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Title: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 02, 2015 10:46 pm
And your thinking about having kids!
http://www.businessinsider.com/melting-ice-caps-antarctica-science-global-warming-2015-3


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 07, 2015 04:55 pm
Human beings are an invasive species. They choke out the wetlands, forests ocean and water life all in the name of progress.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on May 07, 2015 09:37 pm
I believe the clean environment of the past is gone. Only a major disaster or plague could get us back to those days.
Antartica ice melting might trigger such a disaster.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 01, 2015 08:27 pm
http://www.census.gov/population/international/data/idb/worldpopgraph.php

The world population increased from 3 billion in 1959 to 6 billion by 1999, a doubling that occurred over 40 years. The Census Bureau's latest projections imply that population growth will continue into the 21st century, although more slowly. The world population is projected to grow from 6 billion in 1999 to 9 billion by 2044, an increase of 50 percent that is expected to require 45 years.

When population is cotrolled to the extent that there is free land in Italy please tell me and I will try to find a way to get there and live. In the meantime please promote gay marriage to help cut down population. People-including myself- are having dificulty finding work, eating and having a place to live - THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE UNITED CLONES OF CLONELAND.

http://www.multpl.com/united-states-population/table

If we look at this article we will also see the increase in population in Europe - including Italy - over the centuries.

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25061-Historical-populations-of-Europe-changing-proportions

Now if we look at other coninety over population is nothing but catastrophic. If we all become gay there may be some hope!


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Jul 01, 2015 10:46 pm
As Reverend Thomas Bayes, the eminent statistician and mathematician  goes: 'Data speak for themselves'.

So what I was writing (and hoping) in the other post, is clearly not all true.
America has a linear positive growth trend .
UK population si increasing, that's why Cameron is saying NO to let African immigrants into.
German population is decreasing with a minor late increase due probably to immigration
France population is increasing, that's why they don't want African immigrants crossing the border from Italy
Italy has zero growth. That's why the main European states want us to keep the African immigrants.

One positive aspect: America has now the smaller growth rate after tha big slump in the '30s. This is not evident in the main chart (population versus year) whereas is very evident in the specific chart

http://www.multpl.com/us-population-growth-rate

of course it's not enough not to cause a net increase in population but it's a decreasing trend anyway.

Italy has definitely reached zero growth in the last years. There are no jobs, no money to get married nor a future for kids. So maybe we can say Italian people are responsible in their present plight.

(http://images.tuttitalia.it/grafici/italia/grafico-andamento-popolazione-italia.png)



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Jul 01, 2015 10:59 pm
When population is cotrolled to the extent that there is free land in Italy please tell me and I will try to find a way to get there and live. In the meantime please promote gay marriage to help cut down population. People-including myself- are having dificulty finding work, eating and having a place to live - THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE UNITED CLONES OF CLONELAND.

Steve, unfortunately, as you yourself are aware of, gay marriage cannot be the solution simply because gay people  will be attracted to the same gender regardless of the possibility of marriage or legal union.

Also, people usually do not choose their sexual orientation, so we cannot expect that the trend will change significantly, unless there is some self-preserving mechanism in the planet. governed by some demigod which presides it, which triggers an increase in homosexual behaviour when population increases. this sounds like the stuff of fiction and there is no known historical evidence whatsoever.
 


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Jul 02, 2015 02:28 am
Also, people usually do not choose their sexual orientation,

Do you mean physically or mentally?




Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Jul 02, 2015 11:12 pm
Also, people usually do not choose their sexual orientation,
Do you mean physically or mentally?

SI, I mean that apparently real homosexuals are born with such a tendency, they have masculine traits in a feminine body and the other way around. Real gays have no choice as to being gay or not, nor heteros have.

So we cannot really say that encouraging gay proclivities would alter significantly population growth, since heteros would never become gays.
I could never say: "OK, from now on I'll become gay for the sake of environment and society"


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Jul 02, 2015 11:36 pm
SI, I mean that apparently real homosexuals are born with such a tendency, they have masculine traits in a feminine body and the other way around. Real gays have no choice as to being gay or not, nor heteros have.

A persons karmic state and mastery of the mind may not even be evolved enough to see right from wrong.

You still have the power to choose how to deal with it, if you have evolved enough to see correctly.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 03, 2015 06:17 am
As Reverend Thomas Bayes, the eminent statistician and mathematician  goes: 'Data speak for themselves'.

So what I was writing (and hoping) in the other post, is clearly not all true.
America has a linear positive growth trend .
UK population si increasing, that's why Cameron is saying NO to let African immigrants into.
German population is decreasing with a minor late increase due probably to immigration
France population is increasing, that's why they don't want African immigrants crossing the border from Italy
Italy has zero growth. That's why the main European states want us to keep the African immigrants.

One positive aspect: America has now the smaller growth rate after tha big slump in the '30s. This is not evident in the main chart (population versus year) whereas is very evident in the specific chart

http://www.multpl.com/us-population-growth-rate

of course it's not enough not to cause a net increase in population but it's a decreasing trend anyway.

Italy has definitely reached zero growth in the last years. There are no jobs, no money to get married nor a future for kids. So maybe we can say Italian people are responsible in their present plight.

(http://images.tuttitalia.it/grafici/italia/grafico-andamento-popolazione-italia.png)



http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population/italy.htm

Since Christs birth Italy has gone from 5 million to 60 million people.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Jul 03, 2015 06:11 pm
Since Christs birth Italy has gone from 5 million to 60 million people.

Steve, by all means, there has been an exponential growth historically. Presently though, in some nations like Italy and Germany, the trend has stopped and the growth may even be zero.
the nations which govern overpopulation are of course the most populated ones: China, India, Indonesia and others, we should focus our attention there since evena small growth means huge numbers


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 04, 2015 10:39 pm
Since Christs birth Italy has gone from 5 million to 60 million people.

Steve, by all means, there has been an exponential growth historically. Presently though, in some nations like Italy and Germany, the trend has stopped and the growth may even be zero.
the nations which govern overpopulation are of course the most populated ones: China, India, Indonesia and others, we should focus our attention there since evena small growth means huge numbers

This is not a world that can be compartmentalizing  into one country and another with different values. This is a world today in which we all are dependent upon one another for survival.

It is as simple as this; having two children shows a lack of understanding of the tremendous spiraling of increase in births in the world. Why? Because if you have more than one child those kids may easily have 2 or more a piece. This is multiplying an already over crowded earth and further destroying a delicate environment here on mother earth. If marriage is to have kids then marriage will eventually be seen as the act that causes mass starvation, the destruction of the environment and the possession of all suitable and enjoyable habitats. Having many children of your own, from your spouse, is nothing less then blatant selfishness to humanity. In today's world of less and less food, less and less land, less and less rescources and more and more destruction to the environment let us look at humamity and it's needs instead of fulfilling all our personal desires.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Aug 05, 2015 07:38 pm
Isn't this is in God's hands?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 05, 2015 08:53 pm
Isn't this is in God's hands?

Who is having all the children? God? Not very many of his representatives have any children at all. What we dobthis world we must take esponsibility for. Humans are the cause of the destruction   of mother earth and her environment. Not God.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Aug 05, 2015 09:40 pm
Not what I meant.  ::)


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 05, 2015 09:44 pm
Not what I meant.  ::)

Ah but you still have not explained what you meant if it was other than what it read.  :-*


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Aug 05, 2015 10:08 pm
I'm too lazy to type in multiple paragraphs that would probably end being misconstrued anyhow,sorry.  :-[


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 05, 2015 10:45 pm
I'm too lazy to type in multiple paragraphs that would probably end being misconstrued anyhow,sorry.  :-[

Sorry if i may have misconstrued your comments. Communication is nothing less then an art which I definately have not mastered.

I remember John Kerry telling the truth about Viet Nam unfortunately it might have cost him the presidential election. But look at him now; the secretary of state of the U.S. Clones. Somwhere along the line he now has the task of being  the number one diplomat in conversations.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Aug 05, 2015 10:51 pm
Steve, it's hyronical that you are so much concerned about the future state of the planet whereas people who have a spawn are so little concerned.

Personally I do not worry at all. Excessive population will mean epidemics, starvation, social unrest, wars. All these will achieve the purpose which cannot be achieved by more sensible means: a decrease in population or a destruction of human life on earth, the human cancer will be wiped out, no more problems, no more concerns.

Your voice alas is not going to make any difference at all, nor mine, nor SI's.

Sorry for being so negative but I see little or no possibility to check population growth in the world. This because western populations can be convinced, eastern and underdeveloped countries cannot. Can we apportion the blame to the other countries? I think so since many western countries like Italy display zero growth whereas the poorest countries display significant growth..
Any solutions? I'm afraid not. Just the catastrophic scenario above envisaged.
Unless someone starts thinking about Nuking the poorest and underdeveloped countries, before global doom is reached...


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 05, 2015 11:12 pm
Steve, it's hyronical that you are so much concerned about the future state of the planet whereas people who have a spawn are so little concerned.

Personally I do not worry at all. Excessive population will mean epidemics, starvation, social unrest, wars. All these will achieve the purpose which cannot be achieved by more sensible means: a decrease in population or a destruction of human life on earth, the human cancer will be wiped out, no more problems, no more concerns.

Your voice alas is not going to make any difference at all, nor mine, nor SI's.

Sorry for being so negative but I see little or no possibility to check population growth in the world. This because western populations can be convinced, eastern and underdeveloped countries cannot. Can we apportion the blame to the other countries? I think so since many western countries like Italy display zero growth whereas the poorest countries display significant growth..
Any solutions? I'm afraid not. Just the catastrophic scenario above envisaged.
Unless someone starts thinking about Nuking the poorest and underdeveloped countries, before global doom is reached...

I guess a 'hyronical' person like Hydonus does hyronical things.  ;D
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita

If we look at who makes the most use of energy and rescources thus the most destruction to environment.... We will find the countries to be 'nuked' for population inflation are not the third world countries at all but rather our countries mccoy.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 06, 2015 01:45 am
"The loss of our natural wonder in chaotic sprawl." Bobby Kennedy."



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Aug 06, 2015 09:50 am
If we look at who makes the most use of energy and rescources thus the most destruction to environment.... We will find the countries to be 'nuked' for population inflation are not the third world countries at all but rather our countries mccoy.

Ah well, Steve, now I'm sure you'll make a favour to a friend and let me know that beforehand, I'll make sure to move to Senegal or Myanmar or Bangladesh before the nuclear warheads are discharged, lol


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Aug 06, 2015 11:31 pm
There's a fine line between not worrying about things that haven't happened yet, and, preparing for the future.





Title: Gays have the Edge
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Sep 19, 2015 04:28 pm
As reported on the 2000 Census, about 65,000 children lived with same sex parents. In 2012, 110,000 live with gay parents in the United States. Not only are many adoptions needed for an over populated earth but recent studies have found that gay people who adopt children are more motivated then hetrosexuals and children often are more open minded, tolerant and are just as mentally and emotionally equipped.

Brodzinsky told LiveScience, gays and lesbians are highly interested in adoption as a group. The 2007 report by the Urban Institute also found that more than half of gay men and 41 percent of lesbians in the U.S. would like to adopt. That adds up to an estimated 2 million gay people who are interested in adoption. It's a huge reservoir of potential parents who could get kids out of the instability of the foster system, Brodzinsky said.

This is one of the most important and constructive ways of  population control and finding homes for children in modern history. Furthermore we may be able to rid ourselves of the bigotry found in Christianity and Republican meddling and intolerance in other peoples lifestyles.

See below:

Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum told a New Hampshire audience that children are better off with a father in prison than being raised in a home with lesbian parents and no father at all. And last Monday (Jan. 9), Pope Benedict called gay marriage a threat "to the future of humanity itself," citing the need for children to have heterosexual homes. It is obvious by these type of remarks why right wing religion and conservative politics work hand hand to create bigotry and intolerance for the freedom of choice in lifestyles of people with differing views then someone else's. Some people just want to make everyone into their image and have no respect for the fact that there are many people with different views then their own!

http://www.livescience.com/17913-advantages-gay-parents.html



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Sep 19, 2015 10:39 pm
Don't worry Santorum wont win, it'll be either clinton or bush.

But I wonder, why is this topic so compelling?


Title: Re: Gays have the Edge
Post by: mccoy on Sep 19, 2015 10:56 pm
....Some people just want to make everyone into their image and have no respect for the fact that there are many people with different views then their own!

That's very true but it should be true both ways.
Respect should be shown by gays to those who are intolerant of gays , since there are many people with different views then their own!

Gays are starting to govern America, they want equal rights: they have it, they want gay marriage: they get it,. What next, less rights to heteros? Gays must rule society?

Steve, it's not the same as racial prejudice. Another race will exhibit the same abilities of the White race, given equal opportunities, whereas gays are often mentally ill and unstable.
They cannot be given by reason equal rights. The fact that they are obtaining it is an index of modern society's degradation.


Title: Re: Gays have the Edge
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Sep 20, 2015 12:38 pm
....Some people just want to make everyone into their image and have no respect for the fact that there are many people with different views then their own!

That's very true but it should be true both ways.
Respect should be shown by gays to those who are intolerant of gays , since there are many people with different views then their own!

Gays are starting to govern America, they want equal rights: they have it, they want gay marriage: they get it,. What next, less rights to heteros? Gays must rule society?

Steve, it's not the same as racial prejudice. Another race will exhibit the same abilities of the White race, given equal opportunities, whereas gays are often mentally ill and unstable.
They cannot be given by reason equal rights. The fact that they are obtaining it is an index of modern society's degradation.

If that is the case it also should work further. If those who are intolerant of gays should be respected, then it should follow that gays who are intolerant of straights should also be respected. i have never seen this over the years but instead have heard slanderous remarks about gays while not hearing such remarks from gays about straights. Sorry mccoy i have found most mental illness in straights and not in gays. But perhaps that is because i have had much more exposure to straights. In my experience of relationships with straights i have found  much more mental illness and i am trained in psychology. i have also found that societies degradation is mostly from straights because of over population problems that results in pollution, urban sprawl and global warming. Degradation can also be seen in high divorce rates, rape, sexual slavery, battering, physical abuse, and prostitution to name a few these are for the most part seen in behavior of heterosexuals.

Just playing the angels advocate for your benefit.  :D


Title: Re: Gays have the Edge
Post by: SpiritImage on Sep 20, 2015 08:21 pm
Sorry mccoy i have found most mental illness in straights and not in gays. But perhaps that is because i have had much more exposure to straights. In my experience of relationships with straights i have found  much more mental illness and i am trained in psychology.

I worked in restaurants in the 80's with lots of gay waiters. They have the same issues as everyone else, no more, no less.


Title: Re: Gays have the Edge
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Sep 21, 2015 03:10 pm
Sorry mccoy i have found most mental illness in straights and not in gays. But perhaps that is because i have had much more exposure to straights. In my experience of relationships with straights i have found  much more mental illness and i am trained in psychology.

I worked in restaurants in the 80's with lots of gay waiters. They have the same issues as everyone else, no more, no less.

Here in Clone land we now have a law forbidding people to drive without seat belts. Many people protested that it curbed their freedom to do what they wanted. Yet you see those who did not wear them had more of a chance of affecting everyone. This is because their risk of being harmed, if an accident occurred, is much higher. This would bring up the cost of insurance for everyone. It makes little difference if you are a gay or if you choose to have sex with a shoe. The law still applies.

This same type of mentality is now used in China because the more children people have the more it affects everyone. So you see  freedom is often just a word that is often used to mean a lack of social responsibility. In China this has already been recognized. In this sense communism, can in some incidents reflect a higher sense of social responsibility to others.

In the same way free countries will eventually realize that having more and more children is actually curbing the rights and freedoms of everyone and will be considered nothing less than selfishness.


Title: Re: Gays have the Edge
Post by: SpiritImage on Sep 21, 2015 06:49 pm
Here in Clone land we now have a law forbidding people to drive without seat belts. Many people protested that it curbed their freedom to do what they wanted. Yet you see those who did not wear them had more of a chance of affecting everyone. This is because their risk of being harmed, if an accident occurred, is much higher. This would bring up the cost of insurance for everyone. It makes little difference if you are a gay or if you choose to have sex with a shoe. The law still applies.

This same type of mentality is now used in China because the more children people have the more it affects everyone. So you see  freedom is often just a word that is often used to mean a lack of social responsibility. In China this has already been recognized. In this sense communism, can in some incidents reflect a higher sense of social responsibility to others.

In the same way free countries will eventually realize that having more and more children is actually curbing the rights and freedoms of everyone and will be considered nothing less than selfishness.

Are you talking about over population?


Title: Overpopulation leads to social economic and ecological disaster.
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Sep 22, 2015 12:39 am
Here in Clone land we now have a law forbidding people to drive without seat belts. Many people protested that it curbed their freedom to do what they wanted. Yet you see those who did not wear them had more of a chance of affecting everyone. This is because their risk of being harmed, if an accident occurred, is much higher. This would bring up the cost of insurance for everyone. It makes little difference if you are a gay or if you choose to have sex with a shoe. The law still applies.

This same type of mentality is now used in China because the more children people have the more it affects everyone. So you see  freedom is often just a word that is often used to mean a lack of social responsibility. In China this has already been recognized. In this sense communism, can in some incidents reflect a higher sense of social responsibility to others.

In the same way free countries will eventually realize that having more and more children is actually curbing the rights and freedoms of everyone and will be considered nothing less than selfishness.

Are you talking about over population?

Yes. Over population has its effects at every level of social consciousness. It limits ability to buy property and buy a house. It ruins the environment. It causes global warming. It causes pollution. It causes damage to our lakes and rivers. It causes urban sprawl. It brings up costs of everything. It causes mass starvation. It causes destruction to natural life. It limits land to enjoy without paying exhortatant fees. It destroys the wetlands and natural forests. It causes increased violence. It creates more and more private property and less and less public land... to name a few.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Sep 22, 2015 03:47 am
Solutions.

Colonizing the moon....

And just as we traversed the sea's to colonize 'new land' i am hesitant and think history may find ways to repeat itself as we attempt to 'establish order'.

My thoughts. We will preach unification but will continue to squabble amongst each other on earth. It'll take time...

We're in for an interesting ride!


Title: Re: Overpopulation leads to social economic and ecological disaster.
Post by: SpiritImage on Sep 22, 2015 05:11 am
Yes. Over population has its effects at every level of social consciousness. It limits ability to buy property and buy a house. It ruins the environment. It causes global warming. It causes pollution. It causes damage to our lakes and rivers. It causes urban sprawl. It brings up costs of everything. It causes mass starvation. It causes destruction to natural life. It limits land to enjoy without paying exhortatant fees. It destroys the wetlands and natural forests. It causes increased violence. It creates more and more private property and less and less public land... to name a few.

I think things will bother you if you so choose. (I know who am I to talk)

But I digress, I don't think the problem is over population. I think it's very poor planning, and very large political failures.

Reducing population does not guarantee it will fix all problems you mention.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Sep 22, 2015 05:14 am
Colonizing the moon....

And just as we traversed the sea's to colonize 'new land' i am hesitant and think history may find ways to repeat itself as we attempt to 'establish order'.

Independence Day, that movie was about aliens that did just that. Go from planet to planet and suck dry resources. Of course we (not we, they) would do that if we moved anywhere else.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Sep 22, 2015 10:29 pm
Solutions.
Colonizing the moon....

Odddang, there are the Galileo exoplanets now to colonize, far mor epromising than the moon.

Let's tell that to Steve, before he starts again with his usual complaining sermon....

Lol, where is the 'poke' smiley??

Here it is , even though a bit cruel, Steve, pls put on your protection googles!

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fighting/eye-poke-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Sep 23, 2015 03:27 am
http://countrymeters.info/en/World (http://countrymeters.info/en/World)

mccoy found this to help understand just how much population is increasing. It is great illustrative device.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Sep 23, 2015 07:00 am
Fun link, much like watching the deficit increase.

I could post links debunking the over population crisis, but I found them pretty easily.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 05, 2015 02:59 am
Fun link, much like watching the deficit increase.

I could post links debunking the over population crisis, but I found them pretty easily.

This does not sound like a world with no population problems.

http://news.yahoo.com/tip-iceberg-no-end-sight-migrant-wave-113332818.html

While over a half million people have crossed the Mediterranean to Europe this year, more than double the figure for all of 2014, that is only a fraction of the people who are on the move. Some 4 million have fled Syria after more than four years of civil war, and 8 million have been displaced inside the country. And it's not just Syrians. It's Iraqis and Iranians, Afghans and Eritreans.

The EU acknowledged the scale of the problem last week, even after it approved a plan to toughen border controls and provide at least 1 billion euros ($1.1 billion) to help Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan care for refugees living in their countries. The first new border measures won't take effect until November, and a proposal for strengthening the EU border agency is due in December.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Oct 06, 2015 07:23 pm
Again I think it's very poor planning, and very large political failures. Not specifically because there's too many people.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 07, 2015 04:47 pm
Again I think it's very poor planning, and very large political failures. Not specifically because there's too many people.

I concur with u. However a lack of balance with mother earth and taking from her more than giving back only aggravates the situation. With our current life styles our planet can only sustain so much abuse and more and more people compounds the problems.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Oct 07, 2015 09:33 pm
I concur with u. However a lack of balance with mother earth and taking from her more than giving back only aggravates the situation. With our current life styles our planet can only sustain so much abuse and more and more people compounds the problems.

And we need to make better plans.

I was in China a while ago, riding a bus, looking out the window in the cities, seems like every single square inch has been uncovered, every spot manhandled in some way. Yes lots of people. But it is obvious that there are no restrictive laws, or anyone who might care.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Oct 08, 2015 12:37 am
Steve, regarding the refugees from Syria, that's not directly related to overpopulation, rather to the war scenario. People are simply running away from an increasingly unlivable country.

Immigration from Africa is more directly related to ovrpopulation, famine, poverty, unemployment, political hatred, and so on. In Africa overpopulation is not the worse problem yet, they've got huge spaces but they've got too often the worse social structures in the world.


I beleive that overpopulation is a relative concept. If a planetary economy  is able to manage a huge number of people and give them jobs, food, decent accomodation, leaving the environment clean, then there is no overpopulation.

Earth's economy is just the opposite. Facts suggest that earth is overpopulated in relation to the countries' abillity to sustain people and environment. This with strong unbalance in different parts of the world.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 09, 2015 06:29 am
Steve, regarding the refugees from Syria, that's not directly related to overpopulation, rather to the war scenario. People are simply running away from an increasingly unlivable country.

Immigration from Africa is more directly related to ovrpopulation, famine, poverty, unemployment, political hatred, and so on. In Africa overpopulation is not the worse problem yet, they've got huge spaces but they've got too often the worse social structures in the world.


I beleive that overpopulation is a relative concept. If a planetary economy  is able to manage a huge number of people and give them jobs, food, decent accomodation, leaving the environment clean, then there is no overpopulation.

Earth's economy is just the opposite. Facts suggest that earth is overpopulated in relation to the countries' abillity to sustain people and environment. This with strong unbalance in different parts of the world.

"Facts suggest that earth is overpopulated in relation to the countries' ability to sustain people and environment." Very insightful comment Mccoy. i would add only this to it though: Facts suggest that earth is overpopulated in relation to the countries' ability to sustain people and environment in a world community.  Today it is not just one countries ability to sustain an environment but we are speaking about a global community and population. What has happened in Fukishima effects much larger areas than Japan. What is happening in North Korea, Russia and the middle east is effecting the world community. What is happening here in Cloneland is effecting huge rain forests in South America. So you see we can not isolate population problems to one area. It is the perceived needs of countries that have large populations that effect the world community.

We can no longer think of isolated countries and their ability to sustain life but we must consider what growth is doing to other countries as well. The huge growth of population in China and India effect the global economy. These countries lower the wages and quality of life of other nations because goods are brought in from over populated countries and undercut the economic welfare and quality of living of nations they export to. They not only create lower living standards for themselves because of over population but also for other countries as well. There are very rich people that take advantage of the situation and own stores like Walmart which act like ripple effect putting most local competitors out of business that were supporting local economies and businesses.

i believe that much of this has to do with greed and living outwardly rewarding sensory lives instead of inward bliss oriented lives.
As long as there is mass selfishness it will be very difficult for large groups of people to live together on this planet. As we have seen war breaks out. If there were fewer people there would would be more of a need to be with others and work cooperatively. There would not be any choice in the matter unless people lived in complete isolation.

We on the portal have very different views on many issues. However we know that unless we get along we will have no spiritual friends because people who meditate and are making an attempt at spiritual progress are rather rare comparatively speaking... at least at this time in history. We must be grateful for what we have or suffer the consequences.

Jai Guru


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Oct 09, 2015 08:55 pm
i believe that much of this has to do with greed and living outwardly rewarding sensory lives instead of inward bliss oriented lives.

+1

Also you could say this for almost every political or social issue we discuss here.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 11, 2015 04:25 pm
Mother earth cannot even sustain any population growth at this point. Rent increases. Homes are out of reach for people to buy. Public parks are going up in price to use. Private property makes it difficult for anyone to even walk anywhere anymore. Most rivers you cannot even swim in. Littering and garbage increases. Beaches are caving in, forests being destroyed, strip malls put up over wetlands, traffic jams in all the major cities. This list can increase to a whole page easily. One billion people every ten years will only increase all these factors. Don't we see the obvious? For many people i know it is so obvious that they see others as just denying the facts.

http://countrymeters.info/en/United_States_of_America_%28USA%29


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Oct 13, 2015 02:04 am
What you're describing is the effects of no one making any sort of plans that work when there is an increase of people. Yes the cause could be construed as too many people, but I don't believe that by reducing the birth rate you will solve these problems, one reason is those problems are already here.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 13, 2015 03:12 am
What you're describing is the effects of no one making any sort of plans that work when there is an increase of people. Yes the cause could be construed as too many people, but I don't believe that by reducing the birth rate you will solve these problems, one reason is those problems are already here.

Well it is a cinch that if there were only 25 people on this earth the deterioration of the environment, high toll costs, endless private property, traffic jams, litter, high costs of use of public land, strip malls, pollution, destroying wet lands, high rent, expensive housing, destroying forests, destroying endangered species would all come to an end. Those problems could already be here but they would quickly come to an end.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SpiritImage on Oct 13, 2015 05:29 am
But the damage has been done.

Also I'm sure there would be other problems from under population. There is no such thing as a problem free physical world. If it wasn't this it would be something else.

I understand the issues, but worrying about anything is pointless.



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 13, 2015 02:38 pm
But the damage has been done.

Also I'm sure there would be other problems from under population. There is no such thing as a problem free physical world. If it wasn't this it would be something else.

I understand the issues, but worrying about anything is pointless.

Worrying is pointless. Yes the damage is already done. This does not mean we should continue it and make it worst. The point is that it is not hopeless; Like all worldly challenges there are solutions. Yes the world as we know it will not be problem free. Most likely there will be something else and we will work on that as well. In the meantime we are finding our way to enlightenment. We will eventually be free of all this duality. That is why we are here at the portal. We are finding our liberation and helping others do the same. Yet we are here to make it better and we can. To have despair and no hope is to resign ourselves to no end in sight and a world that is bent on its own destruction.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Oct 17, 2015 11:18 pm
We on the portal have very different views on many issues. However we know that unless we get along we will have no spiritual friends because people who meditate and are making an attempt at spiritual progress are rather rare comparatively speaking... at least at this time in history. We must be grateful for what we have or suffer the consequences.

Now, that's an undisputable truth. Even though we have different views, we should discuss them in a detached way, or at least not let ourselves be ruffled by diversities.
In the other forum, a couple of posters left because they didn't like what I wrote on gay marriage. They concentrated on their own sensitive ideas rather than on discussion with other spiritual people.

I appreciate Steve and the other friends here because they understood that the basic concept here is discussion within spiritually inclined persons, whatever the discussion will be.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: santa clone on Dec 18, 2015 02:10 pm
This 'Clonemas'  I will be giving out candy cane condoms, licorice stick condoms and pepper permit  schnapps condoms to all the adult kids in toy land at your local clone mart. It should put quite a dent in population growth and if you want a rough ride try Rudolphs' Sleigh Ride condoms.

from Santa Clones sexy little elves


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 18, 2015 10:04 pm
This 'Clonemas'  I will be giving out candy cane condoms, licorice stick condoms and pepper permit  schnapps condoms to all the adult kids in toy land at your local clone mart. It should put quite a dent in population growth and if you want a rough ride try Rudolphs' Sleigh Ride condoms.

from Santa Clones sexy little elves

Santa Clone

It seems you are making Walmart a commercial success. Let us sell more and more and you can help us rite? Well i am happy to see that you have found a way to curb birth rates!


Title: How many more people can earth hold?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 30, 2016 11:27 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/many-people-earth-actually-hold-161120761.html


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: b on May 01, 2016 01:34 am
I dunno but I'm about ready to find out.

via GIPHY



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on May 01, 2016 02:41 am
(http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a519/jfine7/dump/blecch800x600opt.jpg)


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: b on May 01, 2016 02:28 pm
For heaven's sake, does this site not have moderators?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 01, 2016 05:01 pm
For heaven's sake, does this site not have moderators?

Well u r an administrator b and a moderator. People have freedom of expression here. That's what makes this place uniquely ours. i allow that expression to others as long as they are not discriminating towards others and belittling others. i see that others have views contrary to my own. i still consider them friends and they have a rite to their views. i do not feel intimidated or threatened. Hope others do not also. Sometimes are views must b repeated over and over till there is a solution. i have seen saints who have said the same thing over and over. As humans we are often dense and just do not get it unless we are constantly reminded in different ways. That is what i have found out about myself. As an interesting side line-your question brings out an important spiritual point. People did not like what Jesus had to say either and he said it over and over. Look what they did to him. Yet his message still lives today.

As long as the population of the world keeps increasing at an alarming rate it is a clear indication that people just don't care. Eventually they will when it is so crowded that they themselves cannot go into town without smelling pollution. When they themselves cannot drive anywhere without being delayed by traffic. When they themselves see that the price of food keeps rising because of lack of food supplies. When they themselves cannot swim in any rivers and have to be careful when they swim in the oceans and lakes because of bacteria and pollution. When they themselves cannot afford housing because all nice space has been taken. When they themselves have no park or woods to go to that is nearby because private property signs have been erected strip malls have been put up and housing has taken up all the natural beauty of the area.

What you're describing is the effects of no one making any sort of plans that work when there is an increase of people. Yes the cause could be construed as too many people, but I don't believe that by reducing the birth rate you will solve these problems, one reason is those problems are already here.

It is quite obvious that decreasing population in a major metropolitan area would decrease traffic congestion. Decreasing population would lessen bacteria in lakes and without major population there would b less reason to have factories and sewage dumped in our rivers lakes and oceans. Less wetlands would be destroyed if there was a decrease in population. Less trees and forests would be cut down. Decreasing the population would provide many empty houses which many homeless people would like to live in. There would be more food available if people could have their own gardens. If there was more land to grow on they could have this. But land is expensive because of population growth. The irony of the situation is this; u have people that are trying to get away from congested areas who they themselves have created the conditions having two or more children.

This is an example of these type of 'problems' diminishing as population diminishes. Now is the time to do something about it before the whole world ends up like China where there is a law that says you are limited to one child. It is better to do it voluntarily so that we still have our freedom of choice.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 01, 2016 09:16 pm
For heaven's sake, does this site not have moderators?

Well u r an administrator b and a moderator. People have freedom of expression here. That's what makes this place uniquely ours. i allow that expression to others as long as they are not discriminating towards others and belittling others. i see that others have views contrary to my own. i still consider them friends and they have a rite to their views. i do not feel intimidated or threatened. Hope others do not also. Sometimes are views must b repeated over and over till there is a solution. i have seen saints who have said the same thing over and over. As humans we are often dense and just do not get it unless we are constantly reminded in different ways. That is what i have found out about myself. As an interesting side line-your question brings out an important spiritual point. People did not like what Jesus had to say either and he said it over and over. Look what they did to him. Yet his message still lives today.

As long as the population of the world keeps increasing at an alarming rate it is a clear indication that people just don't care. Eventually they will when it is so crowded that they themselves cannot go into town without smelling pollution. When they themselves cannot drive anywhere without being delayed by traffic. When they themselves see that the price of food keeps rising because of lack of food supplies. When they themselves cannot swim in any rivers and have to be careful when they swim in the oceans and lakes because of bacteria and pollution. When they themselves cannot afford housing because all nice space has been taken. When they themselves have no park or woods to go to that is nearby because private property signs have been erected strip malls have been put up and housing has taken up all the natural beauty of the area.

What you're describing is the effects of no one making any sort of plans that work when there is an increase of people. Yes the cause could be construed as too many people, but I don't believe that by reducing the birth rate you will solve these problems, one reason is those problems are already here.

It is quite obvious that decreasing population in a major metropolitan area would decrease traffic congestion. Decreasing population would lessen bacteria in lakes and without major population there would b less reason to have factories and sewage dumped in our rivers lakes and oceans. Less wetlands would be destroyed if there was a decrease in population. Less trees and forests would be cut down. Decreasing the population would provide many empty houses which many homeless people would like to live in. There would be more food available if people could have their own gardens. If there was more land to grow on they could have this. But land is expensive because of population growth. The irony of the situation is this; u have people that are trying to get away from congested areas who they themselves have created the conditions having two or more children.

This is an example of these type of 'problems' diminishing as population diminishes. Now is the time to do something about it before the whole world ends up like China where there is a law that says you are limited to one child. It is better to do it voluntarily so that we still have our freedom of choice.

Everytime i wake up and venture out doors i am reminded of over population. Today i wanted to burn branches that were laying all around the yard so i could mow the lawn. Guess what though... because of over population u can no longer burn things in your yard. City ordinances. i go to the park and try to meditate. Guess what people yelling and talking all around. Have to find a place deep in the woods. i go jogging and try to stay off the roads and sometimes run over 'private property' and people ask me to get off their property or actually threaten me. Well i guess we r supposed to jog on the street and risk cars hitting us or drive off to a remote area and hope it is 'legal' to run there. At one time this was quite a problem because i lived where your options were limited because of over population. When i was a kid i always burned the waste paper in the back yard. U no longer can do this because of over population.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on May 02, 2016 05:44 am
Did I make a boo boo?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 02, 2016 10:34 am
Did I make a boo boo?

only u can say


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on May 02, 2016 01:25 pm
Scientifically speaking, if the population were optimally distributed and resources and wastes optimized, I believe the planet might accomodate more people, maybe twice as the present number.

So far though we have proved that optimization is impossible. A critical aspect which occurred to me is the energy needs. Presently we would need either more carbon based power plants, or more nuclear power plants. The former would increase the greenhouse effect and global warming, the latter would pose a very serious hazard of radioactive pollution.
Of course more resources would be needed to fuel those plants.

As we discussed, less developed countries exhibit greater population growth. The excess population tends to migrate sometimes to the more developed countries (see Africans migrating to Europe).

Steve's concerns should be directed mainly to Africa, India, China. Maybe South America as well. Large families are presently very rare in tehe western world. My mother's family was made up of 9 brothers and sisters. My family is a one-son family. My sister has one girl. My brother has no family. The improvement has been very significant. Here. What about Africa and India?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 02, 2016 04:21 pm
While it is helpful that some families r taking action on population increase as mccoy mentioned...It is also easy to put the blame on other countries but in reality we should look at the over all population increase in the world which is affecting everyone and the global environment. Let us do our part!

Population growth
In biology, population growth is the increase in the number of individuals in a population. Global human population growth amounts to around 75 million annually, or 1.1% per year. The global population has grown from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in 2012. It is expected to keep growing, where estimates have put the total population at 8.4 billion by mid-2030, and 9.6 billion by mid-2050.
en.wikipedia.org · Text under CC-BY-SA license

When we look at this projection and the increase in population exponentially since recorded history tallies... every nation including the U.S. and Italy are responsible. It does not take large families-- as mccoy mentioned-- to increase population. A family having only two children can have those two children having two more children a piece. This means that they have doubled the population in only one small family. If those four children have two children a piece we have increased the population 4X in one life time. Now if we have great grand children the we may increase the population 8X in one life time! Let us look at the responsibility of the United States for saturating the world with more people and the projections for a major western country (mccoy mentioned that my concerns should be mainly directed at other nations).... see link below:

https://www.google.com/search?q=united+states+population+growth&rlz=1C1CHWA_enUS602US602&espv=2&biw=1024&bih=534&tbm=isch&imgil=ie7G1l3WQ9JQPM%253A%253BWGpU7bhxyu5_GM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Ftheglitteringeye.com%25252Fthe-growth-in-real-u-s-per-capita-gdp%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ie7G1l3WQ9JQPM%253A%252CWGpU7bhxyu5_GM%252C_&usg=__yHf827oPh9PjccY5W5WNdmLvl-g%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiUnYbFvLvMAhVD9x4KHXWRAogQyjcIWA&ei=5VInV9SWC8Pue_WiisAI#imgrc=ie7G1l3WQ9JQPM%3A

If u would like we can further look at the SIZE of Italy and the population increase over the centuries in proportion to the small size of that country. Italy is a much smaller country then California yet it has almost 20 million more people then California and California is very, very crowded! That is the major reason i moved from the area.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on May 02, 2016 08:40 pm
If you wipe out enough people to make the population count permissible (whatever that number is), you'll still end up with too many people that could care less and will still create problems for the planet.

BTW, what is the solution?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on May 02, 2016 08:44 pm
Did I make a boo boo?
only u can say

That's code for yes you did  :o


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 02, 2016 10:05 pm
Did I make a boo boo?
only u can say

That's code for yes you did  :o

It's O.K. SI u have cleared yourself. i'd hate to think how many blunders i have made in communication!


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 02, 2016 10:08 pm
If you wipe out enough people to make the population count permissible (whatever that number is), you'll still end up with too many people that could care less and will still create problems for the planet.

BTW, what is the solution?

Oh yes! i agree with that! But at least the problem of over population would be solved--- one less problem!


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on May 03, 2016 11:59 pm
Steve, as far as I understand, in Italy and in the USA, positive growth is mantained by immigration. Or numerous immigrants' families. That seems to be official in Italy, maybe in the US as well.

This means that the population surplus is flowing from Africa, or Mexico, into Italy, or USA.

Italy is crowded because it's small but California is far larger, it's not crowded, although its urban areas most assuredly are.

Geometric growth maybe is no more happening in western countries. Let's consider my extended family. 8 people, 3 couples of parents, two singles with no sons . From these 8 people, only 3 children were born. Of these 3 children, probably only 2 will perhaps get married and bear descentants. In the meanwhile, elders will have died. The trend is negative. My situation may not be representative of the whole nation but it makes up a slice of reality.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 04, 2016 01:37 pm
Steve, as far as I understand, in Italy and in the USA, positive growth is mantained by immigration. Or numerous immigrants' families. That seems to be official in Italy, maybe in the US as well.

This means that the population surplus is flowing from Africa, or Mexico, into Italy, or USA.

Italy is crowded because it's small but California is far larger, it's not crowded, although its urban areas most assuredly are.

Geometric growth maybe is no more happening in western countries. Let's consider my extended family. 8 people, 3 couples of parents, two singles with no sons . From these 8 people, only 3 children were born. Of these 3 children, probably only 2 will perhaps get married and bear descentants. In the meanwhile, elders will have died. The trend is negative. My situation may not be representative of the whole nation but it makes up a slice of reality.

For every narrative u present McCoy I have another one like this: https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/tagged/babies

We should not award such people but actually banish them. It just shows how we have totally misplaced social values.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on May 05, 2016 02:14 pm
Steve,
Presently there are more deaths than births in Italy (2013 data) deaths=blu line in the graph

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Nascite_e_morti_in_Italia%2C_1900_-_2013.png/660px-Nascite_e_morti_in_Italia%2C_1900_-_2013.png)

Future projections from the UN  foresee a slight increase of population (probably related to immigration), then a steady decrease, down to teh 58 millions of 2056 (I agree such projections may be totally inaccurate)

The total world population though is increasing, as the following plot shows. So we should examine the trends in the single nations. We may do that to see which states are to be blamed for teh present increase of the actual population. Pls not that the exponent of the curve is decreasing, that its slope is lower in more recent years, that means the increase in population is slowing down significantly, although it has not stopped.

(http://www.vhemt.org/iworldpop.gif)


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 05, 2016 04:11 pm
Italy's contribution to increased population.

As we can see from the charts -- see attachments -- Italy has had an increase of over 10 million people in the last 10 years. Italy ranks 23rd in the population of all nations of the world. This is for an area smaller then California and roughly the size of New Mexico. New Mexico's population is about 2 million. Italy's is about 60 million.

From 1500 B.C. till 2016 the increase of population in Italy has been from 15 million to 60 million. Small  changes in the last few years has left no meaningful dent in the suffocation of people and has only exasperated the situation; The population density in Italy is 203 per Km2 (527 people per square mile). Would u want to live in these crowded conditions? Even though its huge population growth has been slightly lower--- it still has increased even over the last few years. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/italy-population/  Since last year alone thousands of more people have increased population to an overcrowded sitatuation in this small country.

The current population of Italy is 59,800,495 as of Thursday, May 5, 2016, based on the latest United Nations estimates.
Italy population is equivalent to 0.81% of the total world population.
Italy ranks number 23 in the list of countries by population.
The population density in Italy is 203 per Km2 (527 people per mi2).
The total land area is 294,152 Km2 (113,572 sq. miles)
70.5 % of the population is urban (42,306,608 people in 2016)
The median age in Italy is 46.3 years


In this link below we can see the small size of Italy in relation to the U.S. Yet despite its small size its population is about one fifth the population of the whole U.S. Compare the size of Italy to the U.S. (use satellite view to include Alaska and Hawaii.) see link below:

http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/IT



See population growth charts of Italy below:



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: b on May 06, 2016 04:25 am
OSHO's (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) commune was, I think, one of the first instances of a population control program that was actually carried out. He, like you, warned about the danger of over-popualation.

Time investment for video: 12 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaA5aOpPRoM

I surmise that you probably aren't a fan of OSHO. But I thought I'd share this with you any way.







Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: b on May 06, 2016 04:37 am
I think that Mccoy is right in saying the population explosion is much less of a problem in economically developed countries than in third-world areas. And the spread of Christianity, you won't be surprised to know, has not helped here. Because they were telling these people that it was sinful to use birth-control.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: b on May 06, 2016 04:41 am
Of course, it also goes without saying that preaching to the choir here on this forum is doing absolutely nothing to deter the problem either. Although it can be interesting to discuss it's not going to change things much.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 06, 2016 06:22 am
OSHO's (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) commune was, I think, one of the first instances of a population control program that was actually carried out. He, like you, warned about the danger of over-popualation.

Time investment for video: 12 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaA5aOpPRoM

I surmise that you probably aren't a fan of OSHO. But I thought I'd share this with you any way.


Actually there is much more then birth control that is explained by OSHO. It amounts to the subjugation of women into motherhood when she may have many other talents that r just as important. How can she be a politician or prophet when she is expected to b a mother year after year. Women will never b equal to men if they r forced into motherhood when the true fact is that we do not need motherhood from women now. We need the true talents that women have equal to men. This is her time especially in a country like the United States. She is equal to man so why shouldn't she claim her rite? Birth control is needed and i think OSHO has some very good points here. It would b helpful it the Catholic Church would recognize this instead of advising there constituents to multiply like rabbits rather then taking the necessary precautions to live with sanity. To ignore sexuality and somehow think that people r going to live like monks and nuns is a fantasy that will only cause more misery for others here on earth. We see what damage this has done to countries south of the border who r mainly Catholic. It is only one more reminder of how religion can b so far from the truth and continues to make this earth a hell hole to live in.

And the spread of Christianity, you won't be surprised to know, has not helped...... Because they were telling these people that it was sinful to use birth-control.

Of course, it also goes without saying that preaching to the choir here on this forum is doing absolutely nothing to deter the problem either. Although it can be interesting to discuss it's not going to change things much.

i do not believe that for one moment! There r 144 people on this forum at this moment. These people r reading these captions and ideas r very strong at the grass root level. We can influence others by changing ourselves. It starts with us and then what we ARE changes everything around us. Our prayers, our ideas and our state of consciousness does more to change the world then people who have no conception of meditation and some of the things we r discussing here though they may reach millions of people. Why? Because consciousness and awareness is a vibration that awakens our planet. It seems that OSHO recognized that. What does he have to gain from controlling the population of his small group of followers? He too recognizes that truth... which is.... that truth-- however small it may be-- must start with one person: Ourselves.

Good video Brock. Good contribution!


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: b on May 06, 2016 07:34 am
Thanks, Steve. You've made some good points too, of course. It is hard to be an apologist for religion at this point because it has proved absolutely unable to help with the most important issues facing the [post]modern world. It doesn't even seem to help much with the unimportant ones these days. It seems totally out of touch with the living present. Instead it can apparently only look back, nostalgically, on the past. It really has to be said...it has become all but irrelevant. The philosopher Nietzsche was no fool when he declared "God is dead". He was saying that religion had ceased to be the center of our lives and had become only a small fractional part. He was correct. Religion is a once-a-week quirk now, on the periphery rather than at the center of our cultural universe. It is now a bit like having a quirky hobby rather than being the foundation of our entire lives. That is a condition where "god is dead, and we have killed him".

Perhaps the worst thing that religion has done is to romanticize poverty and sentimentalize human suffering. To paint it as some kind of quaint situation that makes western people feel better about not being able to afford the latest iPhone. The rich kids with their "OM" t-shirts ask the poor kids for money to give to the poor people in other countries as a U2 song plays in the background. As far as I can tell, only rich kids got to go to India and meet all the gurus back in the 70's. Only rich kids can afford to go to India now on a spiritual journey. Grinding poverty is not something romantic. It is inhuman.   


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on May 06, 2016 10:51 pm
Steve I like some of yhe links you provided.

But I feel that we should focus more on the original point, or on another point of this thread.

For example, you cite population density, which is very different from population increase or population growth. Of course Italy has a large population density, like most European countries. There are no deserts, no large uninhabited forrests, no vast mountain ranges.

You cite the historical evolution of population, which is another widely different issue; of course population has increased orders of magnitude since the inception of known history. Again, data differ according to sources. The Italian wikipeida estimates 3 million people in Italy in the 6th century BC. It cannot have been 15 millions people in 1500 BC but probably that 's either a typo or some spurious number.
Also, I noticed that some data differ, that is probably because different agencies use different statistical projections.

What was my original contention? That Italy and other western countries presently do not contribute significantly to population increase in the world. I propose again the following graph, which displays an ever decreasing number of births since the mid sixties and a slightly increasing number of deaths until, since 1992, deaths are more numerous than births.
This would mean that population increase in Italy presently is negative.

Other projections yield positive increase which is not significant to the overall world population, like the histograms you pasted.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Nascite_e_morti_in_Italia%2C_1900_-_2013.png/660px-Nascite_e_morti_in_Italia%2C_1900_-_2013.png)


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on May 06, 2016 11:01 pm
Since we are speaking of the present situation (unless we possess some time machine or we want to put under trial the old Italians), the hystogram posted by Steve underlines that in the last two years the Italian population has increased by 20 thousand people. This being a projection, that value is well inside the error range. It is equal to saying that Italy has stopped to increase its population. Population does not decrease only because of the flow of immigrants. My point here is that most probably, presently western nations are not contributing significantly to population increase. China, India, Far East Asia, Africa, Southern America. These are maybe the guilty nations.


(http://musicmeditate.smfforfree.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3427.0;attach=323;image)


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on May 06, 2016 11:25 pm
...
i do not believe that for one moment! There r 144 people on this forum at this moment.

Are we sure they are all people? Most of them are probably search spiders, bots and so on...

They might be influenced by the discussion though....


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 07, 2016 02:54 am
If we are talking about the invasive characteristics of human beings to our world environment we can not talk about an isolated issues such as 'my country has slowed down population growth therefore the blame should b put on other nations'. If u listen to the video that b provided above OSHO believes that population should b cut down to at least one quarter of the present. i am certainly glad that i do not live in a country that has massive population density. California was out of control and Michigan is getting worst and worst. Especially since you cannot swim in any of the major rivers in the south part of the state and we often get warnings of swimming in the lakes. They are posted on trees near swimming places because of raw sewage. i remember living in Kalamazoo and having to jog on the road and to give you an example; the Catholic Church owned a huge plot of land and asked me not to jog on it because it was private property. i have often walked on the beach at Lake Michigan and people have asked me to get off their private property. Recently the water in Flint Michigan was so dangerous that the Federal Government had to come in and do something about it. The virgin timber that is in this state have all been cut down. Many of those pine trees were four foot in diameter. There is only one spot where virgin wood still stands and it is only a few acres. That is one of two still left. A good size tree now is about a foot in diameter. You see few if any big pine trees any more. The toads and crickets did not cut these trees down. From an aesthetic point of view we no longer can enjoy the beauty of the landscape.


i believe we could have millions of people disappear and it would be much better for our state and we are no where near the population density of Italy. What i mean by disappear is thru attrition thru a decrease in birth rate. If u would like i will provide statistics. Judging from our destruction of the air and the environment we could easily drop our world population by the billions. i just read an article that earthquakes are unheard of in Oklahoma but now that state is inundated with them. Why? Because of oil drilling.  California is so congested that the highway system is totally inadequate and there are no room to build more roads. The more cars on the road the more people get killed. That is a problem in all states close to us. Illinois is so congested that the people r rude when u go to Chicago and this is true in many places major highways . Many people experience this. When we used to do experiments with rats in college we found the more u put together the more they bite and snap at one another. People need space. There is no space except where it is not congenial to live. Population explosion is much more then the status quo. The status quo is what is ruining this world now not to even speak of the future. If we were to cut down population there would be extra and cheap housing so people would not be homeless also. They could move into existing structures.

Mccoy You have expressed that third world countries bear more responsibility for population growth. But let us look at it from a different perspective. Energy consumption per capita in each nation. In that sense who is most responsible for some of the things i have mentioned in this post? As you can see from the link below the U.S. and Italy bear much if not most of the responsibility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 03, 2016 07:21 pm
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pakistani-father-of-35-aims-for-100-children/ar-BBtOBGs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=wispr

How can people be so insensitive to the times and the devastation of our mother earth? Why would God listen to such stupidity? Religious duty to destroy our earth? It is easy to see how much damage one man and his idea of religion can do to us all and our earth. 

'Sardar Jan Mohammad Khilji, 46, says he believes it is his religious duty to have as many children as possible. Jan conceded that his needs may increase as his children grow and so is calling on the government to allocate funds for the food, education, and healthcare of his family -- a request that is unlikely to be fulfilled.

But Jan has faith. If the government does not listen, he said, he trusts in God to provide.

Pakistan has the highest birth rate in South Asia -- around three children per woman according to World Bank and government figures -- though an accurate census has not been conducted in more than 30 years.'


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Jun 05, 2016 10:42 am
Steve, the data you posted on energy use are interesting. Lots of plants do use lots of energy, so it is an index of industrialization fo a country. Also, I believe Russia is in the first places because of the huge need of heat in the winter months in its mostly cold places. They use mainly natural gas.

All other things are undoubtedly and unarguably true.  I still feel that developed countries act in an utterly irresponsible way, or are just uncapable to check demographic growth.

Western countries seem to be more responsible but are anyway congested and full of pollution. France has more than 40 nuclear power plants. That's an enormous number for a state with is far smaller than the USA. Where do they stash all the radioactive residual?

I live 5 minutes from the beach. This year though I won't send my son to the closest beach, since it suffers large pollution from fecal bacteria. I have to send him farther away, farther than the urban areas where pollution is rarer and smaller. Many coastal areas in Italy suffer the same fate. Reminiscent of the Michigan waters.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 05, 2016 01:20 pm
Steve, the data you posted on energy use are interesting. Lots of plants do use lots of energy, so it is an index of industrialization fo a country. Also, I believe Russia is in the first places because of the huge need of heat in the winter months in its mostly cold places. They use mainly natural gas.

All other things are undoubtedly and unarguably true.  I still feel that developed countries act in an utterly irresponsible way, or are just uncapable to check demographic growth.

Western countries seem to be more responsible but are anyway congested and full of pollution. France has more than 40 nuclear power plants. That's an enormous number for a state with is far smaller than the USA. Where do they stash all the radioactive residual?

I live 5 minutes from the beach. This year though I won't send my son to the closest beach, since it suffers large pollution from fecal bacteria. I have to send him farther away, farther than the urban areas where pollution is rarer and smaller. Many coastal areas in Italy suffer the same fate. Reminiscent of the Michigan waters.

"Lots of plants do use lots of energy" Not sure what u meant here. Actually plants absorb carbon dioxide which humans create in excess. So unlike humans they are beneficial to the atmosphere.  Plants create oxygen which is important to human life. As part of the carbon cycle, plants use light to photosynthesize carbon dioxide, turning it into carbohydrate to grow and releasing oxygen as a waste product. As a result deforestation aggravates the pollution problem further causes the greenhouse effect. Thus more humans equals less plants. It is obvious that the developed countries are much more responsible for earths atmosphere destruction then third world over populated nations because they (modernized countries) emit much more pollutants in the atmosphere per capita.


Title: more foolishness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 06, 2016 05:05 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/least-3-kids-erdogan-tells-turkish-women-145028336.html


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Jun 07, 2016 12:09 pm

"Lots of plants do use lots of energy" Not sure what u meant here. Actually plants absorb carbon dioxide which humans create in excess. So unlike humans they are beneficial to the atmosphere.  Plants create oxygen which is important to human life. As part of the carbon cycle, plants use light to photosynthesize carbon dioxide, turning it into carbohydrate to grow and releasing oxygen as a waste product. As a result deforestation aggravates the pollution problem further causes the greenhouse effect. Thus more humans equals less plants. It is obvious that the developed countries are much more responsible for earths atmosphere destruction then third world over populated nations because they (modernized countries) emit much more pollutants in the atmosphere per capita.

Steve, the above is an interesting example of linguistical ambiguity which can lead to substantial misanderstandings.
As a matter of fact, I should have written industrial plants. Maybe 'mills' would have been more clear, or 'industries'.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 07, 2016 05:44 pm


Yes i see your point mccoy. What made it so difficult for me to put that together after reading your whole statement again? Do we interpret the meaning of words thru our own bias? i believe that it is something we humans do all too often. It is interesting when incidents come up to prove it. It seems best to plead ignorant if we can not put things together that others are saying---- just to b on the safe side.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Jun 10, 2016 11:27 pm
Steve, I checked my post and as a mater of fact something is amiss. Like the 'un' before 'developed'. This is my editing:

Steve, the data you posted on energy use are interesting. Lots of factories do use lots of energy, so it is an index of industrialization fo a country. Also, I believe Russia is in the first places because of the huge need of heat in the winter months in its mostly cold places. They use mainly natural gas.

All other things are undoubtedly and unarguably true.  I still feel that underdeveloped countries act in an utterly irresponsible way, or are just uncapable to check demographic growth.

....


Title: Population Explosion,,, the destruction of our earth by humans
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 03, 2016 08:12 am
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=World+Population+2050+Prediction&view=detailv2&&id=4D9B0BBF10DB933A7CCD49E6805126023968A15F&selectedIndex=21&ccid=TZcytSjZ&simid=608029746542544477&thid=OIP.M4d9732b528d9b455ad0dc075c61e1475o0&ajaxhist=0


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 11, 2016 01:32 pm
http://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-citys-3-billion-wall-to-save-it-from-sea-level-rise-2016-7?yptr=yahoo?r=UK&IR=T

Will the common person b responsible for paying for the coastal regions like we were for paying for the Iraq war? People make there own mistakes congregating in such over populated areas and contributing to the population explosion that has created these environmental disasters. Let us not continue to bail out the wealthy and and support their wars.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: mccoy on Jul 12, 2016 02:07 pm
3 Billion US$, mostly to protect Manhattan and it might not even be enough...

Quote
There are other criticisms—the most obvious being that the Big U would serve to protect Wall Street at the expense of other parts of New York, such as Brooklyn and Queens, which were hammered during Sandy. Then there’s the fact that it’s been designed to defend against a one-in-100-year flood with 30 inches of contingency built in for sea-level rise. That’s is unlikely to be enough protection in the long-term.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 05, 2017 12:04 pm
Now we have an extreme challenges. Climatic change is upon us. The temperature of our earth is rising due to fossil fuels, coal and methane levels increasing in the environment. This is caused by the increase of population and the needs of mankind.

Property is difficult to buy because there is less and less available especially places that are desirable for habitat.

The oceans, rivers and lakes have become toxic because of human waste and pollution. For instance; we are unable to swim or drink out of all the major rivers in Michigan.

It is getting more and more difficult to  walk or jog anywhere because there are 'No Trespassing' signs all over in the country due to population increase.

Abortions are common since most women and men cannot afford to raise children because of over population and a lack of recourses.

In the United States...We used to be a nation that let in immigrants but we cannot afford it because the immigrants take our jobs.

We used to have plenty of property to rent or buy at cheap prices. However because of over population prices keep rising.

Our highways, roads and bridges are crowded and damaged because of over population. It is difficult to even get from one place to another in most major cities without traffic jams because of overpopulation.

There is a lack of good paying jobs because of increased technology and at the same time more population with outsourcing and robotics taking over instead of human labor.

There are less and less forests because woods are being cleared to make room for urban sprawl because of overpopulation.

Also the need to feed an increased population makes it necessary to clear huge areas of forests all around the world to have more and more cattle raising to feed meat and hamburgers to an increased population.

An increased population has led to the destruction of private business and the increase of corporate business with the result of an increasing disparity of wealth around the world.

Costs are rising to use public facilities such as parks, tolls on highways and parking facilities because of overpopulation.

Wet lands, which are a source of the many species natural life and oxygen are being cleared to make room for more population increase.

We are ruining mother earth. We have gone from 1billion people to over 8billion in just a couple of hundred years. We will destroy this earth if we keep multiplying . It is nothing less then selfish to put more children on this earth.

We now have a very selfish man who is the leader of the United States and has a large family that is only setting a very bad example to this over population problem.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Mar 06, 2017 11:02 pm
Is worrying about overpopulation bringing you closer to enlightenment?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 07, 2017 05:01 am
Is worrying about overpopulation bringing you closer to enlightenment?

The point is not to worry...Knowing that everything is unfolding according to a divine plan. What we as participants in that divine plan should recognize, is that we have the unique capacity to envision and implement this divine plan.  Knowledge is half the battle in solving problems. If we have that knowledge.... and share it with others we are benefitting humanity. With out our concern for mother earth and our brothers and sisters here we will never expand our consciousness living in a shell of selfishness.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Mar 08, 2017 07:24 pm
Hi Steve,

My question is a bit off topic but you mentioned selfishness and I wonder if you consider buddhas decision to abandon his wife, son and worldly affairs in pursuit of enlightenment a selfish act?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 09, 2017 05:35 am
Hi Steve,

My question is a bit off topic but you mentioned selfishness and I wonder if you consider buddhas decision to abandon his wife, son and worldly affairs in pursuit of enlightenment a selfish act?

No because his enlightenment and spiritual development was a blessing to them.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 21, 2017 12:52 am
Top 10 U.S. Endangered Species Threatened by Human Population

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/population_and_sustainability/species.html

'...Still others, like the polar bear, are facing extinction because of fossil fuels driving catastrophic global warming.'

Again we see the enormous importance of getting Donald Trump and his -death wishers to animal species-out of power.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Sep 04, 2017 04:36 pm
See graph by opening up this thread.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 08, 2017 08:22 pm
Check out this post in the Technology vibe:
Stephen Hawking issues dire warning: We have less than 600 years until Earth becomes a sizzling fireball
https://www.yahoo.com/newsroom/vibes/technology/v-ceafb8ea-13ba-326e-8577-780d7df5b520_c-d57b32a5-f9bc-34ba-83ca-05af4414e203_a-d57b32a5-f9bc-34ba-83ca-05af4414e203


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Nov 09, 2017 04:42 am
With the rapid evolution in technology, I guess it may be likely the problems we see now aren’t really problems 600 years from now... who knows, we will be dead... but possibly we’ll have a new Energy dynamic or this earth will not home for a few in just hundreds of years from now... ?? Or do you think I’m being to scifi lol


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 09, 2017 12:21 pm
Your being you...you have a different perspective. A hope and more trust in technology. I have more of this view from a mindset of entropy. That is the more we do...the more we waste and destroy. Perhaps it comes with the perspective of being rather then doing: a novel paradigm and yet to be realized and implemented by the human race. It comes from the realization that consciousness is superior to human actions and a recognition of how much can be achieved by the human mind and even more so by the human spirit. Look to the existence of Babaji as an example.

https://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap33.php

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavatar_Babaji


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on Nov 09, 2017 07:15 pm
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Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 09, 2017 09:05 pm
Yea i would agree
There are a lot of dead horses out there that just don't get it.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on Nov 10, 2017 12:50 am
Yea i would agree
There are a lot of dead horses out there that just don't get it.

Everybody gets it, I mean after you beat it into their heads long enough, even if they don't get, they'll say they do just to pacify you. Corporate business does this daily. That's about all you get out of it.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Nov 10, 2017 06:12 am
Hi Steve,
It’s not hope... just observing, thinking. Think of how much we have gone through in just 100 years. Technology makes things look like we’re speeding up. Do you remember black and white television...? Now we have virtual reality and 3D printers... do you remember dial up? Now we have fiber optics. I think of the Kardashev scale

“Experts assert that, as a civilization grows larger and becomes more advanced, its energy demands will increase rapidly due to its population growth and the energy requirements of its various machines. With this in mind, the Kardashev scale was developed as a way of measuring a civilization’s technological advancement based upon how much usable energy it has at its disposal (this was originally just tied to energy available for communications, but has since been expanded).

...

First, it is important to note that the human race is not even on this scale yet. Since we still sustain our energy needs from dead plants and animals, here on Earth, we are a lowly Type 0 civilization (and we have a LONG way to go before being promoted to a type I civilization). Kaku tends to believe that, all things taken into consideration, we will reach Type I in 100 – 200 years time. But what does each of these categories actually stand for in literal terms?

A Type I designation is a given to species who have been able to harness all the energy that is available from a neighboring star, gathering and storing it to meet the energy demands of a growing population. This means that we would need to boost our current energy production over 100,000 times to reach this status. However, being able to harness all Earth’s energy would also mean that we could have control over all natural forces. Human beings could control volcanoes, the weather, and even earthquakes! (At least, that is the idea.) These kinds of feats are hard to believe, but compared to the advances that may still be to come, these are just basic and primitive levels of control (it’s absolutely nothing compared to the capabilities of societies with higher rankings).”
Taken from:
https://futurism.com/the-kardashev-scale-type-i-ii-iii-iv-v-civilization/

And for fun... this is a prediction just 3 centuries from now-

“Venus and Mars both have terraforming programmes underway now; the latter is home to many large cities. The Moon, too, has millions of permanent inhabitants. The gas giants and their moons are dotted with scientific stations. The Kuiper Belt is now fully probed and catalogued, as is the Oort Cloud, with mining operations harvesting an untold quantity of resources. Beyond the Oort Cloud, a huge network of telescopes is being deployed. Meanwhile, new forms of propulsion have allowed the first manned exploration of neighbouring stars, with Alpha Centauri and other systems gaining permanent settlers.”
Taken from:
http://www.futuretimeline.net/23rdcentury/23rdcentury.htm

So 600 years from now? WELL
We can only speculate ... I appreciate your concern for Mother Earth - this home however may not be “home” for future generations...



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Nov 10, 2017 06:44 am
And thank you for the link on babaji


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on Nov 10, 2017 06:50 am
More than a few paragraphs and I lose.



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Nov 10, 2017 06:53 am
Hah. Good night SI.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 10, 2017 08:42 pm
Hah. Good night SI.

Yea i'll have to agree with u on that one...let him sleep it off. You never know - he could gain a remarkably different perspective with the right dreams.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on Nov 10, 2017 10:25 pm
Hah. Good night SI.

Yea i'll have to agree with u on that one...let him sleep it off. You never know - he could gain a remarkably different perspective with the right dreams.

Let who sleep what off? Too bad you can't take your own advice.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 10, 2017 10:32 pm
Hah. Good night SI.

Yea i'll have to agree with u on that one...let him sleep it off. You never know - he could gain a remarkably different perspective with the right dreams.

Let who sleep what off? Too bad you can't take your own advice.

U never know a guy like u might prescribe the rite medication to get through all of this. I took my own
ad-vice and all i got was a haunting with people suffocating and massed up bodies looking for a place to spread out.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on Nov 10, 2017 10:36 pm
U never know a guy like u might prescribe the rite medication to get through all of this. I took my own
ad-vice and all i get is haunted with people and massed up
bodies looking for a place to spread out.

In english?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Nov 11, 2017 04:17 am
I have no clue what’s going on heh- I went to bed thus the good night. o.O?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 11, 2017 10:47 am


I have no clue what’s going on heh- I went to bed thus the good night. o.O?

I know Eric. You are so innocent!


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Nov 12, 2017 03:41 am
Good one. Hope all is well.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on Nov 12, 2017 09:53 pm
I know Eric. You are so innocent!

I wonder...


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 13, 2017 03:32 am
I know Eric. You are so innocent!

I wonder...

LOL


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Nov 13, 2017 04:06 am
The one thing I can say you two have in common is you’re both full of it.

Maybe that’s why we’re all drawn back here...

Shitster magnets

Enjoy


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on Nov 13, 2017 05:04 am
The one thing I can say you two have in common is you’re both full of it.

Maybe that’s why we’re all drawn back here...

Shitster magnets

Enjoy

I'm fuller of it than most, but that's how the world was when I first got here.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Alfred Hitchcock on Nov 13, 2017 06:10 am
Certain species are invasive. We need to properly caterogize and put humans in this subset. I had a great idea for taking care of this blemish to the earth when I created The Birds. We just  have to get those crow peckers multiplying and then let nature take care of itself. Indeed my horror movie would be much more entertaining to a burning oven on earth because of raising temperatures due to climate change. You can thank me for that! And if there are any leftovers the peckers will take care of that also. They are great efficient recyclers unlike your typical humanoid.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on Nov 13, 2017 08:20 am
Certain species are invasive. We need to properly caterogize and put humans in this subset. I had a great idea for taking care of this blemish to the earth when I created The Birds. We just  have to get those crow peckers multiplying and then let nature take care of itself. Indeed my horror movie would be much more entertaining to a burning oven on earth because of raising temperatures due to climate change. You can thank me for that! And if there are any leftovers the peckers will take care of that also. They are great efficient recyclers unlike your typical humanoid.

and you created psycho too.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Alfred Hitchcock on Nov 13, 2017 12:36 pm
Certain species are invasive. We need to properly caterogize and put humans in this subset. I had a great idea for taking care of this blemish to the earth when I created The Birds. We just  have to get those crow peckers multiplying and then let nature take care of itself. Indeed my horror movie would be much more entertaining to a burning oven on earth because of raising temperatures due to climate change. You can thank me for that! And if there are any leftovers the peckers will take care of that also. They are great efficient recyclers unlike your typical humanoid.

and you created psycho too.

Ahhh i see. Yes a man with great taste. We are all in our own private worlds of insanity that we can't get out of. While in this hell whole let us join together in prayer for another pycho drama we endlessly reminisce  over. Let us enjoy our obsessions while they blast. Who knows they may not be here tomorrow.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: SI on Nov 13, 2017 08:15 pm
Ahhh i see. Yes a man with great taste. We are all in our own private worlds of insanity that we can't get out of. While in this hell whole let us join together in prayer for another pycho drama we endlessly reminisce  over. Let us enjoy our obsessions while they blast. Who knows they may not be here tomorrow.

Drama is life with the dull bits cut out. - A.H.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Feb 09, 2018 03:40 am
http://christiannews.net/2017/09/20/anti-population-growth-group-expresses-support-for-planned-parenthood-as-means-to-combat-overpopulation/


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Feb 09, 2018 04:44 am
http://christiannews.net/2017/09/20/anti-population-growth-group-expresses-support-for-planned-parenthood-as-means-to-combat-overpopulation/

“If the U.S. is to be an international leader on the critical issue of overpopulation, our nation must set an example of population restraint and women’s rights here at home,” ....

NPG said that the Affordable Care Act and Planned Parenthood are necessary in order to keep fertility rates under control, and that birth rates will increase among low-income women if they can’t obtain contraceptives by these means.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 03, 2018 11:59 am
NASA satellite measurements calculate that since 2004, Antarctica as a whole is losing 130 billion tons of ice each year. This is the weight equivalent of 356,000 Empire State Buildings. This dramatic melting could cause serious issues for coastal cities around the world. According to The World Bank, cities like Miami, New York and New Orleans could potentially face up to $1 trillion a year in flood damage in the coming decades.

It is obvious we could slow this process by having no children since people are responsible for heating the planet and melting ice. Furthermore getting rid of a complete dumb ass called Donal mafioso Trump who has absolutely no clue about global warming.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 14, 2018 05:07 am
Isn't this is in God's hands?

Who is having all the children? God? Not very many of his representatives have any children at all. What we do to this world we must take responsibility for. Humans are the cause of the destruction  of mother earth and her environment. Not God.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 14, 2018 05:16 am
Today at this time in history having children  is nothing less then selfish and shows no consideration for the fact that the more people we bring into this earth...the more destruction we cause.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 20, 2018 04:02 pm
Yes I agree. For sure trump is not a good choice for the planet....
But "big money", big pharma, big meat were supporters and financers of Clinton, maybe more that of Trump. Even though she wouldn't have been like the caricature of Trump, there is still a deep problem.

The fact that we have bodies is an indication that we have a problem. Unless we are enlightened and have no attachment to these ‘loaners’ we are an indication of desires and that is why we are manifesting here in our present state.

It may take till the Satya Yuga till we have enlightened leaders. In the meantime we must use our discrimination to have someone lead us on the best course possible without leading our nations to ruin and our world to be uninhabitable. Can Macron do that? I am certain RumpleTrumpskin cannot.

In this article below I find this quote; As Merkel's chancellorship approaches its end, French President Emmanuel Macron, her progressive EU partner, has seen his approval fall to below 30 percent. I think the major implication to this article is that the more people the more problems. Human beings are now proving to be the worst creatures for our planet. That is why I never had kids. Human beings are an invasive species.

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Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 13, 2018 05:28 pm
The Trump-Pence administration is trying to block people from getting birth control and from going to Planned Parenthood health centers for their care!

They announced their attack just one day after people across the country made clear they want reproductive health protected. How will we ever control population growth with idiots in power?


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 31, 2019 02:59 am
https://apple.news/As8OO_xy1QyGvehoWDBrlww


Today I Drove out of Atlanta. There was a traffic jam for 15 miles long on the other side of the freeway on 75 north. United States has become way over crowded the invasive species called human beings is overbearing in our country. It is time to stop having kids. As we can see in this article above Donald Trump recognizes the problem himself With other nations bombarding us with people yet he himself doesn’t realize what a problem he’s causing himself with a huge family of his own.



Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Apr 01, 2019 09:52 am
The truth is we don't know what will happen(does man think he is greater than nature?) and it isn't right someone with a large family be looked upon with contempt. It's a great topic but I think in general, the attitude of blame gets in the way of constructive dialogue. People are interested in topics like the future of our species, the evolution of technology, the state of our planet and whether man will be living elsewhere in space or not. We are interested. I think we are making great progress too considering our extremely dark past. Even so, we are still backwards in so many ways but thanks to communications people are more connected. It's important to nurture hope and maintain faith in God. I have been foolish to condemn any human being brave enough to take on a leadership position and equally naive to think those in power are there for the greater good. Seems more people are waking up, there are many injustices in this World, but we are still asking questions. Continued efforts for self peace may encourage acts of kindness for our planet. It may revolutionize the priorities of our leaders, if only we believed we had that power. Still, we may never know the full effects of our own practices. Your interest and passion are things I learn from, namaste Bro.


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Apr 01, 2019 10:13 am
The one thing I can say you two have in common is you’re both full of it.

Maybe that’s why we’re all drawn back here...

Shitster magnets

Enjoy

I'm fuller of it than most, but that's how the world was when I first got here.

Miss you SI! Alas, I am full of it too!  :D  I am praying for your happiness!  :)


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: tides2dust on Apr 02, 2019 07:24 am
Kardashev scale explained
https://youtu.be/mr7FXvTSYpA


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 08, 2019 06:09 am
http://christiannews.net/2017/09/20/anti-population-growth-group-expresses-support-for-planned-parenthood-as-means-to-combat-overpopulation/
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ALEXANDRIA, Va. — A Virginia-based group known as “Negative Population Growth” (NPG), which seeks to combat “overpopulation” in the U.S. and abroad, recently released a report expressing why it opposes the Trump administration’s desire to repeal Obamacare and defund the abortion and contraception giant Planned Parenthood.
“If the U.S. is to be an international leader on the critical issue of overpopulation, our nation must set an example of population restraint and women’s rights here at home,” it wrote in its report entitled “Resurgent Pro-Natalism in the Trump Administration.”

Noting that a child is born approximately every eight seconds in America, the group contended that there is an “urgent need” to stop and even reverse population growth in the nation and around the world, as it believes that [t]here are only negative long-term impacts of an increased TFR (total fertility rate)—and resulting population growth—on our nation’s environment, economy, natural resources, and quality of life.”
“The Trump Administration’s desire to see both freedom of reproductive choice and federal funding for contraception eliminated must become secondary to the urgent need to slow, halt, and eventually reverse U.S. and world population growth,” the report concluded. “If birth rates increase as a result of our domestic or foreign policies, then our population will begin to grow even more rapidly—leading to even further environmental and economic difficulties.”


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 27, 2019 11:39 pm
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Pushes Population Control: “Is it Okay to Still Have Children?”


Title: Re: Population Explosion
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jun 03, 2019 12:48 pm
The current world population of 7.6 billion is expected to reach 8.6 billion in 2030, 9.8 billion in 2050 and 11.2 billion in 2100, according to a new United Nations report being launched today.