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« on: Jan 22, 2011 12:43 am »

A male friend recently said to me that he thought that men are inherently more creative than women.
He pointed to many of the well known classical artists and composers that are male, such as Leonardo and Beethoven.  
What do you think?  Do you think that gender plays a role in art and musical talent?  Do you agree with my friend?  
If anything, I agree more with Virginia's whimsical quote.


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Acrylic on Panel, 8" X 10"  Rimi Yang (female painter)
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 22, 2011 08:30 am »

The painting is an interesting use of predominantly one color.

In the deepest sense we are souls despite what outward characteristics we project.... some being stronger others weaker. In some gender plays a part in others it does not. When we go beyond gender in deeper states of meditation these differences have no meaning. While we are in identification of gender we relate to the dualities associated with different opinions regarding superficial views of body identification.

Thank God we are moving out of the dark ages and women are being much more recognized. Also i am impressed when i see women who break out of cultural roles that are easy to play into and can relate to men as souls like themselves rather then living outdated roles that do not serve a productive purpose.

Thanks for bringing up the topic. It extends in many directions beyond your question.

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A male friend recently said to me that he thought that men are inherently more creative than women.
Do you think that gender plays a role in art and musical talent?  Do you agree with my friend? 
If anything, I agree more with Virginia's whimsical quote.


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« Reply #2 on: Jan 22, 2011 05:43 pm »

"While we are in identification of gender we relate to the dualities associated
with different opinions regarding superficial views of body identification."

Thanks, Steve.  Maybe my friend was in that sort of identification when he
asserted that men are inherently more creative than women.  Perhaps by
experiencing deeper states of meditation he will expand his consciousness
beyond asserting such boundaries for an entire gender... or maybe he is
in such deep meditations that he has missed the fact that the playing field
has never been even!  Throughout history most women have had relatively
few opportunities to express their creativity beyond a very limited sphere
of acceptable outlets, such as the creative pursuit of bearing children.


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« Reply #3 on: Jan 23, 2011 06:35 pm »

"While we are in identification of gender we relate to the dualities associated
with different opinions regarding superficial views of body identification."

Thanks, Steve.  Maybe my friend was in that sort of identification when he
asserted that men are inherently more creative than women.  Perhaps by
experiencing deeper states of meditation he will expand his consciousness
beyond asserting such boundaries for an entire gender... or maybe he is
in such deep meditations that he has missed the fact that the playing field
has never been even!  Throughout history most women have had relatively
few opportunities to express their creativity beyond a very limited sphere
of acceptable outlets, such as the creative pursuit of bearing children.


Dear one i can relate to your feelings. Most of my life  i invariably met with women and girls who felt man must be the aggressor and support them in all situations. Also the sociological stigma placed on men throughout the centuries to fight wars. One must look at the whole picture as you say and rise above the gender boundaries regardless of inherent differences in form. When we enter higher states these differences subside.

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"Most of my life  i invariably met with women and girls who felt man must be the aggressor and support them in all situations."

Where have you been living, and in what century?

Perhaps my friend who said that men are more creative than women wasn't talking about making art,
writing songs or composing music...maybe he meant something more on the order of what you are
now saying...that men are more creative when called upon (sometimes by the less brawny women)
to get of sticky situations!  I know that I personally had a dear male friend help me recently to get
out of a very difficult situation that called for more brawn than I had!  And I will be forever thankful
and never forget his kind assistance in my time of desperate need!



'St George Fighting the Dragon or Perseus Delivering Andromeda', 1847. Artist: Eugène Delacroix [male artist]
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 24, 2011 09:26 am »

That was nice of you but really it has nothing to do with you. It is just something i had noticed thru my courting years. Which is why i never got involved in it. It makes very strong stereotypes out of men and women. i always wanted to go beyond those stereotypes. Let me give an example: Being in high school and walking down the hall finding a teen girl waiting (in the corner of the hall)for you to come over and talk to her. Very typical.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 24, 2011 09:35 am »

That was nice of you but really it has nothing to do with you. It is just something i had noticed thru my courting years. Which is why i never got involved in it. It makes very strong stereotypes out of men and women. i always wanted to go beyond those stereotypes. Let me give an example: Being in high school and walking down the hall finding a teen girl waiting (in the corner of the hall)for you to come over and talk to her. Very typical.

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don't keep us in suspense

did you go talk to her ?
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 24, 2011 09:41 am »

That was nice of you but really it has nothing to do with you. It is just something i had noticed thru my courting years. Which is why i never got involved in it. It makes very strong stereotypes out of men and women. i always wanted to go beyond those stereotypes. Let me give an example: Being in high school and walking down the hall finding a teen girl waiting (in the corner of the hall)for you to come over and talk to her. Very typical.

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don't keep us in suspense

did you go talk to her ?

No Didn't feel the stereotype was right. Unusual kid?
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 24, 2011 09:47 am »

maybe yes, maybe no

maybe not the right girl

maybe not the right timing

maybe just not interested

all good reasons  Cool
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 24, 2011 09:56 am »

hey Serena !  Cool

in those days, of Leonardo and Beethoven ~ wasn't it just more acceptable for males to be artists or composers ?

Anon. Y. Mous ... was a mouse !  Grin Cool 


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« Reply #10 on: Jan 24, 2011 10:45 am »

maybe yes, maybe no

maybe not the right girl

maybe not the right timing

maybe just not interested

all good reasons  Cool

Definitely interested! It is weird how instances like this shape a personality and it's direction in life. There is really no going back. The past and the timing of things (important) and how we decide to react or not react to them shapes our destiny.

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« Reply #11 on: Jan 24, 2011 10:53 am »

"in those days, of Leonardo and Beethoven ~ wasn't it just more acceptable for males to be artists or composers ?"

Flying Squirrel,

Actually, I don't remember what examples he gave exactly...the point is that my friend said that men are more creative than women...Leonardo, Beethoven, The Beatles...it doesn't matter.  Even today women are less represented in the arts than men. Historically, and even to the present day the playing field has not been even.  I think that this is a fact that my friend did not take into consideration.  

When he said that men were more creative than women and I said "What!?!" he gave many examples of famous male artists and composers from centuries ago to the present.  Its kind of funny, though, he threw in a couple of female singers, saying, "...with the exception of Madonna and..." all the good singers have been men.  This seems to indicate that at the time he was using primarily fame and money earning power as a measure of creativity.

I really love music and art but I don't think that having financial success as an artist indicates artistic excellence.  I really don't think that men are superior to women in the creativity department, or that artistic ability or creativity is gender biased.

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« Reply #12 on: Jan 24, 2011 08:36 pm »

yep, agree with you there Serena  Cool

financial success doesn't indicate artistic excellence - this is where term " starving artists " comes in

many times sucess comes after death

can't say on the singers who is more creative

art is so varied, different tastes for different people


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« Reply #13 on: Jan 25, 2011 02:36 am »

Yes, flying squirrel- my favorite painters and singer-songwriters are well liked

and keep painting, or writing and singing, but haven't found recognition by the masses.

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