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« Reply #15 on: Sep 15, 2010 10:35 pm »

Confused ? so was Confucious cousin !  Cool

hey Jitendra ! Without a desire for life, what is there ? We are on Earth, put here for a reason.

It is thru experiences one learns, without life's experiences how are the lessons learned ?
Might as well just stay floating as soul, yearning so much not to be here,  just stay with God in the first place  .... why bother coming down to Earth ?

Might as well enjoy, in moderation, some of the pleasures here on Earth.  Cool
Think there needs to be some balance, spiritual life and other.


i believe that those on the path may initially have these inclinations. It is almost a death wish. However i think that it is natural since the soul has a dim recollection of the work already done to 'kill' the ego. It is the desire for life that often causes so many problems since we want to experience our desires in the outer world. There must be the 'death' of this desire replaced with the desire for emancipation and liberation.

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« Reply #16 on: Sep 16, 2010 11:35 pm »

Confused ? so was Confucious cousin !  Cool

hey Jitendra ! Without a desire for life, what is there ? We are on Earth, put here for a reason.

It is thru experiences one learns, without life's experiences how are the lessons learned ?
Might as well just stay floating as soul, yearning so much not to be here,  just stay with God in the first place  .... why bother coming down to Earth ?

Might as well enjoy, in moderation, some of the pleasures here on Earth.  Cool
Think there needs to be some balance, spiritual life and other.


i believe that those on the path may initially have these inclinations. It is almost a death wish. However i think that it is natural since the soul has a dim recollection of the work already done to 'kill' the ego. It is the desire for life that often causes so many problems since we want to experience our desires in the outer world. There must be the 'death' of this desire replaced with the desire for emancipation and liberation.


The point is that everyone is looking for happiness. Are they not? But where does one find true happiness? Happiness is found going inward and that happiness manifests outwardly. Permanent happiness cannot be found in this life. It is temporal and not lasting. Therefore our desire should be directed inwardly and not outwardly towards the senses and this life. So when we die to the world and become alive to the soul we are bringing a portable happiness with us whether in the world or not in the world.

Buddhists believe karma keeps one trapped in an endless cycle of death and rebirth (samsara), and the only way out is through enlightenment. To become enlightened, one has to eliminate desire. Buddha taught that desire is the root of suffering; that it causes attachment, which leads to suffering, and in turn causes other beings to suffer. This produces negative karma. If one eliminates desire and stops causing suffering, one can become enlightened, as he had.

So you ask "without the desire for life what is there?" There is enlightenment and when one seeks this liberation and to end suffering he/she eventually desires nothing. Having no desires he/she is content.

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« Reply #17 on: Sep 17, 2010 02:32 pm »

Jitendra wrote :
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There is enlightenment and when one seeks this liberation and to end suffering he/she eventually desires nothing. Having no desires he/she is content.

i am not sure if desire is the correct word to use here...but as enlightenment happens...the 'desire' for god increases......

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« Reply #18 on: Sep 17, 2010 07:31 pm »

We are now on lesson #3

This is part of the poem at the beginning:

On the alter of my inner vihara (Vihara (विहार) is the Sanskrit and Pali term for (Buddhist) monastery) I Place flowers of desirelessness. Their chaste beauty is Thine, O Spirit!
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