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Thanks b. Conversation on the physical plain is often frought with misunderstandings. It is nice to see people having understanding. Some people will not even attempt to reach out and find 'common ground'.

My sense of what is important in communication has changed thru the years. Perhaps it is because we are maturing. It seems to me that the most important thing is my communication with God and Spirit which needs constant attention. We can often think that we have done something 'wrong' if someone does not communicate with us that we have known. Especially if they cut us off. However this is not always the case. Sometimes people are just going thru things that just do not include us or they have found someone else or something else to replace us temporarily or even permanently.

Although when it comes to God and our spiritual guides and those trying to emulate their characteristics....i think it is quite a bit different. That is because in the expansion of spirit there is the ability to communicate with many souls simultaneously. i think we have cause to be concerned when we have no communication with spirit. That is why so many of us here spend so much time in listening to the voice of spirit and stilling our own thoughts so it is possible and we are receptive.

i have seen many people throughout the years and they have different kinds of magnetism. i have been attracted to some of them for the wrong reasons. Just like people were attracted to Hitler at one time we too can be attracted to people and figures (because of personal and mass karma) in the media and in our life who may not be spiritual or have spiritual values. Like many of us it has taken me a while to develop my own spiritual values and many of my old values were rigid and did not fit every situation. So... i had to revise them.

i can still picture some people in my life who were not necessarily physically attractive but nevertheless were kind. i believe kindness has been a value i have been working at and it is a quality that i find very attractive in other people. Much more attractive then physical attraction because physical attraction can hide a beast within. We can never be too careful because we may activate a mine field when walking thru the beautiful countryside.

If i can be kind in my communication then i have made some spiritual strides. One important quality of kindness is letting others communicate or not communicate in their own time and at their own discretion. Just a few thoughts here today. Hope you have yours as well! Sometimes this type of free association results in a better understanding for us all. It can be somewhat like channeling... you're not sure why you are expressing it but it reveals something that can help our personal growth. i have often seen our friend Eric use this technique i have found it helpful.

taking parts of what you said out of context, sorry in advance, but I just thought,

I wonder if we make this communication with God harder than it needs to be. I mean meditation does take will power, concentration, and it's not easy to clear restless thoughts.

God is right here right now, can we not let Him work thru us always and not worry so much that we need to contact Him thru meditation?

This is not a knock on meditation, to me it helps a lot to bring me closer, even PY says to bring that feeling with you after meditation and hang on to it...

It is very difficult to find this 'connection' without meditation that is because the world constantly crowds in with information and stories that make us believe the senses and what they witness is true. In this world we have nothing but the senses to validate our experiences. But the senses do not tell us the truth but rather take us further into Maya.

When we are able to withdraw the senses and the biological and mental processes we can enter our true identity in spirit. This can only be done by entering these states of consciousness that take place during meditation and deep ecstasy. Quite often this experience percolates into our conscious state if we have been practicing meditation for some time.

God is obviously working thru all of us at some level. The point is this: How much are we conscious of the fact that God is working thru us in our actions motives and thoughts? Many of us believe that our actions are directed by God and are far from that reality. One only has to look at all the wars going on in the Mideast to witness this.... and they all believe they are carrying out God's will! Something is very skewed in our thinking to believe that we know God's will but to have strife with those around us simultaneously.

We can practice his presence in our daily activities and in our service which can help our contactand to gain awareness when we carry out our activities during the day. Most of us-including me-need constant reminders; From my point of view this is one of the main purposes of spiritualportal.net

SI; You speak of 'worrying' about contacting God in meditation. My worry? Yours? Both of ours? Wouldn't that be a bit of a contradiction? i mean the point is to get beyond worry! Hope we are not worrying about it! Yogananda spoke of the cause of worry as a result of being too much in the senses and too much in the nerves. Perhaps it would be better if we thought of it as intensity and remembrance in our practice.

He wants to let us allow Him to work thru us, but many decide to take things into their own hands, that's all.


I dont worry in that context, was the wrong word to use. PY says to hold onto that feeling after meditation as long as you can, that is effectively knowing God is here right now in the world we must live in and be a part of without running to a cave.

It is interesting that some people encourage communication on the one hand but close it down and will not allow it on the other hand. A bit of double speak. It is as though they want to communicate but it must be on their terms. In many incidents they actually will not even allow others to communicate because it is not done in a way that they see fit. They may not even give an explanation for their behavior.... Expecting somehow that others can read their minds or that others should have understood. It is a most peculiar phenomena that leads to isolation and closes them to the objective reality that others indeed have legitimate yet different views and it brings separation and division in relationships.

When people do this to us we will find that often these doors are being closed and others are being opened for us. We are spared the limitations that others place on spiritual awakening when they create an enforced vacuum with unwritten and unspoken parameters placed on spiritual associations and spiritual expansion.  It gives inversions of meanings to words expressed.  For instance let us have 'war for peace' or in this case do not communicate with certain others to facilitate our kind of communication. It is fortunate for us that we have an open means of communication here and allow others differing views.

i do not believe that this has ever happened here at spirualportal. If it has i hope to be told about it. Diversity and contrast help our growing awareness. Members or non members can always reach me by email if not here on the forum at ombabaji@hotmail.com about any such concerns. i see this as an important feature to follow since some people silence others with no explanation and i have seen it happen to others and myself.

We see that nations today control the media and the the citizens rights to communicate ideas. No wonder it takes place on the national and international scenes when we see it being implemented in personal relationships and even on small forums. There are also people who encourage it by knowingly and silently supporting people, forums, parties organizations and nations who resort to these kind of tactics. This kind of procedure and posture is indicative of a cloak and dagger approach to others and is certainly not spiritual in any way shape or form.

It may be as simple as some folk just do not understand you, so they take things in their own perception. It may not be purposeful, but just a lot of misunderstandings and inexperience.

Thank-You for your insights SI. They are helpful!

Yes i understand. But can u see it from my point of view? It is nice that u will communicate here. Many friends will not which makes communicating all the more challenging since we have to have time to take care of the responsibilities of our life as well. Communication and friendship has taken on a whole new dimension since the advent of the internet. Now we can communicate with many people and gain many friendships. Although many people still prefer to live in the past and old ways of communicating others refuse to communicate unless it is on their terms.

My communication takes place with my toes then if everything is working i may decide to communicate with my favorite tree. I also communicate with spirits in the cemetery and I have small fish that i get on with just fine. It depends on which kooky mood I am in.

                                                            The most noted moods of Dr. Kook

i kinda sort of...but not really... understand. i really like bird talk and hugging a tree and giving it love.

This is a very interesting point. i do not know how many people others have invited to this site but i invite people daily. Many of them do check out the site. Many of them join. Few communicate here. You cannot make people communicate the way you want. You (Brock) and SI have an interest in the internet because you work with it day in and day out. However i do not see your closest friends and associates communicating here in abundance. We often have to accept others on other terms since they serve important functions in our lives. Many people r frustrated with the internet... posts that disappear... passwords that r lost... computers that do not work for one reason or another.... scams... etc. Many people r tied into old ways of communication that friends may have had for years and years. This does not stop them from becoming members here and looking in from the outside.

i wish it could b different but this world is not set up according to my dictates. i see friends who have faded out of my life because they just would not meet me part of the way with my requests for communicating here. They still 'Do not do the internet thing or the forum thing.' It is quite like saying 'I don't do the phone thing' when phones first came into use. i have always seen myself as open to new inventions and new and progressive ways of doing things. However not everyone feels that way. i have found that many many people do not. With a new generation may come a new way of viewing communication. This too will someday be out dated. However for present purposes it is a satisfactory way to bring many people together with common interests and to communicate in numbers whereas phone calls, letters and meeting people are much more limited in practical terms of availability and sheer numbers of friends.

There is one more point here which i feel may be the most important point of all. We are but a zephyr blowing in on the western horizon. However we r part of a great pioneering movement. This movement will be like a mighty wind in times to come. Like any pioneering movement it is yet limited in numbers. Yet we are privileged to b able to see towards the future and represent it now.

i recently emailed this letter to a friend;

i know u have said that sometimes email is not the best way to communicate. That is y i have used the spiritualportal.net so well. i have met spiritual aspirants from all over the world there. Communication is much different today then when u and i spent time together. We can have many more friends by communicating with several of them at a time.  Some people want to stay in the past and spend time on the phone and seeing one another. There is nothing wrong with this however is is very difficult to spend so much personal time with another human being and simultaneously get our responsibilities done and have the enjoyment of other friends as well. Especially if there is no reciprocity in communication. Just some thoughts i wanted to share with you. i think i will put a similar post on spiritualportal.net!

SI recently u told me that forums r difficult to communicate on. Yet u offered no solution. i asked a good friend of mine if she was going to vote (she does not like the options) this next presidential election. She said any body that does not vote has no rite to complain. What usually happens to people who can find nothing more to do then complain and have criticisms about communication at distances is that they fall back into a pattern of living a very private life sheltered from views with others. However interaction with others at a distance brings an expanded awareness and ability to deal with socially challenging situations which is a reality of life. It brings together people with similar spiritual views. Otherwise we may be faced with more and more local folks who have no idea what we experience nor will they help us in our spiritual pursuits. It is even more difficult to communicate with such people who do not even have a clue as to what we r about.

thanks steve for the drop in and the wisdom...

sometimes its hard to let go once you've realized you are no longer a part of a persons life.

It takes quite a lot of gracefulness, poise, self awareness and kindness to be friendly under such occurrences. Most people do not even realize they r being tested for these qualities. Most people just don't have it. But we have the ability to be quite different. Regardless of what others set up for themselves we can set up a reality that is quite different for ourselves by our actions and attitudes towards such events and people.

It becomes easier and easier as we begin to understand the unkindness of some people. In reality we r blessed to have such people taken out of our lives. Where there is kindness u will see communication at some level. Where there is not the true colors of others finally fly there sad 😢
flags. It takes some years to often find this. But if someone refuses to communicate u r being spared their meanness. For those who practice kindness there r people who r kind. Let cruelty go. Let the abuse of using the silent treatment go. It is evident that some really do practice meanness. It is a mental illness. When people close forever all forms of communication; This shows extreme character deficiencies.

i have found a very interesting phenomena take place since the advent of computers, forums and texting. When i was a child and teen-ager we communicated by seeing one another and by writing letters that went thru the mail. We also could call one another. At that time there were people who were pen pals and others who spent time together physically and then there were those who spoke on the phone for long hours. If you wanted to have friends you had to compromise and meet people half way with their chosen form of communication.

Today we find ourselves in the same situation. Imagine if i was to demand a friend to write to me only by mail.... like we did years ago. Would i have many friends? But there are people today who demand that there friends continue communicating the way they want to and the way they feel most comfortable with but will not compromise. There are others who cut off communication completely as some form of punishment or hostility they have towards others. If someone completely cuts off all communication with us we have no choice but to come up with our own conclusions.

Imagine if we were to think to ourselves;"God does not talk to me therefore there is no God." Or "God does not make it easy to communicate with him so therefore i will not try". Well many people, if not most people in the world reason this way. However; we are going to have to meet God half way if we want to have rapport with him. In the same way we need to do this with friends. If we have been on the path for very long this life we find that we have sought and found various aspects of God thru those we have been with. How can we be unkind to that or to them?

Just a few thoughts for today.....

Chatted with Eric last night. He mentioned to me;  It is much better to have understanding then knowledge. Sometimes certain thoughts require much contemplation. It is also true that people perceive what they discuss and see quite differently. Someone may say “look there is a man over there 👉 who is tall and slender who is dark skinned and watching us. Another may say “no that is a sign posted with a trail marking” yet when we walk up close to the object we see it is only a log standing against an embankment with various features that appear to resemble a man to one person and a sign post to another. Hmmm 🤔 thanks Eric. So to, communication and conversations can be marred by such differences of understanding.

I remember reading the book Strangers in a Strange Land. It was a great science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein. In it the author used the word Grok as a central theme to the book. 'Grok' means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the observed—to merge, blend, intermarry, lose identity in group experience. It means almost everything that we mean by religion, philosophy, and science and it means as little to us as color does to a blind man."[4][5]

Thanks Steve, great point.