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Title: Caste bias in Hinduism
Post by: nobody on Oct 04, 2018 11:15 am
Asked by Lord Rama why was he performing religious rituals, Shambuka, the one described as of lower caste said:

    "Oh Rama, I was born of a Shudra alliance and I am performing this rigorous penance in order to acquire the status of a God in this body. I am not telling a lie, O Rama, I wish to attain the Celestial Region. Know that I am a Shudra and my name is Shambuka."

    As he was yet speaking, Raghava, drawing his brilliant and stainless sword from its scabbard, cut off his head. The Shudra being slain, all the Gods and their leaders with Agni's followers, cried out, "Well done! Well done!" overwhelming Rama with praise, and a rain of celestial flowers of divine fragrance fell on all sides, scattered by Vayu. In their supreme satisfaction, the Gods said to that hero, Rama "Thou hast protected the interests of the Gods, O Highly Intelligent Prince, now ask a boon, O Beloved Offspring of Raghu, Destroyer of Thy Foes. By thy grace, this Shudra will not be able to attain heaven!"

https://archive.org/details/The.Ramayana.of.Valmiki.by.Hari.Prasad.Shastri/page/n1583


Title: Re: Caste bias in Hinduism
Post by: sk17 on Oct 04, 2018 12:08 pm
Asked by Lord Rama why was he performing religious rituals, Shambuka, the one described as of lower caste said:

    "Oh Rama, I was born of a Shudra alliance and I am performing this rigorous penance in order to acquire the status of a God in this body. I am not telling a lie, O Rama, I wish to attain the Celestial Region. Know that I am a Shudra and my name is Shambuka."

    As he was yet speaking, Raghava, drawing his brilliant and stainless sword from its scabbard, cut off his head. The Shudra being slain, all the Gods and their leaders with Agni's followers, cried out, "Well done! Well done!" overwhelming Rama with praise, and a rain of celestial flowers of divine fragrance fell on all sides, scattered by Vayu. In their supreme satisfaction, the Gods said to that hero, Rama "Thou hast protected the interests of the Gods, O Highly Intelligent Prince, now ask a boon, O Beloved Offspring of Raghu, Destroyer of Thy Foes. By thy grace, this Shudra will not be able to attain heaven!"

https://archive.org/details/The.Ramayana.of.Valmiki.by.Hari.Prasad.Shastri/page/n1583

Unfortunately caste bias is still prelevant in rural areas of india. But in urban areas , caste bias is almost non existent now.


Title: Re: Caste bias in Hinduism
Post by: VedicExplorer on Oct 04, 2018 12:42 pm
The killing of Shambuka appears in the 'Uttarakanda' [Final Chapter], sargas 73-76, in the Adhyatma Ramayana version of Ramayana, not in the original version. Scholars such as Purushottama Candra Jaina, and John Brockington write that this story "is of late origin".
-Source: Wikipedia


Title: Re: Caste bias in Hinduism
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 04, 2018 12:57 pm
If the Hindu texts are anything like the Bible; a great portion is folklore. Just something someone wrote down for entertainment in their spare time. Amma who is a true living Master was asked; “Is the Bible true?” She responded; “some of it”.


Title: Re: Caste bias in Hinduism
Post by: sk17 on Oct 04, 2018 07:35 pm
If the Hindu texts are anything like the Bible; a great portion is folklore. Just something someone wrote down for entertainment in their spare time. Amma who is a true living Master was asked; “Is the Bible true?” She responded; “some of it”.

Yes, I read bible and many hindu scriptures too and some  of the verses seems that writer had written this in his free time while smoking pot.  :D


Title: Re: Caste bias in Hinduism
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 06, 2018 01:21 am
If the Hindu texts are anything like the Bible; a great portion is folklore. Just something someone wrote down for entertainment in their spare time. Amma who is a true living Master was asked; “Is the Bible true?” She responded; “some of it”.

Yes, I read bible and many hindu scriptures too and some  of the verses seems that writer had written this in his free time while smoking pot.  :D

That is hilarious but I do think that people that were other then spiritual added a little drama here and there to fit there beliefs and also deleted things here and there that did not fit their beliefs😳 As you say some of it may have been drug induced and inspired🤪 this can be said about the Koran as well. I think we have to take the teachings into our laboratory of meditation and experience to find what rings true for us.


Title: Re: Caste bias in Hinduism
Post by: sk17 on Oct 06, 2018 05:03 pm
If the Hindu texts are anything like the Bible; a great portion is folklore. Just something someone wrote down for entertainment in their spare time. Amma who is a true living Master was asked; “Is the Bible true?” She responded; “some of it”.

Yes, I read bible and many hindu scriptures too and some  of the verses seems that writer had written this in his free time while smoking pot.  :D

That is hilarious but I do think that people that were other then spiritual added a little drama here and there to fit there beliefs and also deleted things here and there that did not fit their beliefs😳 As you say some of it may have been drug induced and inspired🤪 this can be said about the Koran as well. I think we have to take the teachings into our laboratory of meditation and experience to find what rings true for us.


Yes, there is some evidence that muhammad used some mind altering substances ;D


Title: Re: Caste bias in Hinduism
Post by: tides2dust on Oct 06, 2018 08:13 pm
And if all of mans sacred text were somehow destroyed, the spirit would live on.

Words have yet to satisy a transcendental experience.

Gurunath says a teacher informs and a master transforms.