~*~* suffering *~*~

[flying squirrel]

If everything was pleasant here who would make the effort to go home?

By the way 'home' is not a place but a state of being.

squirrel is confused

if 'home' is not a place
then why does one need to make an effort to  'go home ? '

if ' home ' is a state of being
cannot we just sit and mediate and 'om om om' and be there ?

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

If everything was pleasant here who would make the effort to go home?

By the way 'home' is not a place but a state of being.

squirrel is confused

if 'home' is not a place
then why does one need to make an effort to  'go home ? '

if ' home ' is a state of being
cannot we just sit and mediate and 'om om om' and be there ?

Can u? or rather do u with no effort? It takes a herculean effort to clear the debris of karma and wrong attitudes out of our lives so we r free to sit and b there.

[flying squirrel]

If everything was pleasant here who would make the effort to go home?

By the way 'home' is not a place but a state of being.

squirrel is confused

if 'home' is not a place
then why does one need to make an effort to  'go home ? '

if ' home ' is a state of being
cannot we just sit and mediate and 'om om om' and be there ?

Can u? or rather do u with no effort? It takes a herculean effort to clear the debris of karma and wrong attitudes out of our lives so we r free to sit and b there.

I am not talking karma and attitudes
not everyone has a life full of such debris !
karma is just another excuse used when things are not going as one might like
blame it on karma !

maybe confusion starts with the definition of what is meant by " going home " ?

more than just stating it is a state of being ? being what ?

[flying squirrel]

interesting article about Buddha and dukkha

thanx for taking time to post it ! 

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

If everything was pleasant here who would make the effort to go home?

By the way 'home' is not a place but a state of being.

squirrel is confused

if 'home' is not a place
then why does one need to make an effort to  'go home ? '

if ' home ' is a state of being
cannot we just sit and mediate and 'om om om' and be there ?

Can u? or rather do u with no effort? It takes a herculean effort to clear the debris of karma and wrong attitudes out of our lives so we r free to sit and b there.

I am not talking karma and attitudes
not everyone has a life full of such debris !
karma is just another excuse used when things are not going as one might like
blame it on karma !

maybe confusion starts with the definition of what is meant by " going home " ?

more than just stating it is a state of being ? being what ?

Maybe; maybe not. i'd rather listen to what the Masters had to say. Home; Bliss and ever new joy and enlightenment.

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

interesting article about Buddha and dukkha

thanx for taking time to post it ! 

Certainly. i have often wondered; what is the spiritual path u have chosen?

J

[flying squirrel]

I have not chosen one path

life is a journey complete with detours ! 

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

I am not talking karma and attitudes
not everyone has a life full of such debris !
karma is just another excuse used when things are not going as one might like
blame it on karma !

Divine Friend as much as i believe in the existence of karma and see its signature over and over again in astrology and life i must agree with u on one important point. There is much truth in the statement that karma or past lives are an excuse for current malfunctioned behavior patterns. We have created what we r and we can also create something different. Being a drama queen ( i like your usage of this description it fits many of us.) or king is associated with pulling other people into your/our dysfunctional behavior patterns. If we recognize it we need to stop it happening.

Suffering for most of us is self created. We let things get out of control. We let our emotions get out of control. We let psychological vampires drain our psychic energies. We become psychological antiques. We fail to recognize that there r people and situations in our life that no longer serve a constructive purpose. These people r not contributing to our true happiness but rather to our suffering consciousness. So we shut down emotionally and think that we r on some path to God; When in reality we r trapped in the past. Trapped in our own self made prisons and suffering. We r not living to please God but rather a life of self absorption. An autistic existence that looses its relation to the outside world. There is an inability to function in this world with positive energies. We have lost the joy of living. Yet we can give our suffering to Divine Mother and relinquish our negative attitudes.

It is just as easy to get close to God when one is joyful and happy. i could not agree with u more. Many times i have been told (By others i respect in their views.)that God is not drawn to those who constantly bemoan situations and live in a prison of the past. The more happy we r the more happy we become. Because God is drawn to our happiness and love. If we r in a state of self pity and self absorption how can we expect to attract joy and love into our lives? We loose the capacity to receive love from others. We become so immersed in our little selves that we r unable to receive God's blessings and joy from others.

There can be even deeper difficulties; Being alone in our suffering can cause subconscious reactions that do not coincide with reality. We want so much to b spiritual that we imagine things that r not true. We hear and see things that r subconscious in nature but not true spiritual experiences. We think we have some 'mission to accomplish'. During these times of being alone it is very important to realize that we need others to help us see clearly so we don't see life out of the darkness and despair of our inner sanctum. We can let subconscious messages and voices take us over and the results can b truly dangerous in scope. i am saying this out of years of being around people who have had spiritual and psychic experiences. There is a fine line between mental illness and spirituality and i have seen those who have a spiritual nature go over the deep end. Please do not take this personally but i still think that those who have spiritual experiences should stay in touch with others who r at a relative stage of development as themselves or higher. If they/we become too engaged with sleepers we loose r perspective because we do not have enough input from those who share the same interests as ourselves.

Jitendra

just tossing a few ideas into the air ! 

some people choose to suffer
for one reason or another 

perhaps it was something they did in a past life
now Karma is here, biting them back, for past actions ?

there is also a line of thought
that we write our own map of our life
before we get here
if so, then the current suffering is a choice made long ago
in order to learn a certain lesson

marriage is a choice
not all live happily ever after
people change, times change, thoughts change
life happens, deal with it

some lines of spiritual thinking believe one must suffer to be close to God
squirrel and a few others, don't believe this is so 
it is just as easy to be close to God when one is joyful and happy
God wants us to be happy, choose happiness
if one is constantly focusing on suffering,and " oh woe is me "  that is what you draw to you !

then, there are some who choose to be a drama queen

not saying any of these apply, not saying they don't apply 
just tossing ideas in the air ! 

better to toss ideas in the air
than to toss your cookies !! 

[gypsy soul]

you can lead a horse to water, yet cannot make the horse drink

how can you offer a donkey carrot salad with relish and not expect him to want a taste ? 


your sweet soul sister ♥