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Title: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Sep 08, 2009 04:21 pm
The thought of two approaches to astrology has always fascinated me. The sidereal and the tropical astrologers both talk about the procession of the equinoxes. This is not a topic that is just accepted by sidereal astrologers. If you read western astrology you will see that the procession of the equinoxes is mentioned in these books.

What does this mean.... this procession? The earth rotates around the Sun every year. But also the Sun rotates around something every 24 to to 25 thousand years. This something is the zodiac as we know it. It takes that long for the Sun to come around to its original position.


Title: Re: Procession of the Equinoxes; Sidereal and Tropical Astrology
Post by: Katze on Sep 08, 2009 04:32 pm
Steve,

Your knowledge of Astrology always amazes me ! I find it a fascinating subject and there is always something new to learn about it. Thank you.

Into Blue


Title: Re: Procession of the Equinoxes; Sidereal and Tropical Astrology
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Sep 09, 2009 12:17 am
Thanks Into Blue. Sri Yukteswar in his book the 'Holy Science' and Elizabeth Haich in her book 'Initiation' are two people that have spoke in some depth about this large cycle of the Sun. Sri Yukteswar divides the 24,000 years into 12,000 years of ascending and 12,000 years of descending yugas. While our Sun is moving around the zodiac and the Zodiac is the backdrop for the Sun's position our Sun is circling around a grand center which is another Sun or star that our Sun has an important energy field. The closer we get to this center the more spiritualized are the inhabitants of our solar system. When we get the closest to this grand center the mental virtue, becomes so much developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of Spirit.

In higher ages past (Lemuria and Atlantis as examples) we were in such higher ages. Today we are just leaving the most darkest period (Kali Yuga) in our earths evolution and are in the throes of a higher rapid changing civilization (Dwapara Yuga) in which we are beginning to comprehend the energies inherent is the physical universe and finally those energies that manifest within our own beings. We are noticing how we use those energies and how they can awaken us to yet higher inner states of consciousness.

steve hydonus












Title: Re: Procession of the Equinoxes; Sidereal and Tropical Astrology
Post by: Katze on Sep 13, 2009 06:54 am
. While our Sun is moving around the zodiac and the Zodiac is the backdrop for the Sun's position our Sun is circling around a grand center which is another Sun or star that our Sun has an important energy field. The closer we get to this center the more spiritualized are the inhabitants of our solar system. When we get the closest to this grand center the mental virtue, becomes so much developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of Spirit.


Most interesting Steve. I started reading the book " Initiation " but got a bit confused in parts of it and didn't finish it. Interesting that there is a connection in topics in this book and Sri Yukteswar's  " Holy Science " book.

And now I understand, a little bit about the different ages , Kali Yuga and Dwpara Yuga.I always wondered what you were talking about when you used the Dwpara dates.

Into Blue   


Title: Re: Procession of the Equinoxes; Sidereal and Tropical Astrology
Post by: Starling on Sep 13, 2009 10:29 am
Steve had me read this book(Initiation) several years ago...I too was confused in parts of it, it was sometimes hard to follow. I have since purchased the book and reread it with better understanding. It follows the line of a novel...which I find very enjoyable :) It has been awhile, maybe? I will dig it out and read it again..it's just one of those type of books you can do that with.


Title: Re: Procession of the Equinoxes; Sidereal and Tropical Astrology
Post by: Katze on Sep 13, 2009 05:35 pm
Thanks Starling, maybe I need to try reading that book again.


Title: Re: Procession of the Equinoxes; Sidereal and Tropical Astrology
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Feb 26, 2015 11:51 am
http://vedanet.com/2012/06/13/keys-to-the-yugas-or-cycles-of-the-ages-subyugas-in-the-sri-yukteswar-yuga-cycle/

In this article the 'sandhi' or transitional periods are described about the change between yugas which we are now experiencing between the kali and the treta yugas.


Title: Re: Procession of the Equinoxes; Sidereal and Tropical Astrology
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Mar 05, 2015 11:57 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bulldozed-ancient-assyrian-city-nimrud-iraq-govt-203312292.html                                 

No wonder it is difficult to prove the existance of great past civilisations when extremists and religious zealots destroy them.


Title: Re: Procession of the Equinoxes; Sidereal and Tropical Astrology
Post by: mccoy on Mar 06, 2015 06:51 pm
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IS tries to justify the destruction by saying the statues are idolatrous, but experts say the jihadists traffic antiquities to fund their self-proclaimed "caliphate" and destroy only those pieces that are too bulky to be smuggled.

Fresh $$$ for their guns


Title: Re: Precession of the Equinoxes; Sidereal and Tropical Astrology
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Aug 19, 2015 05:07 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=189&v=8z97i3FBhSs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=189&v=8z97i3FBhSs)

Recently mccoy has brought up some great posts about various stars and their relation to each other. Some of his ideas appear to be  inspired by the precession of the equinoxes. We continue to try to understand our relationship to the heavens. There is great wisdom in this unfoldment-as above so below.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: SpiritImage on Aug 19, 2015 07:12 am
I was studying precession and pyramids relation years ago, very interesting stuff,

(http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a519/jfine7/precession.gif)


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Aug 19, 2015 11:56 am
An observation here. We are a mini microcosmic replica of a larger macro cosmic portrait. All these rotations that take place in the outer cosmos further evolve us and we are able to rotate this energy as well in our inner cosmos with the power of the energy rotating around the the various inner constellations with the help of the techniques given by such masters as Amma and Babaji.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Aug 26, 2015 11:02 pm
Something else interests me about the procession of the equinoxes. It follows the zodiacal belt including Sagittarius  which currently is where the center of the galaxy lies. The center of the galaxy will most probably follow the zodiacal belt in its (Apparent) retrograde motion. As u no doubt know the constellations along the zodiacal belt have always been considered most influential. Various angles to the planets, which also follow the zodiacal belt, are quite influential in releasing karmic circumstances of all sorts.

Why do we find the zodiacal belt so important? Because it is on a plain with the Sun and the galactic center. Somewhat like a plate or saucer. All other stars, to a lesser or greater degree follow this trijectory - the center of the galaxy spinning at the hub.

This would lead one to believe that our dual and Vishnunabhi (galctic center ?) would also follow the path of this galactic plain.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: mccoy on Aug 28, 2015 10:05 pm
Steve, you have a point here.

The zodiacal belt is found around the plane of the ecliptic. The constelaltions of the zodiacal belt according to astrology govern have the greatest influence on individual and collective affairs.
Hence, all other object of influence should be by logical inference located around the ecliptical plane.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Aug 29, 2015 01:20 am
Thanks Mccoy

One more thought.... wherever the Sun is taking us... it seems most likely it is taking us in a direction that is consistent with keeping the astrological constellations  and therefore the galactic center as a continuing plain, like a plate, as its rudder. How can this fact be ignored when considering where Vishnunabhi and are dual are located? Any movement our solar system would have is in this direction-closer and more distant. If this harmony did/does not exist we would easily be on a collision course with nearby star systems. Correct me if I am mistaken.

Like comic mathmatics; all the conventional geometric angles and thus planetary, the Sun and Moon and all objects form - 90°, 180°, 120° etc. (form)angles to our earth from the planets to the equater-the middle of our planet-and have significance to life patterns and conditions here on earth. We can think of solar systems and stars that do not lie on this plain as being parallel to the poles....in certain degrees apart. These are called declination aspects. This type of longitude measurement is more arbitrary then the equater- which is physically more discernable. Because where we find 0° must be assigned. Where we find 0° Latitude is more obvious.



Title: Sirius Does Not Precess
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Sep 02, 2015 05:32 am
www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/srg/SiriusResearchIntro.shtml


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: mccoy on Sep 03, 2015 01:10 am
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Mr. Homann concludes below that:
  "These observations clearly indicate that the so-called 'precession of the earth' is NOT a scientific fact, and that the Sirius system has a noticeable gravitational influence on our solar system."

In other words, the solar system according to Homann's interpretation is gravitationally linked to Sirius.

That may mean that Sirius is the sun's dual, Sirius and sun orbiting around a barycenter.

But Sirius already is a binary system, made up of Sirius A and the smaller sirius B:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Celestia_Sirius.jpg/220px-Celestia_Sirius.jpg)

So, if Homann is right, we woudl have a ternary star system, sirius A, sirius B and Sun.

Another possibility woudl be that the sun has a closer dual, sunB, and that this binary system orbits around the Sirius binary system.

If so, we would have a quadruple star system.

Even though fascinating, the latter hypothesis needs a candidate for sunB, whereas the former (the ternary system) would not need a sunB.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Sep 03, 2015 07:10 am
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Mr. Homann concludes below that:
  "These observations clearly indicate that the so-called 'precession of the earth' is NOT a scientific fact, and that the Sirius system has a noticeable gravitational influence on our solar system."

In other words, the solar system according to Homann's interpretation is gravitationally linked to Sirius.

That may mean that Sirius is the sun's dual, Sirius and sun orbiting around a barycenter.

But Sirius already is a binary system, made up of Sirius A and the smaller sirius B:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Celestia_Sirius.jpg/220px-Celestia_Sirius.jpg)

So, if Homann is right, we woudl have a ternary star system, sirius A, sirius B and Sun.

Another possibility woudl be that the sun has a closer dual, sunB, and that this binary system orbits around the Sirius binary system.

If so, we would have a quadruple star system.

Even though fascinating, the latter hypothesis needs a candidate for sunB, whereas the former (the ternary system) would not need a sunB.

While this system is plausible i still wonder about the orbit being close to a plain along the equator and not at the north pole. It seems like our orbit would be close to the plain of the equator. Wouldn't the earth be eccentric to this kind of dual since it appears to me it would be in contrast with the other planets of our solar system. Rotating at 90 degree angles to the celestial sphere. Wouldn't the Sun and the solar system be rotating perpendicular to the zodiac? How could procession be observed if that were the case?

It is the brightest star in the sky but i am having a hard time visualising us rotating around it.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Sep 30, 2018 06:00 am
https://www.encyclopedia.com/science-and-technology/astronomy-and-space-exploration/astronomy-general/precession-equinoxes

The best way for me to think of it is that the planets are moving around the Sun but the Sun itself is also moving around a circle that takes about 24, 000 some odd years to make its full circle. In that time from the earths point of view the Sun will have different stars behind it at any given time in this 24,000 year cycle; so the signs of the zodiac will change because the Sun has changed it position in relation to the ‘fixed’ stars. We must also recognize that the stars that appear to be fixed in relationship to the stars are also moving through the Milky Way and the Milky Way itself is moving in relationship to the other neighboring galaxies and... the galaxies are moving in relationship to the universe; so there are many movements taking place. Our earths movement in relationship to the Sun is called the tropical movement. Our Suns movement in relationship to nearby stars is called sidereal movement or sidereal and tropical astrology.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Dec 25, 2020 05:17 pm
http://www.viewzone.com/sirius.html


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Mar 21, 2021 10:33 pm
This video is validation of  the knowledge  of Sri Yukteswar of the influence of the  Darkest age of earth was at around 500 a.d.

https://youtu.be/s3YTfhJmh1I

I wonder do you also remember Emperor Justinian? Yes he was the man that determined reincarnation was a heresy. Most likely the one single most awful 😢 thing that happened to religion and the church. Still most of Christianity has little to no understanding what happened to their religion when this man helped make the teachings of Jesus intolerable for centuries to come and up till this day.... by substituting the truth from the fallacy of a eternal hell and heaven still preached today.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Oct 14, 2021 11:03 am
One view of why we have the procession of the equinoxes. This view is not my own but it is accepted widely;
https://modulouniverse.com/2018/06/24/spica-and-the-precession-of-the-equinoxes/

It comes with a good illustration.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Oct 15, 2021 05:48 pm
Observation from the ‘Suns day’ brings a different awareness than observation from the Suns apparent motion around the earth daily. By observing ‘a day’ of the Suns motion we begin to recognize that each year at the spring equinox the Sun is at a different degree. If we look at these observations we begin to understand that while the earth has a daily rotation the Sun has a 24,000 year rotation as well. This is called the procession of the equinoxes.

The complete genius of Sri Yukteswar becomes more recognizable when we take into account that he explained this phenomenon in the late 19 th century in his book ‘The Holy Science’ which not only explained  this motion but also described the social, political and spiritual changes that are associated with this motion.
The book was instigated and requested to be written by Mahavatar Babaji.

Quote  from Sri Yukteswar;

“My paramguruji maharaj Babaji smiled and, honoring me with the title of Swami, imposed on me the task of this book. I was chosen, I do not know the reason why, to remove the barriers and to help in establishing the basic truth in all religions.”

From page 12 of the book;

Written as the book is, under the inspiration of my paramgurudeva, and in a Dwapara Age of rapid development in all departments of knowledge, I hope that the significance of the book will not be missed by those for whom it is meant.

A short discussion with mathematical calculations  of the yugas or ages will explain the fact that the present age for the world is Dwapara Yuga, and that 194 years of the Yuga have now (a.d. 1894) passed away, bringing a rapid development in man's knowledge.

We learn from Oriental astronomy that moons revolve around their planets, and planets turning on their axes revolve with their moons round the sun; and the sun, with its planets and their moons, takes some star for its dual and revolves round it in about 24,000 years of our earth — a celestial phenomenon which causes the backward movement of the equinoctial points around the zodiac. The sun also has another motion by which it revolves round a grand center called Vishnunabhi, which is the seat of the creative power, Brahma, the universal magnetism. Brahma regulates dharma, the mental virtue of the internal world.



Title: Re: Sirius Does Not Precess
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Jun 17, 2022 04:25 am
www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/srg/SiriusResearchIntro.shtml

I wonder if Walter Cruttenden still has the same view?


Title: Re: Sirius Does Not Precess
Post by: mccoy on Jun 17, 2022 04:23 pm
www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/srg/SiriusResearchIntro.shtml

I wonder if Walter Cruttenden still has the same view?

It would seem so, judging from the BRI webpage. At first, the candidate for a dual star seemed to be a brown dwarf (or a black hole), the limitation being that the distance of the stars in this binary system had to be pretty small.
Then it became Sirius after the research of the Australian astronomer on the possible higher velocity of the sun was published, which allowed for a greater distance.


Title: Re: Sirius Does Not Precess
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Jun 17, 2022 06:26 pm
www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/srg/SiriusResearchIntro.shtml

I wonder if Walter Cruttenden still has the same view?

It would seem so, judging from the BRI webpage. At first, the candidate for a dual star seemed to be a brown dwarf (or a black hole), the limitation being that the distance of the stars in this binary system had to be pretty small.
Then it became Sirius after the research of the Australian astronomer on the possible higher velocity of the sun was published, which allowed for a greater distance.

I wonder if we could have a binary like Sirius yet at the same time both systems rotating closer and further from Alcyone. Would that be trinary? The two stars would not necessarily be orbiting a star like Alcyone but rather moving closer and further from it. Somebody must have thought of that possibility before me.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: mccoy on Jun 28, 2022 09:31 am
Steve, if I understood your question, it would make it a ternary (Sun+SiriusA+SiriusB) or a quadruple system (sun+dual+SiriusA+SiriusB), multiple systems are pretty common, it seems that multiple star systems have been observed up to a septuple system.

What is so difficult about the hypothesis of the sun belonging to a multiple system is that it has not been proved by direct observations or gravitational modeling. probably, the astronomer who would give such evidence would win a Nobel prize, so there has not been a lack of effort in that sense.

I would favor the hypothesis of a primordial black hole being the dual of the sun (an invisible black hole by the size of an apple), although this should have been explored by professional astronomers. The gravitational effects should be detectable.


Title: Re: precession of the equinoxes explained
Post by: Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us? on Jun 28, 2022 02:27 pm
Steve, if I understood your question, it would make it a ternary (Sun+SiriusA+SiriusB) or a quadruple system (sun+dual+SiriusA+SiriusB), multiple systems are pretty common, it seems that multiple star systems have been observed up to a septuple system.

What is so difficult about the hypothesis of the sun belonging to a multiple system is that it has not been proved by direct observations or gravitational modeling. probably, the astronomer who would give such evidence would win a Nobel prize, so there has not been a lack of effort in that sense.

I would favor the hypothesis of a primordial black hole being the dual of the sun (an invisible black hole by the size of an apple), although this should have been explored by professional astronomers. The gravitational effects should be detectable.

As I understand ‘your’ statement you may be correct about the possibilities of either (Sun+dual+SiriusA with SiriusB included only because it is relatively close to Sirius B) or the possibility of (Sun+Black hole B) and furthermore more likely correct about those two or even another possibility that has yet to be imagined to explain why Babaji would have been satisfied with Sri Yukteswar and Paramahansa Yogananda’s many references to this phenomenon. And many of his followers are most likely not dreaming up an explanation for the history, architecture and  archaeology evidence that corroborated the presence of massive evidence of intelligence far surpassing our own civilization at many times in the past.

The mind and therefore science has many explanations for physical and evolving recognition of historical facts. Yet it continues to come up with more and more plausible explanations for all aspects of life and that is what seems most likely here as well. That is why a Nobel Peace Prize has not yet been given out to those who perhaps deserve it most. And most likely also why Babaji will smile about such prizes from human beings and smile 😊 at mccoy’s wry sense of humor which comes from the convoluted folds of his mind to explain the conjectures from the primordial 🥣 soup of the past. 😝