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 on: Today at 08:07 pm 
Started by Steve Hydonus - Last post by Steve Hydonus
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If you are defending ripping children from parents...you are in a cult
Trumpism is a cult
Jun 24, 2018 4:00pm Central Daylight Time by Mark E Andersen
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Growing up in the ‘80s my mom was always worried about cults. I have no idea why, my guess is she saw something on 60 Minutes, or 20/20 and then was worried I would run off and join a cult. I do recall watching one of the news magazine shows with her as a teenager—it was one in which they described the signs you are in a cult.

Thirty some odd years removed from that memory I could not find that particular episode, or list of how you know you are in a cult. But I did find a more recent version of the list.


1. Opposing critical thinking

2. Isolating members and penalizing them for leaving

3. Emphasizing special doctrines outside scripture

4. Seeking inappropriate loyalty to their leaders

5. Dishonoring the family unit

6. Crossing Biblical boundaries of behavior (versus sexual purity and personal ownership)

7. Separation from the Church

I read that list and I see the modern day Republican Party, specifically, die hard Trump supporters. It is clear that they oppose any kind of critical thinking. Take the recent statement by Tucker Carlson of Fox News:

"If you're looking to understand what's actually happening in this country, always assume the opposite of whatever they're telling you on the big news stations.”

In other words, only listen to what we tell you. You do not need to think about it, just believe us, and only us. There is no need for you to take in information from other sources, there is no need to think about what we tell you—other sources are not real. Even the current White House resident does this daily in his Twitter feed.


The fake news, i.e. don’t listen to them, only to me. Don’t think about the issues, just take my word for it. I have seen this in my own friends who lean to the right. Recently, I posted this to my Facebook feed, “Taking kids away from parents is immoral.” The responses below are a combination of responses from conservative friends. ...

Him: It is Bill Clinton's fault (Screenshot of a tweet is provided as proof).

Me: No, it is not and here are three links from valid news sources, and one legal site proving why it is not.

Him: What about Elian Gonzalez

Me: That has nothing to do with the current situation.

Him: That was Clinton's fault too

Me: No, it was a custody battle between two parents who lived in different countries. The FBI went in armed as they feared that the house was being defended by armed Cuban expatriates. (Several links from multiple sources about this custody battle provided.)

Him: Pretty sure the genocide of native Americans is more shameful ... as well as our current treatment of them.

Me: There are a lot of shameful acts in our history - just because one is more shameful than another does not mean what is going on now is any less awful.
I would also be remiss if I did not point out that this is a classic case of whataboutism - in which an example of a shameful act is given in the original story; and in an effort (unconscious, or conscious) is made to deflect the horrible act the shameful act is being compared to by bringing up another equally as bad act.
Internment of Japanese-Americans = Bad
Treatment/genocide of Native Americans = Bad
Separating children from parents in detention centers = Bad

Him: Look at this section of US code. … It says kids should be taken into custody.

Me: Read that closer, that says unaccompanied minors.

Him: Well some of the kids are pretending to be parents...so they are unaccompanied.

Me: No they are not — provides multiple links

Him: If you support abortion you are being a hypocrite by being outraged over this.

Me: sigh...

Every one of those responses can be traced back to conservative media, every single one. And none of them have any basis in reality. The fact is that Jeff Sessions signed off on this zero tolerance policy. This is on the Trump administration—period. But in the eyes of a Trump cultist, he can do no wrong.

Isolating and penalizing members for leaving. We see this on a small scale every day, but there are larger examples as well. The Bush family has spoken out against this policy—not toeing the new Trump line. So, they were punished when Donald Trump Jr. canceled an appearance at a fundraiser for George P. Bush. Also, look how former Trump associates have been treated. Manafort, once the leader of the Trump campaign is now someone who once worked for Trump, and who Trump barely knew.

Emphasizing special doctrines outside scripture, crossing Biblical boundaries of behavior (versus sexual purity and personal ownership), separation from the Church—I am combing these three as they all deal with religion. We can all see these. Taking children away from their parents is clearly not biblical—yet members of the Trump administration have repeatedly quoted scripture to defend this heinous policy. Right-leaning Christians claim the moral high ground, that marriage is between one man and one woman, that divorce should never happen, and adultery is a sin—these so-called Christians have strayed so far from the church that Jeff Sessions’ own denomination, the United Methodist Church, have charged him with violating church law:

Pursuant to Paragraph 2702.3 of the 2016 United Methodist Book of Discipline, we hereby charge Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, Attorney General of the United States, a professing member and/or active participant of Ashland Place United Methodist Church (Mobile, Alabama) and Clarendon United Methodist Church (Alexandria, Virginia), with the chargeable offenses of:

Child Abuse (examples: advocacy for and implementation of documented practices that indefinitely separate thousands of young children from their parents; holding thousands of children in mass incarceration facilities with little to no structured educational or socio-­‐emotional support)
Immorality (examples: the use of violence against children to deter immigration; advocating and supporting the separation of children from their families; refusal of refugee/asylee status to those fleeing gang or sexual violence; oppression of those seeking asylum or attempting to enter the United States with refugee status; directing employees and staff members to kidnap children from their parents)
Racial discrimination (examples: stopping investigations of police departments charged with racial discrimination; attempting to criminalize Black Lives Matter and other racial justice activist groups; targeting incarceration for those engaged in undocumented border crossings as well as those who present with requests for asylum, with a particular focus on those perceived as Muslim or LatinX)
Dissemination of doctrines contrary to the standards of doctrine of the United Methodist Church (examples: the misuse of Romans 13 to indicate the necessity of obedience to secular law, which is in stark contrast to Disciplinary commitments to supporting freedom of conscience and resistance to unjust laws
Seeking inappropriate loyalty to leaders:

"He speaks and his people sit up in attention. I want my people to do the same."

And finally, dishonoring the family unit. What could possibly be more dishonorable than separating children from their parents?

The Republican Party we knew no longer exists. This is the cult of Trump—and all cults eventually end badly

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 on: Today at 06:43 pm 
Started by Steve Hydonus - Last post by Steve Hydonus
Amma says in todays world the human mind is in chaos and needs grace...imagine flowers falling into the oceans and on the maintains on the forests and the birds and animals. As these flowers fall down on us let us experience an unimaginable peace. Are body has grown but our minds have not....We must experience life like a child. We must visualize white couds blowing in the sky while chanting om shanti...shanti...shanti...Even a small cell in the ear canal can cause an inbalance in the rest of the body. See a golden light like a sparkler surrounds your body. It is helpful for us to visualize.

Now starting from the point between your eyes visualize a triangle in your forehead and there is a brite light at the pole of that triangle that is luminiscent.

Amma will now lead us...."may all beings be happy."
Meditation is like gold and selfless action always helps. Say a person is on the third floor and hears about a fire on the ground floor and says; "Why should i be concerned?about the fire on the bottom floor? " Yet soon the fire that was on the ground floor will spread to the third floor.

Om lokah samastah sukinu bhavantu.(may all beings be ☺ happy.)

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 on: Today at 06:31 pm 
Started by Steve Hydonus - Last post by sk17

"You never know how strong you are, until being strong is your only choice" ~ Bob Marley



lol. how true.

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 on: Today at 05:48 pm 
Started by Steve Hydonus - Last post by Steve Hydonus

"You never know how strong you are, until being strong is your only choice" ~ Bob Marley


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 on: Today at 10:07 am 
Started by Steve Hydonus - Last post by sk17
hi SK! Thank you for taking the time. Well I found the reason for the confusion, Mom says she went into labor in the AM and I came out in PM  Grin.

My current career is in health food, I do like natural remedies and things of that nature.
I was told from a young age I could be a good writer and at that stage in my life I thought I had visions of a past life but in a future tense(that seems pretty sci-fi to me lol). In truth I don't know how any writer like J.R.R. Tolkein is able to write for so long in such details line for line with all his characters their multiple yet coherent adventures. I'm not sure I'd be to good at this, my grammar and structure follow their own rules lol. Maybe I can pick up more scifi-books to learn but I seem to be drawn more towards philosophical and religious studies when it comes to reading- like Sufism and other interest. =) Well I guess your reading isn't too far off huh? Tongue


I appreciate the continued insights. Steve has helped me consider the planets from a spiritual perspective since I've joined and it's interesting to see the both of you share an interest in astrology but with your understandings coming from different sides of the world.

=)

Peace & Blessings

Sorry red, I made a spelling mistake above regarding Saturn. I forget to write 'nullified' as it recieves an aspect from mercury.

Thanks lol. It seems I have to improve a lot.

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 on: Today at 09:32 am 
Started by Red - Last post by Red
Thank you for your sincere response my friend.
I was thinking on this a lot today and decided to share it... I hope you find it well.

This morning I was a bit perturbed from reading the headlines in today's news. The political climate, the corporate authority behind our media outlets and the outright battle between elites and their pawns has stirred an anxiousness in me that brought about much pain and sadness. I am a bit derailed from it all. I was sad to see an official calling for chaos and harassment, sad to see innocent minds manipulated by propaganda for someone else's agenda and I was sad to read that we may cast out our own brothers and sisters in hatred drawn from what is the illusion of having a loftier morality than another. In reality it is misdirection, it is fear and it is anger. How often must our hearts be played for someone else's gain where a king will pit its people against one another? We think in the end we're making a difference for the better and those asking us to act with malice say God is on your side- is it not apparent this discord is only creating even more suffering? It is a tragedy.

I found myself praying for answers... I wish to be centered more in Gods Love... I found that if we focus on divine qualities such as compassion and forgiveness if we believe Love is for all people then we may alleviate suffering, however small or great. Speculating my role in an overpowering political and corporate society and the role of the many innocent hearts who tirelessly play someone else's game- I was reminded of a quote from Mother Teresa

"Not all of us can do great things. But we can do small things with great love."

In my opinion, it isn't necessary to take to battle over politics to see change. If we can invest that same energy in Loving the people in our every day lives, the rippling effect may be so great- we may finally find peace.

After praying for more Love, I was reminded through out the day to pray for world peace- to enjoy peoples unique expression... I was reminded of Service- Many great teachers, their entire life had become a service to Love... And all we need to do is practice it with each other and not get swept by the manufacturing magic that hopes to take this simple act away from us. I believe my prayers have been shown a way... And the guidance today came from reflecting on Mother Teresa's very heart felt words...

Please enjoy,
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What can you do to promote world peace? Go home and love your family.

I alone cannot change the world, but I can cast a stone across the waters to create many ripples.

I want you to be concerned about your next-door neighbor. Do you know your next-door neighbor?

I am not sure exactly what heaven will be like, but I know that when we die and it comes time for God to judge us, he will not ask, ‘How many good things have you done in your life?’ rather he will ask, ‘How much love did you put into what you did?

God doesn’t require us to succeed, he only requires that you try.

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.

It’s not how much we give but how much love we put into giving.

Let us always meet each other with smile, for the smile is the beginning of love.

If you are humble nothing will touch you, neither praise nor disgrace, because you know what you are.

Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.

Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies.

Spread love everywhere you go. Let no one ever come to you without leaving happier.

We ourselves feel that what we are doing is just a drop in the ocean. But the ocean would be less because of that missing drop.

Intense love does not measure, it just gives.

Kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are truly endless.

The hunger for love is much more difficult to remove than the hunger for bread.

If you can’t feed a hundred people, then feed just one.

I have found the paradox, that if you love until it hurts, there can be no more hurt, only more love.

We shall never know all the good that a simple smile can do.


-Mother Teresa




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 on: Today at 09:25 am 
Started by Steve Hydonus - Last post by Red
Namaste Jitendra.
Indeed, it is a blessing.
Please enjoy my latest inspiration thanks be to God! Meditation is amazing.... Peace friend- in Gratitude Smiley



by the bayou,
where the calm waters blessed my soul
gods gaze hovered in front of me, in the form of a curious bee
here i watched the birds play and sing
love washed over me as tears rushed down my spine
astral light, radiant splendor and a glimpse of the rising sun sent chills, divine
each breath is divine.
we are calm now.
we are assured...
loving, gracefully so
face the day with courage and wisdom
i learned this by the bayou,
where the calm waters blessed my soul

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 on: Today at 06:51 am 
Started by Steve Hydonus - Last post by Red
hi SK! Thank you for taking the time. Well I found the reason for the confusion, Mom says she went into labor in the AM and I came out in PM  Grin.

My current career is in health food, I do like natural remedies and things of that nature.
I was told from a young age I could be a good writer and at that stage in my life I thought I had visions of a past life but in a future tense(that seems pretty sci-fi to me lol). In truth I don't know how any writer like J.R.R. Tolkein is able to write for so long in such details line for line with all his characters their multiple yet coherent adventures. I'm not sure I'd be to good at this, my grammar and structure follow their own rules lol. Maybe I can pick up more scifi-books to learn but I seem to be drawn more towards philosophical and religious studies when it comes to reading- like Sufism and other interest. =) Well I guess your reading isn't too far off huh? Tongue


I appreciate the continued insights. Steve has helped me consider the planets from a spiritual perspective since I've joined and it's interesting to see the both of you share an interest in astrology but with your understandings coming from different sides of the world.

=)

Peace & Blessings

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 on: Today at 06:22 am 
Started by Red - Last post by Red
Perhaps these challenges are quite rewarding in the end, if we take responsibility for ourselves and see the illusions or weaknesses for what they are. I think this is a part of self mastery, From my limited understanding
More importantly
I am sorry you were scammed, it is sad anyone would want to take advantage of anyone- yet there are many injustices if we go looking for them...
I am grateful you have a friend that can help pull you out from the suffering. I have friends who have helped me as well, you included. May we love and care for one another to the best of our ability my Soul Brother Smiley

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 on: Today at 03:58 am 
Started by Steve Hydonus - Last post by Steve Hydonus
Toured the Capital of Cloneland today in the morrowbone of the United Clones.

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