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Title: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 19, 2016 01:42 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/shrooms-affect-brain-psilocybin-really-152600718.html?nhp=1


Title: Re: Shrooms
Post by: b on Apr 19, 2016 02:15 am
Ram Dass says he gave his Guru LSD two times with no effect.

7:04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkmOdbJnMGw&t=7m4s


Title: Re: Shrooms
Post by: b on Apr 19, 2016 02:27 am
He (Maharajji) called LSD yogi medicine.


Title: Re: Shrooms
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 19, 2016 02:39 am
He (Maharajji) called LSD yogi medicine.

Thank-u b the video brought tears to my eyes. i believe it was because Ram Dass was making an effort to speak without displaying emotion for his beloved Guru.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 19, 2016 03:05 am
Yes I am pretty sure I have shed tears watching it too. I have seen it many times.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 19, 2016 03:09 am
He (Maharajji) is reported to have said that they used to know of these medicines (not LSD but something similar probably like shrooms) in the kulu valley but the knowledge got lost.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 20, 2016 08:45 am
He (Maharajji) is reported to have said that they used to know of these medicines (not LSD but something similar probably like shrooms) in the kulu valley but the knowledge got lost.

The whole drug scene influenced me to find these experiences naturally in meditation with no side-effects.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 20, 2016 09:20 am
Meditation can have side-effects too. But, yes, it sparked a movement that has influenced the culture since the 60's. It sent a lot of people to India who would bring back their experiences and beads. Ram Dass being an obvious example. In most cases meditation doesn't have nearly as dramatic an effect as psychedelics, especially not right away. You aren't guaranteed to experience anything unusual when you sit to meditate. That's especially true for someone new to it. This is quite different from shrooms or LSD. You get the experience right away, for better or worse. Some people don't seem to ever get anything out of meditation at all and perhaps those people would benefit from taking some trips in controlled circumstances. The taboo is an unfortunate demonstration of how far the long arm of propaganda can extend. I am interested in how they will start to use it (and they will) in a responsible and intelligent way. In my world, meditation and these substances don't have to be assumed mutually exclusive. But I am aware that there are people who will never be convinced that these substances weren't forged in the fires of hell, just as there are people that will never be convinced that meditation is not possession by devils. They'd probably outlaw meditation if they could. But the cause of psychedelics isn't really my battle to fight at this point. Although, if I were looking for a crusade it might be a worthy one. I have a feeling that the researchers are starting to realize it can't be ignored much longer. As Leary said, "I learned more about the mind in the 6 hours that I tripped mushrooms than all my previous years getting my psychology degree from Harvard."

Good video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOET9n8wnmo





Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 20, 2016 11:07 am
Biological and substance alternating conditions may be interesting and even inspiring but can never be considered true spiritual experiences. True spiritual experiences are from spirit and not from substances. We become different people from them. We gain tremendous wisdom and act different as human beings afterwards. We treat others differently and evolve as spiritual beings from meditation and true spiritual practice. This has been my experience.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 20, 2016 06:57 pm
I disagree.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 20, 2016 06:58 pm
Many people have been transformed after their experiences with psychedelics. There are biologically alternating conditions in meditation as well.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 20, 2016 07:24 pm
Many people have been transformed after their experiences with psychedelics. There are biologically alternating conditions in meditation as well.

You can pull up the roots and look at the plant and see much but what about the plant? In the same way you can alter the biological functions of the brain but eventually, if not immediately, it starts effecting all those functions until many of the original abilities are gone. U can see this in many musicians who have used such synthetic and natural drugs and herbs. What was once great music now becomes mediocre.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 20, 2016 07:45 pm
Did you get a chance to watch the video I posted?


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 20, 2016 11:42 pm
Did you get a chance to watch the video I posted?

Yes my friend...I liked it.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 20, 2016 11:58 pm
Did you get a chance to watch the video I posted?

Yes my friend...I liked it.

(http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7458/10915126643_298cfd7c5f.jpg)


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 21, 2016 01:31 am
As the saying goes; Different strokes for different folks. i didn't need all the drugs to get acquainted with meditation. Just dipped into the treasure rather early. Don't let the cosmetics fool u! Spirituality brings a change of approach to people and life. It is much much more then an evening high.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: SI on Apr 21, 2016 04:43 am
U can see this in many musicians who have used such synthetic and natural drugs and herbs. What was once great music now becomes mediocre.

There are many reasons why people who play music start to lose the magic, or never had it to begin with.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 21, 2016 04:43 am
So, I would argue, are psychedelics more than an evening high when used in certain circumstaces. They are part of many spiritual traditions such as those of the Native Americans and the Shamans from the amazon. I don't use them personally.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 21, 2016 04:48 am
If you are interested in pursuing this subject further, I can recommend some possibly eye opening movies. Here's one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT6Xkk-kzk


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: SI on Apr 21, 2016 04:48 am
Different strokes for different folks.

I would say that this is true. Some folks seem to have there eyes opened, as it were, initially, then they wisely decided they don't need it anymore. It may have helped at first.

Then there are those that don't know when to stop.

And there are those that don't understand how to use something like that properly.

For me, at this point, I don't think it would hinder nor help.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 21, 2016 05:05 am
Some have already decided what the value of these substances are, often without ever taking them or researching it at all. To those people, indeed, there is no conversation to be had and one must leave it at that. You haven't heard the last of these, though.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 21, 2016 05:15 am
Does this sound like an evening high? lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VavdCpewQbA


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 21, 2016 06:20 am
Some have already decided what the value of these substances are, often without ever taking them or researching it at all. To those people, indeed, there is no conversation to be had and one must leave it at that. You haven't heard the last of these, though.

i've been there. Mescaline.. peyote etc.. It is worth it to do again but i'm working on liberation. You can't rely on material substances for liberation. We're talking about physical and biological reactions in contradistinction to spiritual realization.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Beatrice Landcaster on Apr 21, 2016 06:50 am
I still say ya'l just missed the boat ⛵ sailin out to the corn fields. Nothing beats grandmas corn silk. It kills the silk worms restin in yo innards.

                                                                              Beatrice Landcaster


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 21, 2016 03:24 pm
I still say ya'l just missed the boat ⛵ sailin out to the corn fields. Nothing beats grandmas corn silk. It kills the silk worms restin in yo innards.

                                                                              Beatrice Landcaster

and this added to your spiritual understanding?


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Beatrice Landcaster on Apr 21, 2016 03:30 pm
I still say ya'l just missed the boat ⛵ sailin out to the corn fields. Nothing beats grandmas corn silk. It kills the silk worms restin in yo innards.

                                                                              Beatrice Landcaster

and this added to your spiritual understanding?

No you smart ass whippersnapper. Whachin' grandpa throwin snakes from the wood pile did that.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 21, 2016 03:33 pm
I still say ya'l just missed the boat ⛵ sailin out to the corn fields. Nothing beats grandmas corn silk. It kills the silk worms restin in yo innards.

                                                                              Beatrice Landcaster

and this added to your spiritual understanding?



No you smart ass whippersnapper. Whachin' grandpa throwin snakes from the wood pile did that.

i'm afraid to ask.....


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: SI on Apr 21, 2016 07:05 pm
I still say ya'l just missed the boat ⛵ sailin out to the corn fields. Nothing beats grandmas corn silk. It kills the silk worms restin in yo innards.

                                                                              Beatrice Landcaster

and this added to your spiritual understanding?



No you smart ass whippersnapper. Whachin' grandpa throwin snakes from the wood pile did that.

i'm afraid to ask.....

It's pretty clear why shrooms aren't needed.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 21, 2016 07:36 pm


It's pretty clear why shrooms aren't needed.


You know that's not too healthy thinkin' that way! You are probably burnin' your candle at both ends! Thinkin' bout this all nite to come up with such thoughts?
i'm in bewonderment.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 21, 2016 09:05 pm
I still say ya'l just missed the boat ⛵ sailin out to the corn fields. Nothing beats grandmas corn silk. It kills the silk worms restin in yo innards.

                                                                              Beatrice Landcaster

and this added to your spiritual understanding?



No you smart ass whippersnapper. Whachin' grandpa throwin snakes from the wood pile did that.

i'm afraid to ask.....

It's pretty clear why shrooms aren't needed.

 :D


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Frenchies Off Beat on Apr 21, 2016 09:46 pm
Having never been to Duzuldorf  or Zanasphere how could they possibly understand?


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 22, 2016 08:59 am
Having never been to Duzuldorf  or Zanasphere how could they possibly understand?

It would b a stretch of their imagination!


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 22, 2016 08:02 pm
So, I would argue, are psychedelics more than an evening high when used in certain circumstaces. They are part of many spiritual traditions such as those of the Native Americans and the Shamans from the amazon. I don't use them personally.

Yes i can understand this. For instance; Peyote was quite an eye opener for myself. i do not regret its use at all. For me .... that kind of experimentation has been limited and rare. I recently tried some hash again. It just doesn't compare to spiritual experiences. It (peyote and other psychedelics) can really show u what is there to b released in a human being. But the experiences in meditation seem more subtle and have a more of a lasting impression because of their sacredness. We see that we ourselves have been opened to love and light with no intermediary. No go-between.  Except the blessings of the Masters. When we have them we truly recognize that only spirit itself could give such awareness and opening up of consciousness to a larger reality.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 23, 2016 12:51 am

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Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 23, 2016 05:26 am
Watching this movie tonight. It is on NetFlix. Enjoying it so far. I might write up something about it later.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_UlAMocYXQw/movieposter.jpg)


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: b on Apr 23, 2016 05:45 am
y'all have to watch this movie. It is good.



Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 23, 2016 04:58 pm

Just had a meditation yesterday that gave me so much peace: Smoking weed and taking psychedelics just don't give that kind of peace. They also make it difficult to get back in the depth of your spiritual practice.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: SI on Apr 26, 2016 01:33 am
Having never been to Duzuldorf  or Zanasphere how could they possibly understand?

Yes we all have our little places, even non spiritual folk.


Title: Re: Shrooms/Psychedelics
Post by: SI on Apr 26, 2016 01:35 am
Just had a meditation yesterday that gave me so much peace: Smoking weed and taking psychedelics just don't give that kind of peace. They also make it difficult to get back in the depth of your spiritual practice.

Meditation is much cleaner.