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« Reply #15 on: Sep 26, 2010 05:37 am »

Eric disagrees (about eventually letting go of sex)
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you're mistaken steve
when i say i disagree it is because
i disagree that sex is the, "last thing to go on a spiritual path"
it doesn't matter last or first
there is no order
it's a part of life, my argument is- god is ALL. that we're walking the spiritual path now
there's no wrong way
"for the one who is on the right track finds every road leading to the same goal sooner or later" -Hazrat Inayat Khan

http://www.sufimovement.org/mes_mission.htm

i'm not abstaining from sex nor am i obsessing saying i can never let it go

things just are...

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Let us quote in context and not leave out important words: You see sex is one of the last things to go on the spiritual path. When there is nothing but God there is really no necessity for anything else... "Things just are" until they are something else...
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 26, 2010 07:43 pm »


When our consciousness still resides in lower dimensions what are the choices available to these souls? ......

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Love Rules The Court
by Sir Walter Scott

Love rules the court,
The camp, the grove,
And men below, and the saints above,
For love is heaven
and heaven is love.

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Though we lose sight of her, Divine Infinite Beloved, never loses sight of us...
Though we love her not, Divine Infinite Beloved, remains humbly as an ember of love in our hearts...
Though we see her not, Divine Infinite Beloved, manifests in all forms, places, persons, nature and smiles shyly upon us... 
Consider how touched we are, when a human with great power, yet acts in quiet humble, loving, compassion,... we are touched...
And of this and so much more, the greatest of Divine waves, of Love, of our Divine Infinite Beloved.


namaste2all....beautiful post _/\_
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soul...is a direct spark or 'piece' of god....say, incased in a body or hard shell.

while in body...soul has much learning to do, Learning.

it will eventually come to Realize this when the Time is Right.

the bhagavad gita....is the 'story' of this.  soul will Realize the 'battle' it must 'wage' against the desires of body'.

not necesarily conquer them....but CONTROL them.  let soul be the king....and rule...or be the one in charge of body.  not let the body rule over the soul.  THAT is what causes sin to happen...or let soul be lead away from god.

when the soul finally takes over as ruler of body....THAT is what soul is trying to accomplish.

king soul will then be in control of '''''''sins''''''...not the other way around.

i was speaking to someone...and they told me drinking is a sin. i said to them...no it is not...unless you let it be.   they said...what ?

i said...there is nothing wrong in having a drink. i said...i have a beer now and then....but i do not let it interfere with my meditation/yoga time  Wink  or let a beer stop me from god !!   or drink so much that i cannot meditate or perform yoga !  i do it in balance......i do not let it control me.....i control it  Cheesy 

as i meditated more and more...and performed kriya yoga...i have become , um, almost pert near celibate...i have no more desire for tamasic sex ( aka sex in sleeper state).  i have lost appetite for meat...altho seafood, i do get cravings for.  i never cared much for material things needed out of need....that has even waned more !  Cheesy


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When our consciousness still resides in lower dimensions what are the choices available to these souls? ......

when those souls have had enuff of residing in the lower chakras or dimensions....then it will take the intitiative to cure themselves.

and i am very happy so say...that i see a very sizeable increase in the number of souls desiring to awaken these days ! <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3  soul is ready to rule over body  Cheesy

these souls will start inquiring about meditation.....or start to seek a way out of ''suffering". 

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« Reply #17 on: Sep 27, 2010 08:36 am »

exactly

what else is there?




Eating, self preservation, drinking, sleeping bathroom necessities... These are all somewhat biological in nature as is procreation which in the natural world is done with sex...... The perpetuation of the species a very strong urge in the biological sense.... and one of the last to go.
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« Reply #18 on: Oct 13, 2010 08:58 pm »

i like that
and, you're right... they are glimpses, but somehow... it's enough
and definitely not the last

i'm curious when, 'the path towards cosmic consciousness' becomes, 'the path is cosmic consciousness


1) the state of the ordinary man, in which he is aware only of the world outside himself.

2) the state of in which the devotee becomes aware of the presence of God within, by meditation and communion with the soul;

3) the state of being able to behold God at will either in Nature or within the self;

4) the final state of unbroken oneness with God's consciousness everywhere--nirbikalpa samadhi

outlined in Lesson 114 SRF Lessons
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 13, 2010 09:21 pm »


and going a bit off the edge in your imagination if you really believe sex leads you to God !   Huh?   rationalization of sexual desires !! best get back to studying those SRF lessons

Vibration in relation to people:

In relation to people, how do you know when you get good vibrations or  bad vibrations from them? First of all there is a "feeling". Some people do not realize the difference between real vibrational differences and mental judgment. You must keep a very kind feeling within your heart at all times-- a feeling that is absolutely unprejudiced. That feeling can judge better than all the intelligence in the world.

The best way to know what kind of vibrations people radiate is to watch the microphone of your feelings, right in your heart. It is the most sensitive instrument of all. For accurate results, however, you must be free from any attraction to the opposite sex, and from any feelings of attraction or repulsion. A neutral state of consciousness is necessary. When you can use the microphone of pure feeling, which does not judge from prejudice and emotion, then you have developed spiritual sensitivity. The spiritually sensitive man loves everyone~ Paramahansa Yogananda SRF Lesson 117
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 13, 2010 09:33 pm »

hey Steve !

what is the connection between my comment and your post ?

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« Reply #21 on: Oct 13, 2010 09:46 pm »


and going a bit off the edge in your imagination if you really believe sex leads you to God !   Huh?   rationalization of sexual desires !! best get back to studying those SRF lessons

Three things:

1) Sexual desires act as a deterrent to reading others correctly.

2) Answers to most questions can be found in the SRF Lessons.

3) i am agreeing with you: Although sex and physical expression are a part of this life on the earth plain in many ways they pose problems to the path to God.


hey Steve !

what is the connection between my comment and your post ?


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and going a bit off the edge in your imagination if you really believe sex leads you to God !   Huh?   rationalization of sexual desires !! best get back to studying those SRF lessons

Three things:

1) Sexual desires act as a deterrent to reading others correctly.   who is not reading who correctly ?

2) Answers to most questions can be found in the SRF Lessons.   

3) i am agreeing with you: Although sex and physical expression are a part of this life on the earth plain in many ways they pose problems to the path to God.
      you are agreeing with me, that Nova needs to get back to reading the SRF lessons ? or what are you agreeing to ?

do not tell me you agree that " sex leads to God "
hey Steve !

what is the connection between my comment and your post ?


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« Reply #23 on: Oct 13, 2010 10:01 pm »


and going a bit off the edge in your imagination if you really believe sex leads you to God !   Huh?   rationalization of sexual desires !! best get back to studying those SRF lessons

Three things:

1) Sexual desires act as a deterrent to reading others correctly.   who is not reading who correctly ?

2) Answers to most questions can be found in the SRF Lessons.   

3) i am agreeing with you: Although sex and physical expression are a part of this life on the earth plain in many ways they pose problems to the path to God.
      you are agreeing with me, that Nova needs to get back to reading the SRF lessons ? or what are you agreeing to ?

do not tell me you agree that " sex leads to God "
hey Steve !

what is the connection between my comment and your post ?



I am not saying anyone is reading someone incorrectly. i am saying that sexual desire acts as a deterrent to reading others correctly.
i think that the SRF lessons are good for anyone to read including myself. Blue Nova reads the SRF lessons. There are many other worthwhile readings in other spiritual paths as well. This is only one.

Its nice to hear from you again Secret Squirrel

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« Reply #24 on: Oct 15, 2010 10:28 pm »

I don't quite get it. Here we were in the depths of the pond coming up with tasty morsels. Then Blue Nova waddles away after rattling on and starting such an interesting subject.  Tongue

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« Reply #25 on: Oct 15, 2010 11:16 pm »

hey Goosey Gander !  Cool

The waves were just starting to calm down here at Golden Pond and you waddle in, causing commotion !  Shocked

I was just about to drift off deep into meditation and I hear all this QUACKING !!
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« Reply #26 on: Oct 15, 2010 11:21 pm »

hey Goosey Gander !  Cool

The waves were just starting to calm down here at Golden Pond and you waddle in, causing commotion !  Shocked

I was just about to drift off deep into meditation and I hear all this QUACKING !!

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« Reply #27 on: Oct 30, 2010 11:27 pm »

These bodies we have still remind us of our illusions as human beings. We try to find a balance and occasionally find someone along the way that we vibrate with in a similar fashion. In this expression we can find a ray of God's love. Yet many times we find ourselves alone seeking our inner satisfactions that take us beyond the limitations of physical love. Some of us seem to be left alone and struggling to find this union without the companionship of some one else. Perhaps that is why we find some ray of fulfillment in our sharing here and seek to share what we have learned.

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« Reply #28 on: Nov 02, 2010 09:09 pm »

hi jitendra its a very real experience thank you
your post reminded me of something, albeit off topic
last night my roommates threw a party- there were multiple circles of people and i found myself kind of surfing each. what made the party interesting is, no matter where i went, someone would say something that would really grab my attention. the eyes and words revealed the works of god. one person said to me: "its like i know everyone but i dont know them"
it was an interesting observation. even though he might not have known everyone, the vibe was very welcoming and i think this is the essence that struck familiarity within him. there were other things but i take it as direct communication and active guidance. i can't recall it all but am happy to see it is such a personal experience
also receiving love from, 'friendly spirits' was very much what this little one needed

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We try to find a balance and occasionally find someone along the way that we vibrate with in a similar fashion. In this expression we can find a ray of God's love.
this is something i'm experiencing, gods love is like eternal discovery- the infinite ways in which we may experience, different variants and different values and yet through each fashion it is the core that shines through and gods love is as you have stated recognized as a vibration


i sometimes think we are similar steve
thanks for posting

Yes i wonder if you can imagine though as i did at your age; i want to have learned something or become something. Something that is really me by the time i get to be older. Something wiser and more loving.....
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« Reply #29 on: Nov 02, 2010 11:57 pm »

are you saying you've come to see this in you all along? i used to think i wanted to become something more but am finding i am that already. i still believe there is something more but life reveals to me what i need. lately i've stopped trying to be something and instead just am, whatever that may be.   Huh?

i feel like we are shadows walking thru a film. We see very little of what we are. We are like actors that do not know are parts. That something more; i have seen in an avatar like Amma. i immediately recognized that she is much, much further along then i. Until we come face to face with the presence of God it is hard for us to recognize just how much we delude ourselves. What i see myself as, or what i just am is not what i thought i 'just was' 35 years ago. Even though, even then i was 'just being' in my own way. After many years of confronting reality in the form of others and my own illusions i found that i have much further to go on this path of just 'being'. 'What ever that may be' is the accumulation of our spiritual effort up to this point and most importantly; the grace we receive on our spiritual journey. But the possibilities are limitless. This is a humbling experience to only start realizing.

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