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Title: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 16, 2016 12:20 am
Does String Theory and give credence to a Unifying Theory or is it philosophy? Perhaps much of philosophy is true after all. Is it just another attempt to explain our universe to satisfy the minds curiosity? In all these various explanations the mind has no choice but to accept a larger and smaller explanation for things that shows this universe and our life here to be very fascinating and we have much yet to understand. There may even be an explanation that brings together the small things we observe and the large things we observe.

It is interesting though to have Scientists proposing theories and excepting them with no physical proof to verify--only equations. Ah... it starts to sound like spirituality. We can prove very little as spiritual seekers--- only to ourselves--- We get a glimpse into this reality and it is exemplified in those who have actually done just that; Proven it to themselves. That is the closest proof we have -- second only to proving it ourselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTxoM5QvruY


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: mccoy on Mar 16, 2016 04:26 pm
Yes, string theory presently is closer to science fiction than to science. Also, it is based on such an obscure mathematics that we laymen must trust other flawed human beings, even if physicists, to be right.

I see one common feature though between string theory and Hindu metaphysics, that is the fact that the cosmos are fundamentally a vibration, the strings are configurations of vibrating energy, hence the basic makeup of the universe would be vibrations, as Yogananda writes.



Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 18, 2016 06:38 pm
Yes, string theory presently is closer to science fiction than to science. Also, it is based on such an obscure mathematics that we laymen must trust other flawed human beings, even if physicists, to be right.

I see one common feature though between string theory and Hindu metaphysics, that is the fact that the cosmos are fundamentally a vibration, the strings are configurations of vibrating energy, hence the basic makeup of the universe would be vibrations, as Yogananda writes.

The interesting point i see here is that most scientists have pooh-poohed the claims of yogis and psychics. Now we can just as easily disclaim their discoveries on the basis that they cannot verify them in experimentation which has been their big disclaimer about spiritual experiences.


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: mccoy on Mar 19, 2016 01:52 am
Precisely, even though they insist that a good theory will eventually be proven in the future. forgetting that many apparently good ones in the past have been disproved


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Mar 19, 2016 07:21 am
Precisely, even though they insist that a good theory will eventually be proven in the future. forgetting that many apparently good ones in the past have been disproved

We are told in spirituality that doubting what we hear shows a lack of faith. However is it possible that there is another view. That is that perhaps we too have had to face the fact that many religious  views are only theories and have been proven wrong. Is it possible that it is not faith we are lacking but rather we are just admitting to ourselves that we just don't know?


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: mccoy on Apr 26, 2016 10:43 pm
Steve, I'm wondering though: how do you prove a religion wrong?


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: tides2dust on Apr 27, 2016 12:31 am
i don't think you can prove someone their religion is wrong when religion is simply a form of devotion or beliefs. even if you could, is it worth all that energy?

religion in its sincerest form comes from the heart

there's a lot "wrong" but you can't tell someone their pursuits are wrong.... you can try, doesn't always mean they will listen. they will simply have to experience for themselves and form their own....

like when you tell a child not to do something and they do it anyways.



Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: b on Apr 27, 2016 01:45 am
Steve, I'm wondering though: how do you prove a religion wrong?


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Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: b on Apr 27, 2016 01:58 am
Previously held beliefs can become unbelievable.


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: SI on Apr 27, 2016 03:51 am
Steve, I'm wondering though: how do you prove a religion wrong?

How do you really prove any religion right?


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 27, 2016 04:30 am
Steve, I'm wondering though: how do you prove a religion wrong?

 i am talking about religion not spirituality. It is quite obvious that for instance the Catholic religion was proved wrong about it's assertion that the Sun rotates around the earth. They persecuted many people for believing that the earth rotates around the Sun. It was only recently that the Catholic church retracted that view. It should b recognized that some religions have made some very bad mistakes in judgement. i do not know how many examples you want but there are many to b given.


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: SI on Apr 27, 2016 08:27 am
i am talking about religion not spirituality. It is quite obvious that for instance the Catholic religion was proved wrong about it's assertion that the Sun rotates around the earth. They persecuted many people for believing that the earth rotates around the Sun. It was only recently that the Catholic church retracted that view. It should b recognized that some religions have made some very bad mistakes in judgement. i do not know how many examples you want but there are many to b given.

Well, physically it seems the Sun is the center. Maybe it's different on another plane of existence. This planet may be the center of something bigger than we can see in this life. I don't think anything can really be proven once you consider the possibilities of the endless possibilities of God.


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: mccoy on Apr 27, 2016 10:29 pm
... It is quite obvious that for instance the Catholic religion was proved wrong about it's assertion that the Sun rotates around the earth. ....

That's absolutely right, physically speaking, the catholic religion was proven wrong about its geocentric view. The sentence 'To prove a religion wrong' though may construed as to prove its fundamental tenets and model wrong.
By the way, logic suggests that much of the catholic religion is actually wrong, to prove it is not easy though. How do we prove that there is not an infinite heaven or hell rather many incarnations? How do we prove that Jesus was not the only son of God but one of the great prophets of all religions.

By logic, I concur, but not everyone will consider our logic as hard proof.


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 28, 2016 02:51 pm
... It is quite obvious that for instance the Catholic religion was proved wrong about it's assertion that the Sun rotates around the earth. ....

That's absolutely right, physically speaking, the catholic religion was proven wrong about its geocentric view. The sentence 'To prove a religion wrong' though may construed as to prove its fundamental tenets and model wrong. By the way, logic suggests that much of the catholic religion is actually wrong, to prove it is not easy though. How do we prove that there is not an infinite heaven or hell rather many incarnations? How do we prove that Jesus was not the only son of God but one of the great prophets of all religions.

By logic, I concur, but not everyone will consider our logic as hard proof.

The point here is how wrong people can be in their judgement about others and the persecution they levy on others for religious reasons. Many nations have now taken trips into space it is quite evident that the earth is rotating around the Sun-taking 365 day to complete one cycle and the Sun is moving around the zodiacal constellations in a cycle that is ruffly speaking--24 thousand years in length.

It was nothing less then a crime to persecute others for believing this but the catholic church did persecute others for believing the truth and were never accountable for their crimes against humanity. Let us not forget that the catholic church did claim to prove that the Sun rotates around the earth because they 'proved' it by a quote in the Bible. Don't u see how dangerous this is?
Religions have done it consistently through history. They have taken quotes from scriptures to justify heinous acts against humanity and individuals.

i am talking about religion not spirituality. It is quite obvious that for instance the Catholic religion was proved wrong about it's assertion that the Sun rotates around the earth. They persecuted many people for believing that the earth rotates around the Sun. It was only recently that the Catholic church retracted that view. It should b recognized that some religions have made some very bad mistakes in judgement. i do not know how many examples you want but there are many to b given.

Well, physically it seems the Sun is the center. Maybe it's different on another plane of existence. This planet may be the center of something bigger than we can see in this life. I don't think anything can really be proven once you consider the possibilities of the endless possibilities of God.



Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: SI on Apr 29, 2016 08:28 am
The point here is how wrong people can be in their judgement about others and the persecution they levy on others for religious reasons.

But really, people can be wrong and persecute you whether or not religion is involved.

Whatever organization is involved in that persecution, of course they will be viewed in a different light.

It's usually a group that has physical, financial, etc., power over you that can literally crush you. It's much bigger than religion.


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 29, 2016 02:55 pm
The point here is how wrong people can be in their judgement about others and the persecution they levy on others for religious reasons.

But really, people can be wrong and persecute you whether or not religion is involved.

Whatever organization is involved in that persecution, of course they will be viewed in a different light.

It's usually a group that has physical, financial, etc., power over you that can literally crush you. It's much bigger than religion.

There r people that r like this also who may have no physical or financial power over u. They just practice being mean. Wouldn't u think that religion would  at least show forgiveness and mercy? When justice becomes your model u run the risk of being wrong in your implementation of justice and who can really know ? How can the views of others be dangerous (unless of course they r implemented to harm others.)? It shows an insecurity at not being able to control life.... control people and control circumstances. Some people just want to be in control of everything.


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 04, 2016 03:49 pm
... It is quite obvious that for instance the Catholic religion was proved wrong about it's assertion that the Sun rotates around the earth. ....

That's absolutely right, physically speaking, the catholic religion was proven wrong about its geocentric view. The sentence 'To prove a religion wrong' though may construed as to prove its fundamental tenets and model wrong. By the way, logic suggests that much of the catholic religion is actually wrong, to prove it is not easy though. How do we prove that there is not an infinite heaven or hell rather many incarnations? How do we prove that Jesus was not the only son of God but one of the great prophets of all religions.

By logic, I concur, but not everyone will consider our logic as hard proof.

It is nothing less then earth shattering to move from a geocentric view to a heliocentric view. The paradigm that we r the center of the universe now is absurd. Incidentally that is also part of the fallacious view that Jesus was the only son of God.  No u cannot prove it but as we look further and further into the universe and see the possibilities of life it becomes more and more apparent that God simply did not abandon these other 🌎 worlds and nations even on this earth. There r other saviors. Seeing one very critical mistake that a religion made that held back our whole understanding of the universe...and that they judged and persecuted people for it... It is easy to also see how they most likely made many great blunders including proliferating the view of multiplying population as well. For all the persecution  the catholic church heaped on others and then just to have a small note in history that says basically.... 'by the way we have no apologies for what we did to others or the fact that we held back the knowledge of the universe with our judgemental views and we also persecuted those with views that were in fact correct. We would like to make a small note here: We no longer think the earth is the center of the universe. No apologies.. we just changed our minds. Can't help it that we hurt others in the process.... its all part of religion. Remember always follow the Vatican's tenets'. Sorry folks there has to b a little accountability here. i mean do we take no responsibility for our actions?
Apparently the Catholic Church does not!

i do not mean to belittle other peoples religion. But my God; since when does any church have the arbitrary rite to persecute others just because they 'know' what God was saying?


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: b on May 04, 2016 06:12 pm
i do not mean to belittle other peoples religion. But my God; since when does any church have the arbitrary rite to persecute others just because they 'know' what God was saying?

LoL.

Religion, meet Steve.
Steve, meet religion.

 :P


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: SI on May 04, 2016 11:07 pm
i do not mean to belittle other peoples religion. But my God; since when does any church have the arbitrary rite to persecute others just because they 'know' what God was saying?

In some cases, it's because they have interpreted their scriptures in a way that tells them to do so.


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 05, 2016 09:38 am
i do not mean to belittle other peoples religion. But my God; since when does any church have the arbitrary rite to persecute others just because they 'know' what God was saying?

LoL.

Religion, meet Steve.
Steve, meet religion.

 :P

Brock, meet Alice in Wonderland.
Alice; meet Brock


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: b on May 05, 2016 07:36 pm
What does that mean?


Title: Re: String Theory and a Unified Field Theory Combine?
Post by: alice fingers the harps on May 05, 2016 10:16 pm
What does that mean?

It means that imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality!