programs are programmed to make the changes. Does this chart look the same as the one u did years ago?

I did the chart again and it came out looking like the one u illustrated here.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img674/5904/6CWg7y.gif)

steve, my bad about the 'military time', was confused by the 14:10. I've heard it called '24 hours format' and it is Always good to learn new expressions.

The chart you are showing now is exactly the same that I saved as a picture. But now I have some doubts. If in Italy there was no daylight saving time in 1960, the 15:20 time should remain 15:20 and not be decreased to 14:20 by the charting software, what it's called 'universal time' which I take it is the same as military time.

If you confirm the above suspicion, there should be an error either in my data or in the data acquired by the software, I'm going to do more detailed research about this issue.

Steve, I did my research and the results are surprising. I did a natal chart on an Italian site. it applied the -1 hour correction for daylight saving time, turning the 15:20 time to 14:20 time., even as th eEnglish, or America site.

But, after having treble-checked, the data from teh Italian agency which keeps track of timing are clear about it: in Italy from 1948 to 1965 there has been no daylight saving time, so my 15:20 is actually a 15:20 and needs no correction.

The conclusion is that the chart softwares sometiems may apply the wrong correction for Italy in 1960 (an maybe other years as well).

To have the right natal chart in the first software used, I should enter 16:20 as time of Birth, which the software will convert to 15:20 universal , or military time, using the latter to build the chart. Maybe the 2nd software you used did not have such bug and applied the correction correctly, if I understood well after reading your first post again. So the ones with 15:20 as actual tiem of Birth are the right ones.

In the following table, we can see that in Italy daylight saving time was interrupted from 1949 to 1965, starting to be applied again in 1966. I colored the interruption in red.

1916 dalle 24 del 3 giugno alle 24 ora legale del 30 settembre
1917 dalle 24 del 31 marzo alle 24 ora legale del 30 settembre
1918 dalle 24 del 9 marzo alle 24 ora legale del 6 ottobre
1919 dalle 24 del 1 marzo alle 24 ora legale del 4 ottobre
1920 dalle 24 del 20 marzo alle 24 ora legale del 18 settembre
1940 dalle 24 del 14 giugno alla fine dell'anno
1941 per tutto l'anno
1942 dall'inizio dell'anno alle 3 ora legale del 2 novembre
1943 dalle 2 del 29 marzo alle 3 ora legale del 24 ottobre
1944 dalle 2 del 3 aprile alle 2 ora legale del 17 settembre
(solo al Nord Italia)
1945 dalle 2 del 2 aprile all'1 ora legale del 15 settembre
1946 dalle 2 del 17 marzo alle 3 ora legale del 6 ottobre
1947 dalle 00 del 16 marzo all'1 ora legale del 5 ottobre
1948 dalle 2 del 29 febbraio alle 3 ora legale del 3 ottobre
1966 dalle 00 del 22 maggio alle 24 ora legale del 24 settembre
1967 dalle 00 del 28 maggio all'1 ora legale del 24 settembre
1968 dalle 00 del 26 maggio all'1 ora legale del 22 settembre

Quote from: mccoy on Apr 12, 2015 02:36 pm

i think we should explore this idea of universal time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Time You see whether Italy has daylight savings time or not it has to conform to Greenwich meantime so that a chart can be composed with the right placement of the planets and houses. No matter where you are born the time of your birth has to be converted to Greenwich meantime because that time is used as a universal time that all ephemeris are using. In simpler terms; We do not have the position of the planets from every part of the earth. We subtract and add as a result of time differences from Greenwich England. Greenwich meantime refers to solar time not human made time references. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time

Good, Steve, so it's settled, Universal time being Greenwich time, all things add up.

My previous concerns about the softwares do not hold, they are correct, 15:20 becomes -1 hence 14:20. In a year where SDT is on, the conversion should be -2, but in 1960 the -1 conversion from Italian DST to UT is all right.

The chart you showed previously appears to be the right one. I don't think there are any residual doubts about it.

I tried out the astrodienst chart with same Birth time and year=1970, when DST was on in Italy. It correctly converts to -2 Universal Time. KK

per M N (maschile)

data di nascita 10 agosto 1970 ora locale: 15:30
in Pescara, ITALY U.T.: 13:30 14e13, 42n28 ora sid.: 11:41:19

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Quote from: SpiritImage on Jun 10, 2015 10:08 pm

Interesting, I don't usually think in demonic terms, for example in this case I just chalk it up to not having enough will power, control, experience, etc., to just sit down and click right into meditation, sure the underlying cause might be demonic, but those thoughts seem to be demolished as soon as I realize it's me that needs to improve with God's help. In other words, I know it's possible and I should be able to do it, regardless of the reason.

Spirit image, I agree with what you say but I have been looking back often, I've been meditating for 36 years now sometimes imposing upon my self a harsh and continuos discipline, but restlessness has never left me. The only explanation I find is that a demon is trying his best to frustrate my effort. Of course the demon makes use of karma and enhances the negative karmic influences which in my case would enhance the natural restlessness. of the mind. I can feel the malevolent intelligence behind it.

The advantage of noticing this is that it becomes a personal issue. That is, not giving satisfaction to that demon becomes a priority, so meditation becomes a double priority.

Mccoy the energy field of people who have Uranus connected to their Sun in a strong way often is quite restless but at the same time inventive and creative and energetic and magnetic. I noticed you also have a T square in your chart which works out in your 5th house of self-expression. So there is the dynamic aspect of a Sun-Moon opposition involved with Neptune square. It works out in the 5th house of self-expression so you need an outlet for your creativity and your self expression in your life and to find fulfilling pleasure. Your hopes and dreams are challenged because of contrasting values you find with life circumstances and people who come in your life. It is constructive in that it gives an urge to look beyond temporary satisfactions of this life and helps you find new ways of of self expression that include others even though their are differences.

No doubt your activities here are a channel for self expression as well and without you here it would be drab. It often provides contrast and a different slant on views. We were not made to be alike but to find our own way to the mountain top. We can compare experiences though and there is so much to learn from everyone. I find your spirit very receptive to understanding the views of others. It is rather contagious. I need to learn from it.

An interesting facet of your chart is the 8th house emphasis. There is a power trio there-Sun Uranus and Venus with another planet in the 2nd house. As you may know both of these houses portend to values: Your values and other peoples values. Values are a big thing in your life. Also where u came from; your roots. Other peoples values r something u are faced with thru most of your live and u a re learning much about life thru their values. Your social life takes on very unusual turns of events to help u gain insights thru the wisdom and differences you find in those who enter your life. It cannot b looked at as boring or uneventful in this sense. As you can see the second house has the Moon in it. So you see your values go thru phases and are affected quite a bit over the years by the people you come in contact with. You are now going thru a self critical time in your life that has much responsibility placed on you in your environment this i say in April of 2016 so it will not be confused when some one may read it years from now. The self critical period is temporary whereas what i said about values is a life long decision.

Your Sun is placed within 1 degree of my Nadir a point that relates to the past. A past we once shared- not this life- a distant one. We lived in a more higher economic situation and associated with more wealth. Today we have a deeper and more important wealth we share: spirituality. Perhaps we may visit again if you ever make it to the states. For now i cannot see visiting Italy... though there is much to love about your country!

Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Apr 14, 2016 03:40 pm

Quote from: mccoy on Apr 14, 2016 02:11 pm

Steve, speaking of places, where is the thread where we posted pictures and you were asking for some pics of places in my area. I was about to attach some images but I could not find the thread.

Great! It is under "Arts and Creative Expression" : Child Board; Visual Arts/Photos-Thread.... Meditation Nite/Photos/mccoy/hydonus

Pictures are in this area or Meditation/Meditation Pictures i put ours under visual art and photos because i did not think that were specifically referring to meditation.

Mccoy it has been almost 5 years since we frequented this discussion. I briefly searched thru some of the charting in this-your chart-thread to see some of the the discussions we had. What I wanted to tell you -which I do not believe we/I discussed before - are the many fated signifiers in your life. Your life is very fated in many ways. I intend to elaborate on this as time unfolds and more fated events transpire. The most recent ones in the last few years involved shared values with others and having to make adjustments in your own personal environment. This life has often brought hardships into your environment (witness the present coronavirus epidemic and family responsibilities that have a rather fated quality but also the fated quality of your American visit to the United Clones) to make life rather self critical thru the balancing factor of having to deal with the countering forces of other people’s approaches and shared values you have with others who enter your personal life.

Quote from: mccoy on Mar 27, 2023 06:34 pm

Christopher's Chart

This person has many predestined traits and relationships that he has no choice but to adapt to as seen by the dotted lines in the chart which relate to such characteristics; fated in life’s circumstances.
The Saturn/Venus conjunction shows the difficult social interactions fated by the Moon which is the past.

Christopher has a titter totter chart set up which shows a definite duality in expression …. Sometimes explosive 🧨 at other times quite serious and reserved socially speaking. These emotional ups and downs are a result of inner tensions.

There is considerable age differences with others that give the ability for sudden awareness that can quite change Christopher’s life.

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Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Apr 01, 2023 02:24 am

Would like to put together a sidereal chart for you and Chris as well. I consider a sidereal chart somewhat more spiritual because it is more dependent on the correct location of the stars and not the ego orientation of western astrology based on the seasons and the Sun.

Great! Do you need further info?

Not at this point mccoy. I have had an interest in tropical astrology since being a teen ager. Yet like many other indoctrinations of western society that we have been conditioned by, I have also been conditioned by western views on astrology. If you are interested I would suggest you follow my thread on sidereal astrology as well, since it is related to our interests of a binary system in astronomy as well. I say this because as a result of a binary star to our sun or another explanation, we have what is called Vedic astrology which differs quite a bit in the placement of the astrological signs. As a result the two charts I’m going to put up now for your son Chris and you will look different than the charts we have been looking at before. That is because they are showing the factor of the procession of the equinoxes which brings back all the calculations 23-24 degrees from where they are in the tropical or western chart diagrams we were looking at before.

Quote from: mccoy on Apr 03, 2023 12:51 am

Steve, I'm curious about this sidereal horoscope and I'll appreciate it if you are going to comment briefly on the chart, since I forgot all the interpretative details

Thanks mccoy perhaps this time we can grow and understand together, since astrology when used correctly is a tool for the evolutionary progression of the soul through and out of it’s imprisonment of bodily consciousness and confinement. You have also helped in my understanding of the procession of the equinoxes and a binary astronomical system for the solar system we presently inhabit. Let us move forward in our understanding and how it affects our personal lives and our souls recognition. Slowly releasing the grip of the ego on everything we encounter in this human dimension.

Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Apr 02, 2023 07:08 am

Below is a sidereal chart of Mccoy’s birth.

And this is his tropical chart;

(http://imageshack.com/a/img674/5904/6CWg7y.gif)

It may be easier to use imageshack.com which you used to bring your chart mccoy. Are you happy with their services and do you have to pay?

Getting to your chart mccoy … this brings up an important point you and I have been chatting about for some time. That is the procession of the equinoxes. Notice that the Sun and our solar system has drifted 23-24 degrees backwards in the past few hundred years so now instead of having a Leo Sun mccoy has a Cancer Sun in the sidereal chart ⬇️ The Sun and Uranus clearly show up in Cancer ♋️ now in the 9th house instead of the 8th in the tropical version. Initially this appears to make more sense to me since the 9th house signifies religious and philosophical beliefs and views. And also with your emphasis on family life Cancer reflects the home and strong family connections.

Remember if we give 30 degrees per sign and subtract 23 degrees from a 14 degree Leo Sun we will get an approximate 21 degree Cancer Sun. If we look 👇 you will see that is the case.
Get it ? 16 degrees from Leo and and another about 9 degrees from Cancer which adds up to 24 degrees minus for the planets and your Sun drifting against the ‘fixed’ stars.

Looked an different way you can take the 16 degrees from 30 degrees of the sign Leo and get 14 degrees which is your tropical Sun position. Then subtract 9 from 30 degrees and get 21 degrees of cancer when which the correct position in relation to the stars. Nine and sixteen are close to the 23-24 degree change due to the procession factor.

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Notice in this calculation below….

Your Sun is placed at a few seconds away from 21 degrees of ♋️ Cancer. That is 9 degrees from the end of the sign. In the tropical placement the Sun, it is at approximately 14 degrees (of Leo) which is 16 degrees away from the end of the sign. Add 16 and 9 and you get 25 degree’s which is close to the 24 degree I mentioned earlier that must be accounted for because of the real position of the stars and some seasonal idea of the signs - which questionably should even be considered for the southern hemisphere.

Hope this can be understood. If not please ask questions. We must also consider that different experts have some differences of opinion as to just how long the procession of the equinoxes lasts until bringing our solar system full circle ⭕️ Between 24,000 and 26,000 years. If we use Sri Yukteswar’s view it would be closer to 24,000 years because at times this procession is faster than at other times. All these factors, no doubt will become more accurate as time moves forward in our planetary evolution and we will also be able to construct a more accurate chart as astrologers as well. This will be more apparent as eastern astrologers accept the western astronomy that has made discovery of trans-Saturn planets and western astrologers accept the place of our little earth in a galaxy framework with the stars, instead of just a localized solar system having its influence from the planets and only the light of the Sun and Moon.

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On further observation of this solar chart I think it fits your life better since you have influences from other countries which is typical of people with strong 9th house placements. Also your Moon was shown in the sign Aquarius in the tropical chart. I believe the moon shown in your third house here in the sidereal chart and also in Capricorn more accurately describes your cautious practical side of communication which is the meaning of the third house; communication.

Notice that both charts have the same angular relationships to planets and points of the chart. As an example Sun conjunct Uranus is in both charts. By the way that is the same combination I have. And it may interest you to know that Uranus rules astrology thus being strong in both our charts. However subtle changes out shown. Now Venus is separated by sign and so the conjunction of Sun/Uranus is somewhat tempered by the lessening influence of the social and artistic aspects and place instead in the attraction to a career or standing in the world with Venus still shining in ♌️ Leo but in the attraction of a career, instead of the 8th house of mysteries as shown in the tropical chart.

Quote from: mccoy on Apr 05, 2023 11:32 pm

Thanks Steve, I understand the difference, which is quite substantial, by now you must have noticed that the sidereal method fits individuals better than the classic method.

Yes I’m changing in many ways and astrology is one of them. I can’t really see a rational pretext for example Aries reflecting new beginnings in spring and a pioneer approach in people born in Aries with spring like beginnings; while in Australia it is the beginning of fall there. Would we say they too have Aries qualities? Hmmm

Although I hope you remember the basic geometry of astrology still is the same in both systems. In many ways, including religion and science, people who have a whole reputation of seeing things one way; have difficulty changing to new evidence provided. I do not wish to be that kind of person.

I have also used the whole house system of 30 degrees per sign for the sidereal system which may have some quite different results if I take into account that signs look much different according to where we are born on the earths surface. Take for instance people born in Alaska. The astrological signs would be quite skewed from a visual perspective with many interceptions. Perhaps there are some new terms here, for some of you, and I hope to explain more for those interested.

I intend to put together a transit chart for you and perhaps Eric if he is interested. We should remember that everything-including the rising sign and transits-must be taken back about 24 degrees for the procession of the equinoxes. So the predictions I made about the intense life changes of Eric happening a few years back are still true because when Pluto crossed his ascendant it was still happening; just about 24 degrees back but at the same time I predicted.

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