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« on: Jul 21, 2011 07:27 am »

Babaji had a twisted sense of humor. Incidents of this happened when he told a devotee to go ahead and jump off a cliff if he wanted to. When he branded one of his chelas (To help him rid himself of karma then he healed him.)and when he told Sri Yukteswar that his restless thoughts kept him from staying around him. Sardonic is often defined with words that are even harder to understand than sardonic itself, it basically just means someone who has a twisted sense of humor, that appears to enjoy misfortune but is really just commenting on it.
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 21, 2011 03:55 pm »

Babaji had a twisted sense of humor. Incidents of this happened when he told a devotee to go ahead and jump off a cliff if he wanted to. When he branded one of his chelas (To help him rid himself of karma then he healed him.)and when he told Sri Yukteswar that his restless thoughts kept him from staying around him. Sardonic is often defined with words that are even harder to understand than sardonic itself, it basically just means someone who has a twisted sense of humor, that appears to enjoy misfortune but is really just commenting on it.

As I passed beyond the site of the large banyan tree near the river bank, a strong impulse urged me to look back. There, under the shade of the banyan, and surrounded by a few disciples, sat the great Babaji!

"'Greetings, Swamiji!' The beautiful voice of the master rang out to assure me I was not dreaming. 'I see you have successfully completed your book. As I promised, I am here to thank you.'

"With a fast-beating heart, I prostrated myself fully at his feet. 'Param-guruji,' I said imploringly, 'will you and your chelas not honor my near-by home with your presence?'

"The supreme guru smilingly declined. 'No, child,' he said, 'we are people who like the shelter of trees; this spot is quite comfortable.'

"'Please tarry awhile, Master.' I gazed entreatingly at him. 'I shall be back at once with some special sweetmeats.'

"When I returned in a few minutes with a dish of delicacies, lo! the lordly banyan no longer sheltered the celestial troupe. I searched all around the ghat, but in my heart I knew the little band had already fled on etheric wings.

"I was deeply hurt. 'Even if we meet again, I would not care to talk to him,' I assured myself. 'He was unkind to leave me so suddenly.' This was a wrath of love, of course, and nothing more.

"A few months later I visited Lahiri Mahasaya in Benares. As I entered his little parlor, my guru smiled in greeting.

"'Welcome, Yukteswar,' he said. 'Did you just meet Babaji at the threshold of my room?'

"'Why, no,' I answered in surprise.

"'Come here.' Lahiri Mahasaya touched me gently on the forehead; at once I beheld, near the door, the form of Babaji, blooming like a perfect lotus.

"I remembered my old hurt, and did not bow. Lahiri Mahasaya looked at me in astonishment.

"The divine guru gazed at me with fathomless eyes. 'You are annoyed with me.'

"'Sir, why shouldn't I be?' I answered. 'Out of the air you came with your magic group, and into the thin air you vanished.'

"'I told you I would see you, but didn't say how long I would remain.' Babaji laughed softly. 'You were full of excitement. I assure you that I was fairly extinguished in the ether by the gust of your restlessness.'

"I was instantly satisfied by this unflattering explanation. I knelt at his feet; the supreme guru patted me kindly on the shoulder.

"'Child, you must meditate more,' he said. 'Your gaze is not yet faultless you could not see me hiding behind the sunlight.' With these words in the voice of a celestial flute, Babaji disappeared into the hidden radiance.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 16, 2014 08:16 am »

Most fascinating. i also have a 'Babaji' license plate on the vehicle i drive for a bit of added protection and to let others wonder in the midwest U.S.

Steve, I'd be curious to see a pic of that license plate!

i lived at a Vivekananda Monastery in Ganges Michigan for several years.  I had the car parked out front and a lady saw the license. She told me that she went to the Hamalayas with a tourist group of people in hopes of seeing Babaji. Not having sucess in the group; her and a friend left the little group wandering around in a nearby village. She said that two sadhus approached them and one was Babaji. They never said anything.  But Babaji looked into her eyes, reached for her hand and slipped off one of the rings she was wearing. She told me she had hoped to give him the ring if she ever found him. She felt as though a healing radiation passed through  her whole being as he stared in her eyes then the two sadhus left.

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« Reply #3 on: Sep 16, 2014 08:32 am »

A Swami from Sivananda ashram gave me his opinion that Babaji was an archetype.

Who is Babaji? Some specific personage somewhere? Some body sitting in lotus position? Babaji is your own Self. Babaji is everybody. His name is perfect. Babaji is a very common title in India, like Maharajji. "Ji" is appended to a name to denote respect. Baba is so common that one would be hard pressed not to run into a baba at some point.

"The guru is not external."
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 16, 2014 08:47 am »

"An avatar lives in the omnipresent Spirit; for him there is no distance inverse to the square. Only one reason, therefore, can motivate Babaji in maintaining his physical form from century to century: the desire to furnish humanity with a concrete example of its own possibilities. Were man never vouchsafed a glimpse of Divinity in the flesh, he would remain oppressed by the heavy mayic delusion that he cannot transcend his mortality."


"Whenever anyone utters with reverence the name of Babaji," Lahiri Mahasaya said, "that devotee attracts an instant spiritual blessing."

Babaji means father and Amma means mother. The Amma I saw in flesh has given me many spiritual blessings. The Babaji i am speaking of has given me a technique of meditation that has helped me understand and experience spirit. It is a privilege and a blessing to be in the presence of a saint or guru. The darshan given by such a being can permanantly change a chela and his or her consciousness. The guru can manifest internally or externally and is not limited by such concepts. A true guru can be formless or in form. These are limiting concepts of the human  mind.

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« Reply #5 on: Sep 16, 2014 08:46 pm »

A Swami from Sivananda ashram gave me his opinion that Babaji was an archetype.
Who is Babaji? Some specific personage somewhere? Some body sitting in lotus position? Babaji is your own Self. Babaji is everybody. His name is perfect. Babaji is a very common title in India, like Maharajji. "Ji" is appended to a name to denote respect. Baba is so common that one would be hard pressed not to run into a baba at some point.
"The guru is not external."

Brock, true enough that the honorific title in India is widespread, but when speaking of Babaji we usually refer to Mahavatar Babaji the guru of Lahiri Mahasaya, a reincarnated soul, an avatar, not an archetype in the general sense
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 17, 2014 06:28 am »

Brock, true enough that the honorific title in India is widespread, but when speaking of Babaji we usually refer to Mahavatar Babaji the guru of Lahiri Mahasaya, a reincarnated soul, an avatar, not an archetype in the general sense

I know, Mccoy. I was simply giving another viewpoint on the same.

archetype - (in Jungian psychology) a collectively inherited unconscious idea, pattern of thought, image, etc., universally present in individual psyches.

I don't remember asking for this Swami's viewpoint on Babaji. When I used to have a facebook account I was corresponding with him and having semi-regular arguments with him - sometimes heated ones. At one point, he just gave this opinion about Babaji. I know he is particularly interested in an "integral" approach to the spiritual psyche, like Ken Wilber. Especially for westerners. So it's not surprising that he would have been exploring archetypes in relation to the the east bound westerner. This swami was himself an American from in North Carolina. Here is a presentation he gave at what looks like an Ananda center in Italy. You can find out more about him by watching it if you're interested.



Well, I'm not saying that this is my viewpoint about Babaji. And i'm not saying it's not. How could I have a firm viewpoint about such a remote and mysterious figure? I believe there is a lot of fairy tale. But that is all I feel confident enough to say. I plead ignorance.

If we look at this from the highest perspective that the Masters themselves teach, it is that there are not distinctions in the Self. In Babaji's state, there is no difference between Babaji and Mccoy, Babaji and Steve. That omnipresent state means that he is just as much inside of each of you as he is in the picture.





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« Reply #7 on: Sep 18, 2014 02:11 am »

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i suppose that mccoy and i think of Babaji as more real than many would because we have recieved the kriya that he gave us. The 'Maha' mudra , the 'jyoti' mudra the higher kriyas and the assurance we would not have to face dire suffering and collasal fear if we regularly practice kriya. i have had some unusual experiences because of practicing kriya. i am very grateful to Babaji for what he has given to me and the world. We are assured that even uttering the name Babaji with reverence will give an instant blessing. Being a kriyaban has made my life much different then the average joe. We do not follow the beaten path.  It has been worth it!

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« Reply #8 on: Sep 18, 2014 02:21 pm »

"...think of Babaji as more real than many would."

I never said he was not "real". You and Mccoy are both not paying very much attention to what I have actually said. You, particularly, are simply giving me the "party line" and not saying anything I haven't heard a thousand times. Why bother? We don't have to discuss this if you don't want to. I didn't start this thread.

Actually, I don't plan on posting much else in this thread as I don't want to talk frivolously about great yogis like Babaji.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 18, 2014 11:39 pm »

...You and Mccoy are both not paying very much attention to what I have actually said. You, particularly, are simply giving me the "party line" and not saying anything I haven't heard a thousand times. Why bother? We don't have to discuss this if you don't want to. I didn't start this thread.
Actually, I don't plan on posting much else in this thread as I don't want to talk frivolously about great yogis like Babaji.

Hey brock, LOL you have a below zero patience! You heard that 1000 times, so one more time is most probably not going to hurt you!
Also, now that you explained the Jungan sense of the archetype word I can get your drift, I believe.
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 18, 2014 11:47 pm »

...You and Mccoy are both not paying very much attention to what I have actually said. You, particularly, are simply giving me the "party line" and not saying anything I haven't heard a thousand times. Why bother? We don't have to discuss this if you don't want to. I didn't start this thread.
Actually, I don't plan on posting much else in this thread as I don't want to talk frivolously about great yogis like Babaji.

Hey brock, LOL you have a below zero patience! You heard that 1000 times, so one more time is most probably not going to hurt you!
Also, now that you explained the Jungan sense of the archetype word I can get your drift, I believe.

mccoy what I'd like to know is this: If you look at nincompoop's avatar on the side of his posts you will notice this; a curtain behind an archetype. Who is the man behind the curtain?
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 19, 2014 12:13 am »

Steve, I cannot see behind the curtain but I've always wondered about the man in front of it
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 19, 2014 12:28 am »

I also saw the video, but skipped some parts of it. He speaks only shortly about Babaji if I'm not wrong. Also, he 's a former SRF monk then went to India and joined Shivananda's ashram? Sure he's no longer SRF otherwise he couldn't have made a presentation at an Ananda center.
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 19, 2014 01:31 am »

Steve, I cannot see behind the curtain but I've always wondered about the man in front of it

That is what Brock would call an archetype. One that he knows and admires like we do Babaji. When Toto comes you will also see the man behind the curtain. He operates everything here. He is not an archetype. He will not be able to give you anything that you do not already have.

Life is full of misunderstandings but when we get irritated with one another it is best to take a break. How do i know what is in someone's mind and heart? We talk in symbols we understand with our inner ear.  That ear listens intuitively and practices kindness knowing that there are many times we 'think' it is our intuition. Until we are fully enlightened it is best to give others the benefit of the doubt. The mind however follows very convoluted pathways of rationalization. Often it is very evident in people's reactions.

It is important to remember that the gurus played practical jokes on devotees and I have personally had them do it to me. So while we respect them they also wanted us to laugh.
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 19, 2014 04:42 pm »

Hey brock, LOL you have a below zero patience!

definitely

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