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Title: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 19, 2009 08:58 am
I think that restlessness is one of the greatest enemies of a good meditation practice. i have observed this for many years and have some ways that i have started to overcome it. i wonder if others would like to comment on this subject?

Jitendra


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Live to Learn on Dec 19, 2009 01:46 pm
I agree on the idea that restlessness is "one of the greatest enemies of a good meditation practise". I have resolved already to make 2010 my year for establishing a good meditation practise, so that I can deepen in the following years. So, if you have any strategies for overcoming restlessness, I would be very pleased to hear them, Jitendraji.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: prabhatsinha on Dec 19, 2009 04:54 pm
Hi Steve!
What are those ways?
Prabhat Sinha


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 19, 2009 07:49 pm
Thanks for the interest Prabhat and Live to Learn. It seems that restless  feeling is often gives us the idea to get up and end our meditations. However it can manisfest at any time. i was at the grocery store and noticed myself getting restless waitng in line. i think that this search for God requires a lot of patience. Patience with ourselves, patience with others and patience with our search for God. We can always find ways to occupy our minds when we get restless. If we are too restless to wait in a line or meditate we can use that time praying and giving an extra effort to practicing the presence.

i also have found that being around people who are restless and worldly is a strong detriment to spiritual practice. We/i tend to not practice the presence as much and we become the vibes and aura of those we surround ourselves with. Well that's a start maybe some of you can contribute. This subject is vast in its scope. The answers and solutions might seem simple but putting it in practice is not always so simple. If we were not so restless our spiritual stature would be much more noticeable. So i have to remind myself of these things when the events and circumstances bring them out in me.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: prabhatsinha on Dec 22, 2009 04:07 pm
All comes to control of mind. Either with bhakti or gyan.
Prabhat sinha


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Katze on Dec 27, 2009 02:53 pm
I have experienced this restless feeling during meditation, this get up and end the meditation feeling. It is very difficult to conquer this feeling and return to the meditation, once it has started. I am wondering if there is possibly a message in this restlessness ? Seems to be, most everything else has a message or a lesson connected to it.

I noticed a restless feeling last night, there were a few stressful events, so I decided to just not deal with anything and go to sleep. Of course, sleep wasn't co- operating, and I thought ok, just relax and meditate a bit. That wasn't working either. Thoughts kept drifing in and out, no particular thoughts, just random ones... eventually I fell asleep.

So, just wondering about the possibility of " restlessness " being some kind of message. I am not thinking it means to focus or have patience, those messages are overused, lol ! So any other ideas ?

Into Blue 


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Katze on Dec 27, 2009 02:55 pm
Prabhat,

Can you explain a little bit, what is bhakti and gyan ?



Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 27, 2009 04:32 pm
i actually wanted to put this with Lesson 15 about 'Good and Bad Habits' But it seemed to glare at me while reading this lesson.

'Those who meditate little, and vaguely feel they may some day contact God, find that their desire to do so vanishes when they are invaded by the pwerful habit of restlessness.'

'A man who is always restless, and never meditative, thinks that he is all right because he has become accustomed to being a slave of restlessness. However, as soon as he tries to meditate and be calm, he finds resistance from the bad habit of mental fickleness. But after he has formed the habit of meditation, he learns that when the habit  of restlessness tries to usurp the throne of his consciousness, it finds new meditation-guard and the awakened occult soldiers of past lives offering resistance.

Sometimes it helps to know what we are experiencing and why. This lesson was meant for many of us. Paramahansa Yogananda has many good recomendations for restlessness including right company, the food we eat, the places we inhabit and our attitudes.

Steve Hydonus


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Katze on Dec 27, 2009 04:42 pm
Thank you Steve. Once again, it seems that meditation is the key. I will re- read lesson 15, and the meditation lesson. Somehow I had a feeling that regular meditation practices would enter into the conversation.

Interesting to note, how past life whatevers continually make an appearance in this current life, in this case, " awakened occult soldiers of past lives offering resistance" .

Yes, I can relate to Yogananda's good recommendations, I have recently come to notice this more and more. People, places and things that once held an interest, seem to be fading away, slow by slow. 

Into Blue


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 27, 2009 05:04 pm
Thank you Steve. Once again, it seems that meditation is the key. I will re- read lesson 15, and the meditation lesson. Somehow I had a feeling that regular meditation practices would enter into the conversation.

Interesting to note, how past life whatevers continually make an appearance in this current life, in this case, " awakened occult soldiers of past lives offering resistance" .

Yes, I can relate to Yogananda's good recommendations, I have recently come to notice this more and more. People, places and things that once held an interest, seem to be fading away, slow by slow. 

Into Blue


 ;)  'The beginner on the spiritual path may take courage from this thought: No matter how many times a man suffers from powerful attacts of sense-attractions and restlessness-producing material desires, he finds the meditation-born, occult soldiers of ths life, and past lives, coming to his aid." ~Yogananda


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Katze on Dec 27, 2009 05:24 pm
Thank you Yogananda  :)


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: prabhatsinha on Dec 29, 2009 02:53 pm
Hi Into!
Bhakti means devotion and gyan is wisdom.
Prabhat


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Katze on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 am
Thank you Prabhat  :)


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: blue nova on Jan 05, 2010 04:28 pm
restless mind....

i try to reach God....sometimes it is hard to hear Him/Her through the dins of life.

what i do in this case....silent chant.....or silent conversations...or use imagination as fuel, hold my arms out for Hug from God.

an example(s) of what i might say to our All Loving Parent....a simple "i love you",,,over and over.  or " i want to see what you do, i want to hear what you do, i want to think as you think...i want to be just like you ".   this...creates love in the heart....

what parent...can resist their child coming to them with arms held out wanting love from parent ??

 :) :) ;)

love & (((Hugs)))
blue nova


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 05, 2010 06:04 pm
restless mind....

i try to reach God....sometimes it is hard to hear Him/Her through the dins of life.

what i do in this case....silent chant.....or silent conversations...or use imagination as fuel, hold my arms out for Hug from God.

an example(s) of what i might say to our All Loving Parent....a simple "i love you",,,over and over.  or " i want to see what you do, i want to hear what you do, i want to think as you think...i want to be just like you ".   this...creates love in the heart....

what parent...can resist their child coming to them with arms held out wanting love from parent ??

 :) :) ;)

love & (((Hugs)))
blue nova

...and you will feel the physical embrace of God if/when you see Amma in her planned visit to Detroit next summer.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: blue nova on Jan 06, 2010 04:23 pm
_/\_ Steve  :)

His Hugs......sometimes, He holds on with a 'bear-like grip "   :) 

sometimes, He hesitates to let go.....just as i hesitate to let Him go ...when it comes 'time to part'....

altho...we never truly seperate....

as we 'part'....His Love holds on.....and i take that with me....

Love and (((Hugs)))


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 10, 2010 07:47 pm
_/\_ Steve  :)

His Hugs......sometimes, He holds on with a 'bear-like grip "   :) 

sometimes, He hesitates to let go.....just as i hesitate to let Him go ...when it comes 'time to part'....

altho...we never truly seperate....

as we 'part'....His Love holds on.....and i take that with me....

Love and (((Hugs)))

Jai Guru Jai Ma i can relate.....


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: flying squirrel on Jan 12, 2010 01:09 pm
 "Know your mind as the sky;
Allow everything to pass on through,
The clouds, the lightning, the winds,
All of it, even the blue itself.
Don't even get caught on the blue.
See and hear whatever arises,
But don't grasp at anything.
Don't even get caught on the sky. "


- Ji Aoi Isshi




Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 12, 2011 05:50 pm
I agree on the idea that restlessness is "one of the greatest enemies of a good meditation practise". I have resolved already to make 2010 my year for establishing a good meditation practise, so that I can deepen in the following years. So, if you have any strategies for overcoming restlessness, I would be very pleased to hear them, Jitendraji.

Pranams to Live to Learn Miss your presence here.

Mindfulness is a good way to observe restlessness. What is restlessness? i was witnessing restlessness for quite of period of time yesterday while 'sitting'. Isn't restlessness anticipating the future? Isn't restlessness a lack of faith in what will come? Isn't restlessness desire that things will turn out a certain way? Watching restless behavior. It is never being satisfied with what is. Watching the restless thoughts continue to b anywhere but in the present. The present: where all answers will manifest if we clear r mind and then pray for solutions.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: prabhatsinha on Dec 12, 2011 07:32 pm
one of my  relative was with me recently. he met a sanyasi in the train who read  the original manuscript of Nesfield(writer of  grammer  book). There Nesfield mentioned Past tense, present and future  tense and said tense means tension. past and  future gives tension.
The present was written without the word tense.I don't know whether the story is correct. But present is the god's present and
other two are  tense(tension).


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Dec 13, 2011 12:43 am
one of my  relative was with me recently. he met a sanyasi in the train who read  the original manuscript of Nesfield(writer of  grammer  book). There Nesfield mentioned Past tense, present and future  tense and said tense means tension. past and  future gives tension.
The present was written without the word tense.I don't know whether the story is correct. But present is the god's present and
other two are  tense(tension).

Sometimes when we empty ourselves of the past and the future we feel the emptiness of the present. In that emptiness can b deposited helpful console on present affairs that we often gather after r meditation session.

Jitendra


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 17, 2012 08:00 am
One of the best deterents to restlessness is to seek out like minded people and group meditation practice. The occult soldiers from past spiritual efforts will come forth.  It is also helpful to pray to God saying: God I cannot sit still without your help. Please help me. Every parent will help their children if they need help. Like wise our cosmic parent will help us.

Jitendra


I have experienced this restless feeling during meditation, this get up and end the meditation feeling. It is very difficult to conquer this feeling and return to the meditation, once it has started. I am wondering if there is possibly a message in this restlessness ? Seems to be, most everything else has a message or a lesson connected to it.

I noticed a restless feeling last night, there were a few stressful events, so I decided to just not deal with anything and go to sleep. Of course, sleep wasn't co- operating, and I thought ok, just relax and meditate a bit. That wasn't working either. Thoughts kept drifing in and out, no particular thoughts, just random ones... eventually I fell asleep.

So, just wondering about the possibility of " restlessness " being some kind of message. I am not thinking it means to focus or have patience, those messages are overused, lol ! So any other ideas ?

Into Blue 



I agree on the idea that restlessness is "one of the greatest enemies of a good meditation practise". I have resolved already to make 2010 my year for establishing a good meditation practise, so that I can deepen in the following years. So, if you have any strategies for overcoming restlessness, I would be very pleased to hear them, Jitendraji.

Hi Steve!
What are those ways?
Prabhat Sinha


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: elfun on Nov 17, 2012 10:04 am
“You live like this, sheltered, in a delicate world, and you believe you are living. Then you read a book(Lady Chatterley, for instance), or you take a trip, or you talk with friends, and you discover that you are not living, that you are hibernating. The symptoms of hibernating are easily detectable: first, restlessness. The second symptom(when hibernating becomes dangerous and might degenerate into death): absence of pleasure. That is all. It appears like an innocuous illness. Monotony, boredom, death. Millions live like this(or die like this) without knowing it. They work in offices. They drive a car. They picnic with their families. They raise children. And then some shock treatment takes place, a person, a book, a song, and it awakens them and saves them from death."


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: elfun on Nov 17, 2012 10:07 am
“Restlessness is discontent and discontent is the first necessity of progress. Show me a thoroughly satisfied man and I will show you a failure.” ~ Thomas Alva Edison  :-\


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: elfun on Nov 17, 2012 10:09 am
“Even if all these needs are satisfied, we may still often, if not always, expect that a new discontent and restlessness will soon develop, unless the individual is doing what he is fitted for. A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet”  ;) 8)


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: elfun on Nov 17, 2012 10:11 am
“Some slaves are scoured to their work by whips, others by their restlessness and ambition.”


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: elfun on Nov 17, 2012 10:16 am
“Greed, activity, restlessness, passion, and undertaking of [selfish] works arise when Rajas is predominant, O Arjuna.”  ;) 8)


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: yoshi on Nov 18, 2012 03:13 am
“Restlessness is discontent and discontent is the first necessity of progress. Show me a thoroughly satisfied man and I will show you a failure.” ~ Thomas Alva Edison  :-\

first part of the quote i agree with but i do not agree with....."show me a thoroughly satisfied man and i will show you a failure"....

i am just guessing here....christ was a thoroughly satisfied man.....he was not a failure.

i am guessing...that many gurus of god are thoroughly satisfied...they are /were not failures.

mother theresa.....saint francis....etc

i am guessing that mr.edison was speaking of 'main stream society'.....but still, it is not a true statement.

of course, unless....you find that christ and the others i mention above, you consider failures.....

love&hugs&om
yoshi


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: yoshi on Nov 18, 2012 04:05 am
“Greed, activity, restlessness, passion, and undertaking of [selfish] works arise when Rajas is predominant, O Arjuna.”  ;) 8)

i would like to clarify something....

Passion is a term applied to a very strong feeling about a person or thing. Passion is an intense emotion compelling feeling, enthusiasm, or desire for something.

so....we can have passion for or towards god.

??


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Oct 30, 2014 11:34 pm
One who is accustomed to meditating and contacting God will like to meditate more and more in order to commune with God more frequently. Those who meditate little and only vaguely feel his presence find that their desire to meditate and contact God vanishes when the mind is invaded by the powerful habit of restlessness. Likewise those who are accustomed to being calm attract calmness and serenity, while those who are a little calm find their calmness easily disturbed when restlessness invades.  Strong unspiritual habits entirely destroy the power of weak spiritual habits.~Paramahansa Yogananada


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: mccoy on Oct 31, 2014 11:54 pm
Restlessness in meditation is a serious obstacle which should be dealt with and adequate strategy. A strategy of war. Unfortunately, a busy life favours restlessness. Being retired would be a definite advantage. But Satan is working to avoid that. In my country retirement age is swifting upward evermore.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 19, 2014 06:16 am
Restlessness in meditation is a serious obstacle which should be dealt with and adequate strategy. A strategy of war. Unfortunately, a busy life favours restlessness. Being retired would be a definite advantage. But Satan is working to avoid that. In my country retirement age is swifting upward evermore.

Your use of the word Satan interests me. i usually use the word maya to describe a similar energy. But the use of 'Satan' seems to really personalize this evil that often controls people or tempts us to do things we would not normaly do if it wasnt for the enticing nature that allures us.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: mccoy on Nov 21, 2014 07:15 pm
Yes, of course the term is not specific to everyone's case, since it is not that Satan is interested in my personal case, rather he commands his legions of evil powers which are doing there best to keep humankind in a state of delusion.

Overpopulation, greed, wars, you name it. It's all the fruit of negative or evil ideas seeded by Satan's troops


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 22, 2014 02:09 am
Yes, of course the term is not specific to everyone's case, since it is not that Satan is interested in my personal case, rather he commands his legions of evil powers which are doing there best to keep humankind in a state of delusion.

Overpopulation, greed, wars, you name it. It's all the fruit of negative or evil ideas seeded by Satan's troops

It sounds like you really do believe that there are a group of entities that really just want to make life miserable for other people.
I'm not doubting you.... just questions come up in my mind. What kind of satisfaction can this give them?


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: mccoy on Nov 22, 2014 11:12 pm
it sounds like you really do believe that there are a group of entities that really just want to make life miserable for other people.
I'm not doubting you.... just questions come up in my mind. What kind of satisfaction can this give them?

Steve, they are deranged spirits. what satisfaction has a sadistic person seeing others suffering? He enjoys that simply because it's part of his derangement. Those entities enjoy chaos and doom, they like it even as we like to breath pure mountain air.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Nov 23, 2014 10:18 am
it sounds like you really do believe that there are a group of entities that really just want to make life miserable for other people.
I'm not doubting you.... just questions come up in my mind. What kind of satisfaction can this give them?

Steve, they are deranged spirits. what satisfaction has a sadistic person seeing others suffering? He enjoys that simply because it's part of his derangement. Those entities enjoy chaos and doom, they like it even as we like to breath pure mountain air.

hmmm.  The part that does not make sense is that what we do to others we also do to ourselves. So being cruel to others will cause cruelty to ourselves. i suppose these entities do not believe this which means they are under the sway of avidya and maya.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: mccoy on Apr 05, 2015 02:09 am
hmmm.  The part that does not make sense is that what we do to others we also do to ourselves. So being cruel to others will cause cruelty to ourselves. i suppose these entities do not believe this which means they are under the sway of avidya and maya.

There have been livign examples of such demonic creatures. One of them is Stalin., Even more than Hitler.

He was cruel to millions of people, his own people. He cultivated Revenge. He was a master of deception. He never had any thoughts about cruelties to himself. Nobody or nothing could be cruel to him because he was totally heartless.
Hard to understand these creatures.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Apr 22, 2015 04:44 pm
Monkeys love to imitate whatever they see and some persons are like that. Monkeys are very restless too, always moving and frisking about. Their are people also who cannot rest even for a few minutes. They have to keep going all the time. Monkey like personalities imitate others' customs, fashions, idiosyncrasies, good or bad habits and ideals without discrimination. Imitation without reason is productive of little good. ( However even blind imitation of good principles is good, and imitation of evil habits is of course harmful. )


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 01, 2015 02:25 pm
"So I say to you, seek God, and discover Him and make Him a power in your life.
Without Him all of our efforts turn to ashes and our sunrises into darkest nights.
Without Him, life is a meaningless drama with the decisive scenes missing.
But with him we are able to rise from the fatigue of despair to the buoyancy of hope.
With Him we are able to rise from the midnight of desperation to the daybreak of Joy.
St. Augustine was right: 'we were made for God and we will be restless until we find rest in Him.'
 
Love yourself, if that means rational, healthy, and moral self-interest. You are commanded to do that. That is the length of life. Love your neighbor as you love yourself. You are commanded to do that. That is the length of breadth of life.
But never forget that there is a first and even greater commandment, “Love the Lord your God with all thy heart and all thy soul and all thy mind.” This is the height of life. And when you do this you live the complete life.”

~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

   


   


   





Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on May 05, 2015 09:44 am
I have found that it is often easier to meditate when you wake up in the middle of the nite. Because it is really quiet
and there is less restless activity both internally and externally. One challenging factor though can be the temptation to go rite back asleep.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: mccoy on May 05, 2015 03:30 pm
I have found that it is often easier to meditate when you wake up in the middle of the nite. Because it is really quiet
and there is less restless activity both internally and externally. One challenging factor though can be the temptation to go rite back asleep.

...Or falling asleep anyway while meditating cross-legged. Happened often to me. The body remains in the posture, the mind starts dreaming. Or hallucinating.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 16, 2015 05:49 pm
Often we are able to witness restlessness in ourselves and those around us. As someone becomes more and more restless they are more and more irritable, less patient and more easily angered. If we allow ourselves little or no time for meditation we will soon be overwhelmed by such conditions and usually people who are.... blame their condition on others.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: SpiritImage on Aug 19, 2015 04:57 am
Often we are able to witness restlessness in ourselves and those around us. As someone becomes more and more restless they are more and more irritable, less patient and more easily angered. If we allow ourselves little or no time for meditation we will soon be overwhelmed by such conditions and usually people who are.... blame their condition on others.

I think so too, however, most all day long I am surrounded by restless people, maybe except for the CEO. Easy to blame them though when you're the only one around that is trying to NOT be restless.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 23, 2016 08:51 pm
Recently it has become clear to me how impossible it is to cover every path and form of meditation. I've found this is an impossible task and unnecessary. There is not life or time enough to justify trying it. It is a person seeking something that satisfies them, but once you have found a teaching that grabs you, I feel it's better to give that the attention it deserves rather than endlessly surveying all the countless paths out there(as many as their are people).

Peace, love, I'll shutup now.

 ;D

Yes i would agree but this forum is not just about my path. On the flip side though sometimes we are justifying restless activity. Restlessness has many faces.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Feb 06, 2017 06:25 pm
i checked thru these pages and one thing that i see missing is meditation techniques. i have found that having many different approaches to meditation make the practice exciting, less routine and sometimes stale. When i feel restlessness come upon me and find it hard to settle down i often change my routine and try some practices that occupy the mind or the body until i have calmed down. This is the advantage of having lessons on meditation...having Spiritual Guides and Gurus. They know how difficult it can be to settle the mind and have created many techniques to do so. There are a tremendous amount of techniques to practice with the breath alone and we can always get up energize, practice hatha yoga, jog or swim to equalize and release tensions that cause restlessness. i often do the 10-10-10 breathing exercises. Tense and relax body parts and remain mindful of any residual tension in the body that contributes to restlessness. i also like doing the 15-25-40 breath holds that Paramahansa Yogananda mentions in his Lessons. At times i practice affirmations and visualization exercises as well to calm a restless mind.

One further important observation. Everybody has things they want to accomplish and manifest in their lives: A home. Pay the bills. Get a car. Find a boyfriend or girlfriend. Experience an emotional high. Sexual satisfaction. The right political system that fits our ideas. Have friends. And the list goes on. But what we do not realize is that all these desires, though may not in themselves be bad, contribute to a restless mind. Very few people are happy with what is, what they have and more importantly what they are.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: mccoy on Feb 07, 2017 12:51 pm
...

One further important observation. Everybody has things they want to accomplish and manifest in their lives: A home. Pay the bills. Get a car. Find a boyfriend or girlfriend. Experience an emotional high. Sexual satisfaction. The right political system that fits our ideas. Have friends. And the list goes on. But what we do not realize is that all these desires, though may not in themselves be bad, contribute to a restless mind. Very few people are happy with what is, what they have and more importantly what they are.

+1 on that, avoiding material and mental clutter is vital.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 10, 2018 01:21 pm
Without a comfortable and relaxed body it is very difficult to meditate. This means keeping in shape so that we are not bothered by aches and pains. That is why hatha yoga was developed, energization exercises by Yogananda and
IAM exercises by Amma as well as hatha yoga at her retreats. However the mind itself makes the body restless and tense.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: tides2dust on Jan 23, 2018 05:22 am
I try to keep it simple and focus back to the breath. I layed outside tonight to meditate- we had clear skies. I noticed many distractions- like my thoughts and my surroundings. I continued to lay on my back and breathe. Every now and again my thoughts would pull me away from the present. Thinking on the past, thinking on the future- how I’d react or choose what to say to things that haven’t happened and truly don’t matter. I’d try to let these go by recognizing it as ego and maybe even a distraction from the present moment then going back to the breath. When I did this I noticed a comet. I think it was a comet, it was a quick white light shooting across the sky and quickly disappearing as it hurled forward. I thought that was pretty neat... anyways, sometimes a car would drive by and distract me from the meditation or some neighbors would walk by and I noticed them. I tried to dismiss it and keep my eyes rested on a fixed point in the nights sky and breathe. Tonight had many distractions and restlessness isn’t just physical but mental too. Slowing down and focusing back to the breath helped me be present, which is all I was trying to do tonight...


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jan 23, 2018 06:00 pm
Eric and everyone else.

Thanks for this entry. Sometimes we feel as though we are alone in this struggle and it is easy to give up some of our practice because of temporary distractions and pressing concerns....never acknowledging that history on this earth has never been different personally and socially. There will always be drama around us to keep us away from our most important appointment and purpose in life. That is to use this life, while we can, to be spiritually free and find increased awareness and enlightenment.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: tides2dust on Jul 14, 2018 08:19 am
I would like to thank you Steve for creating this thread,
Yoshi, Prabat, Katze, B, SI, Mccoy, Elfun and all others who have contributed to this spiritual anchor nestled here in the portal.

I was restless all day today, not just in meditation. I was restless upon waking. I felt off as I tried to combat it through out the day. Even at work, I noticed a customer exhibit very strange behavior. I greeted her when she walked in but was ignored; while I helped another customer at the cash register she was forced to wait behind him with her 1 item. Not even 2 minutes went by when she placed the item back and walked out the store seeming upset. The gentlemen I was helping even noted the experience.

I went running after work, I noticed my mind was going in all directions- yet running(one of the many physical activities recommended through out this thread) helped release a strain as my mind projected at least 3 or 4 different visions at rapid speed. Although I am still in a restless state- having that steady pace and physical exertion, allowing thoughts and visions to come, then returning to the breath helped release a lot of tension. So, this is not just a practice we do in stillness. Some of the visions stirred an excitement in me, I am hoping to see them in my near future yet I pray not be disappointed if they are in vain.

After taking a bath I tried to meditate- I remember reading from a friend on the importance of focus. I remember a teacher in my dreams explaining powers that one can achieve by intense focus. My friend once wrote, as a form of practice, he would start a fire and toss a stick in to watch it burn to ash without any active thought. This practice took him many attempts but he began to notice an increased attention span overtime and even inspirations as his meditations eventually provided him signs of spiritual growth. So, in my meditation tonight I tried focusing on a light above me, sadly I could not last 5 minutes before being pulled to walk away and give the family dogs a treat.

I would like to agree to Kriya Yoga as a way to develop the Will. Hazarat Inayat Khan has taught Will is the ultimate authority, for it was the Will of the Creator to Manifest. So, Hazarat Inayat Khan teaches one to discipline the mind in various forms... To sleep when you are not sleepy, eat when you are not hungry and vice versa to stay awake when you are sleepy or fast when you are hungry. Likewise, any form of Yoga should be helpful... It is silly to think we can overcome restlessness with the flip of a switch. With this, do what you can and know every contribution will pay off. Keep at the practice but do not resent a failure, do not become trapped in remorse. Keep on with your practices, do the best you can and think, "tomorrow will be even better."

I noticed a turning point in my mood through out the day. I was extremely uncomfortable from my restless state in the morning and became somber in nature- I continually prayed to God for support and understanding. I prayed for forgiveness with my quick to judge thoughts and asked for help. I think after praying for the restless women who entered the store my mood was already changing for the better. Oddly enough, she returned later on with a younger sibling or daughter by the looks of it. They did not come into my store but instead next door to get coffee. While I am certain it was her(same red car and same blue dress) even her face looked different- and as she parked in front of my store she did throw a glance in my direction this time. It was difficult to recognize her, even the car- identical in every way, felt different. It was this that caused me to rethink, maybe she was in a hurry and how foolish of me to feel offended by her actions.

After going inside from a seeming failed meditation I noticed some new dishes found their way to the sink and needed cleaning. Thinking I could surprise Mom I decided to do house chores at a very peculiar time of the night. Quietly and lovingly, there was a gentle magic here that helped ease my tensions since in my restlessness I was having very egoic thoughts that needed humbling.

I am all too happy for every effort provided here by our Spiritual family on recognizing an obstacle and providing unique understanding and solutions to it. I hope bumping this thread encourages anyone reading to please share, add to this golden anchor so it may better us all in our pursuits.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: tides2dust on Jul 17, 2018 07:27 am
Meditation!
I have found a reason for my restlessness comes with quitting things that no longer serve my greater good. From years of indulgence my mind has developed patterns which associates these outdated structures as comfortable. Now that the mind can not fall back on these actions it grows weary, agitated and feels stretched out. I am pleased this is the result and happy to seek a creative outlet. Reading, praying and focusing on the Breath are wonderful tools to add to the list provided in this thread. I read that we must eventually learn to disengage the senses however and go further within.

"If at this moment you could completely calm your body, your thoughts, and your emotions you would instantly become aware of your true Self, the soul, and of your great body of the universe, throbbing with the joy of God. The soul would be 'established in its own state.' Isn't it strange, that the joy of God is there, yet you cannot feel it? The reason you do not know His Bliss is that you are intoxicated with ego feeling(chitta)."
Taken from The Divine Romance by Paramahansa Yogananda
Chapter, How Feelings Mask the Soul


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Jul 17, 2018 09:20 am
Meditation!
I have found a reason for my restlessness comes with quitting things that no longer serve my greater good. From years of indulgence my mind has developed patterns which associates these outdated structures as comfortable. Now that the mind can not fall back on these actions it grows weary, agitated and feels stretched out. I am pleased this is the result and happy to seek a creative outlet. Reading, praying and focusing on the Breath are wonderful tools to add to the list provided in this thread. I read that we must eventually learn to disengage the senses however and go further within.

"If at this moment you could completely calm your body, your thoughts, and your emotions you would instantly become aware of your true Self, the soul, and of your great body of the universe, throbbing with the joy of God. The soul would be 'established in its own state.' Isn't it strange, that the joy of God is there, yet you cannot feel it? The reason you do not know His Bliss is that you are intoxicated with ego feeling(chitta)."
Taken from The Divine Romance by Paramahansa Yogananda
Chapter, How Feelings Mask the Soul

Thanks for adding this quote Eric.


Title: Restlessness is an everyday occurrence
Post by: tides2dust on Aug 13, 2018 04:45 pm
Every day is a battle. Some days we are so content with our progress, we embrace our failure without recognizing it. 26 days have passed since my Birthday, where my goals should have been met. I have not achieved everything I've wished to by this time. I will never give up. Some days, I don't even know what day it is! My efforts have increased, as have the resisting forces that keep me away from my goals(Goals like stillness). The resisting forces are not some demonic entity, it is in reality a great restlessness. Last night I had the opportunity to meditate but my mind said, "You are tired. Here, have a seat- watch TV. See how easily agitated you are? Here, eat some food for comfort. Don't worry about exercise tonight." I know the peace meditation brings so it bewilders me, how these old patterns persist! It is important to keep going, even when the mind is fatigued, don't stop! No... Look at it like this... When you are so restless you would rather do ANYTHING except meditate- Consider that there are forces keeping you away from a Glorious Revelation- A Grand Realization... Recognize that fatigue is because these outdated structures are beginning to Crumble! Don't strengthen their foundation!! This is really a note for myself when restlessness pervades and I can not sit still. I won't stop trying to break free... Persistence is key, with recognition some days are better than others. ~


Title: Re: Restlessness is an everyday occurrence
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 13, 2018 06:18 pm
Every day is a battle. Some days we are so content with our progress, we embrace our failure without recognizing it. 26 days have passed since my Birthday, where my goals should have been met. I have not achieved everything I've wished to by this time. I will never give up. Some days, I don't even know what day it is! My efforts have increased, as have the resisting forces that keep me away from my goals(Goals like stillness). The resisting forces are not some demonic entity, it is in reality a great restlessness. Last night I had the opportunity to meditate but my mind said, "You are tired. Here, have a seat- watch TV. See how easily agitated you are? Here, eat some food for comfort. Don't worry about exercise tonight." I know the peace meditation brings so it bewilders me, how these old patterns persist! It is important to keep going, even when the mind is fatigued, don't stop! No... Look at it like this... When you are so restless you would rather do ANYTHING except meditate- Consider that there are forces keeping you away from a Glorious Revelation- A Grand Realization... Recognize that fatigue is because these outdated structures are beginning to Crumble! Don't strengthen their foundation!! This is really a note for myself when restlessness pervades and I can not sit still. I won't stop trying to break free... Persistence is key, with recognition some days are better than others. ~

Most of it is the presence of latent desire that makes the consciousness ever static with restless percolating desires. The more we experience peace, love and bliss in meditation...the more we resolve to persist. That is why the company we keep and the circumstances we choose are so important. Allow time alone in nature if you are unable to find others in your area who are receptive to meditation. Our minds are often more clear after these temporary breaks from the physical demands of this dimension.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: Steve Hydonus on Aug 14, 2018 06:22 am
I think we are all looking for depth of experience in one way or another. When we actually experience a moment of soul awareness it becomes clear to us that the activities of the restless body and mind continuously deter us from the blissful experience that is sought after. Thru focused awareness we become inspired more and more by the consciousness of those who have transcended mortal consciousness to penetrate the superficial states of awareness of most beings on this planet.

Many of us carry memories of peace and bliss experienced thru meditation in this or other lives. Or we may also have deep experiences of love we have felt for others and simultaneously we remember such poignant experiences of depth of feeling we have experienced through our love and loss of others. These experiences help us dig deep in our meditation to experience once again that depth of experience.


Title: Re: Overcoming Restlessness
Post by: tides2dust on Aug 16, 2018 03:30 am
Meditation has helped slow my thought process down and given me the opportunity to catch, when I'm not meditating, desires and emotions that are brought to the surface. The desire to eat, to reach out to a friend or to catch myself become upset by something or someone. Sometime's I question, where is this coming from? Sometime's not but there is a joy that comes with recognizing the surfacing of a restless thought. A joy in Understanding it. And There is also a joy that comes from letting it go and dissolving it into the liberating essence of no-thing-ness. From Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda briefly mentioned a great Saint Sadasiva who effortlessly stated, "Do not do what you want, and then you may do what you like."
Increasing our ability to focus is a skill, I have tried implementing watching ice cubes melt in a glass. Reducing my multi-tasking to a minimum and creating new pathways for the mind to rest on. There is a great unwinding and rewiring which has gone on now for nearly a decade, it is a life-style. Continual practice of meditation may help us overcome restlessness, as does questioning our impulses on a daily basis.