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« on: Jun 20, 2009 08:55 pm »

this is an article that was in a yahoo group post. it is the closest thing to how I feel on the subject of Jesus that i did not write myself..sorry it is long
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Conversation with Jeshua by Pamela Kribbe
Jeshua, who are you?
I am the one who has been among you and who you have come to know as
Jesus.
I am not the Jesus of your church tradition or the Jesus of your religious
writings.
I am Jeshua-ben-Joseph; I have lived as a man of flesh and blood.
I did reach Christ consciousness before you, but I was supported in this
by powers which are beyond your imagination at present. My coming was a
cosmic event - I made myself available for this.
It wasn’t easy. I did not succeed in my endeavours to pass on to people
the immensity of God’s love. There was much misunderstanding. I came too
early, but someone had to come. My coming was like throwing a stone in a large
fishpond. All fish flee and the stone sinks into the deep. There are rippl
es noticeable long after though. One might say that the kind of
consciousness I wished to convey, did its work underground after that. At the surface
of the pool there were constant ruffles; well-meant but misguided
interpretations rose to meet and fight each other in my name. The ones who were
touched by my energy, moved by the impulse of Christ energy, could not really
integrate it with their psychological and physical reality.
It has taken a long time before Christ consciousness could set foot on
earth. But now the time has come. And I have returned and speak through many,
through all and to everyone who wants to hear me and who has come to
understand me from the quietness of their hearts. I do not preach and I do not
judge. My sincerest hope is to speak to you of the vast and unfailing
presence of Love, accessible to you at any time.
I am part of a much larger consciousness, a greater entity, but I, Jeshua,
am the incarnated part of that entity (or field of consciousness) . I do
not like the name Jesus much, for it has become so caught up with a distorted
version of what I stand for. ‘Jesus’ is owned by the church traditions
and authorities. He has been molded to fit the interests of the church
patriarchs for centuries, so much so that the prevailing image of Jesus is now so
far removed from what I represent, that it would truly please me if you
could just let it go and release me from that heritage.
I am Jeshua, man of flesh and blood.
I am your friend and brother.
I am familiar with being human in every way.
I am teacher and friend.
Do not fear me. Embrace me like you’d embrace one of your kin.
We are family.

Jeshua, Jesus and Christ
The Christ energy that I came to offer you stems from a collective energy
that has gone beyond the world of duality. This means that it recognizes
the opposites of good and bad, light and dark, giving and taking, as the
aspects of one and the same energy. Living from the reality of Christ
consciousness means that there is no struggle with anything. There is a complete
acceptance of reality. This absence of struggle or resistance is its main
characteristic. Since Christ (or the Christ energy) recognizes the extremes of
all thoughts, feelings and actions as the manifestation of the one divine
energy, there can be no duality, no judgment in the way ‘he’ (the christed
energy) experiences reality.

Let’s give an example here. When the Christ in you watches an armed
conflict between people, her heart weeps for the fate of the beaten one, but she
does not judge. She feels the pain and humiliation with each blow, and her
heart is filled with compassion, but she does not judge. She watches the
offender, the one with the gun, who has power, who inflicts pain, and she
feels……..the hatred and bitterness inside of him, and her heart grieves, but
she does not judge. The heart of Christ embraces the whole spectacle with
deeply felt compassion, but without judgment, for she recognizes all aspects
as experiences she has gone through herself. She herself has lived out all
of these roles, of offender and victim, of master and slave, and she has
come to the understanding that she is neither of them, but that which
underlies both.
The Christ energy has passed through all the energies of duality. It
identified itself now with the dark, then with the light, but through it all,
something remained the same. And when she realized this “sameness”
underlying all her experiences, her consciousness obtained a new kind of unity: it
was “christed”. The christed energy was the energy I came to offer you.

Who I was is quite difficult to explain. I will try so by distinguishing
between three ‘identities’: Jeshua, Jesus, and Christ.

I, the one who is now speaking, am Jeshua. I was the human being who
carried the Christ energy in my incarnation on Earth. This energy may also be
called Christ.

Jesus - in my terminology - is the name for the Godlike man who was the
result of the infusion of Christ energy into the physical and psychological
reality of Jeshua.

This Christ energy was poured into Jeshua from spheres of Light which are
- from your standpoint - located in your future. Jesus was the man who
performed miracles and put forward prophesies. Jesus was an emissary from the
spheres of light, incarnated in me. In fact, he was my future self. Jesus
was, from my perspective as the man Jeshua living on earth, my future self,
who had become one with the Christ energy. Because the Christ in him was
clearly present and visible to many people around him, he appeared to them as
divine.
I, Jeshua, was a man of flesh and blood. The unique and to some extent
artificial aspect of the “Jesus-construction” was that I received his/my
Christed self from the future. I did not become christed on the basis of my
past and the experiences therein. I did not achieve enlightenment in a natural
way, but by means of an intervention from outside so to speak, by an
infusion of Christ energy from the future. I had agreed to play this role before
I began this lifetime. I agreed to be ‘overshadowed’ by the Jesus
presence, as an act of service, and also because of a deeply felt longing to get
to know the reality of my deepest potentials.
Jesus, my future self from the spheres of light, had become one with the
Christ energy. Yet he did not represent the entire energy of Christ here on
earth, for this energy encompasses more than Jesus. He is one part or cell
of it.

Christ or the Christ energy (it is more like an energy field than a
personal entity) is a collective energy which has many aspects or “cells”, which
are cooperating in such a way that they function as one “organism”. All
cells make a unique contribution to the whole and experience themselves as
individuals while being part of the whole as well. One might call these
several aspects of the Christ energy angels or arch-angels. It is the hallmark
of angels that they have a sense of individuality as well as a high-degree
of selflessness, which allows them to feel one with collective energies and
be joyfully in their service. The notion of (arch) angels is elucidated in
the last chapter of the Lightworker series ('Your Light Self').

Jesus’ mission on earth
Jesus was an energy from the future who came to earth to bring
illumination and knowledge to humanity. He came from another world or even dimension,
and he brought with him the elevated energy of this reality. His awareness
of his own Greater Self remained intact while he incarnated on earth.
Because of his presence in me, Jeshua, I could easily realize the flexibility of
material laws and “perform miracles”.

The reason why the Jesus/Jeshua personality came to earth was to create an
opening or doorway to a different state of consciousness. I wanted to set
an example of the possibilities that are available to each human being.

In the spheres of light where Jesus came from, it was felt that the earth
was going into a direction which would end up in great darkness and
self-alienation for the souls involved in the earth experiment. It was decided that
a powerful impetus for change was going to be given which would clearly
show human beings the choices available to them. By sending the energy
personality of Jesus, we wanted to hold up a mirror to human beings and remind
them of their own divine origin and the dormant potentials they carried
within. The potentials for peace, freedom and mastership over yourself.
Every human being is the master of his own reality. You are creating your
own reality all the time. You are able to let go of a miserable or
unsatisfying reality and allow Light to enter and transform your creation. Man is
his own master, but he tends to give his power away to outside authorities
who claim to know the truth and to want the best for you. This happens in
politics, medicine, education, and etcetera. Also, your “entertainment
industry” is full of false images about happiness, success and beauty, which
serve no one except the ones who construct them. Have you ever thought about
how much money is spent just creating images? In the media, the newspapers,
the movies, on radio and television, images are spread all the time. Where
do these images come from? Why are they there? Who designs them?

Images are a means of exerting power over people. Images can make people
subservient and disconnected from their true needs, without the use of
physical force or violence. Images can make people voluntarily give away their
own power and self-worth. They delude you in such a way that you need not be
violently forced into anything; you will accept the values portrayed by
the image as your own and act accordingly. This is what we would call
invisible mind-control and it is rampant among your ‘free’ western societies.
The function of Light is primarily to bring clarity, awareness and
transparency to the invisible structures of thought and feeling that shape your
life. Light is the opposite of mind-control. Where Light enters a reality, it
breaks the bonds of mere power and authority and it breaks down the
hierarchies based on it. It holds misuse of power up to the light and it frees
people of delusions and illusions that take away their power for
self-determination.
Jesus was a threat to the ruling order at the time he lived. By what he
told people and sheerly by what he radiated, he caused structures of power to
be seen for what they truly were. This was unbearable and unacceptable for
the existing hierarchy.
The role of Lightworker, which Jesus took upon him, was heavy; especially
for me, Jeshua, the human being who agreed to carry this intense, bright
energy in my lifetime. I, Jeshua, was almost overshadowed by the force of
Jesus’ presence, the presence of my future self! Although it filled me with
great insights, love and inspiration, it was quite a challenge physically to
carry or “hold” his energy. I could not really integrate his energy into
my physical being - the cells in my body were ‘not ready’ for it yet - so
on a physical level my body got exhausted from carrying these intense
energies of Light.
Apart from the physical aspect, there was also a psychological burden to
carrying the Christ energy. I found it very hard to watch the nature of the
Christ energy being misunderstood frequently, even by my closest friends or
‘disciples’. As the human being that I was, I sometimes became desperate
and doubted the value of the journey I undertook. I felt that the world was
not ready for the Christed energy. I felt that its essence was not
recognised. Jesus was truly a pioneer in his time.

Results of Jesus’ coming to earth
By the coming of Jesus to earth, a seed was planted. It was the seed of
the Christ energy. People were moved by what I said and did, and
unconsciously, at the soul-level, they did recognize the Christ energy. Deep within
their souls, a memory was stirred. Something was touched and set in motion.
At the surface, on the level of what can be seen and felt in the physical
world, my coming created much commotion. In virtue of the law of duality,
the powerful infusion of Light creates a powerful reaction from the Dark.
This is just a matter of logic. Light is confronting. It wants to break
structures of power and set the imprisoned energies free. Darkness is the energy
that wants to suppress and control. So these two energies have opposing
interests. Where one gains in power, the other will strike back to defend
itself and regain balance. Thus, my coming to earth also initiated much
struggle and violence, as a counter reaction to the Light I came to spread.
The persecution of my followers, the early Christians, is one example of
this violent counter reaction. But the Christians themselves, the founders
of the Church, did not shun violence either in their pursuit to spread my
teachings. Think of the crusades and the Inquisition. In the name of Christ,
the most barbaric deeds of darkness have been performed, by Christians as
well as non-Christians.
The masters of Light, who decided to send me as an emissary to earth, were
aware of the fact that the intense and unprecedented energy of Jesus might
invoke strong reactions of darkness. Jesus penetrated the reality of earth
like a comet. It was a kind of emergency measure from the spheres of
light, from energies which were deeply concerned with earth and its inhabitants.
It was an ultimate attempt to divert the direction in which the earth was
heading, a way of interrupting cycles of ignorance and destruction which
kept on repeating themselves.
The results were ambiguous. On the one hand, the Light of Jesus invoked
much Darkness (by way of counter reaction). On the other hand, the seed of
the Christ consciousness was planted in the hearts of a number of people. An
important reason for my coming was to awaken the lightworker souls on
earth. (See the other channelled material for an explanation of the notion of
lightworker) . They would be most sensitive and receptive of my energy,
although many had become lost in the density and darkness of the earth plane as
well. Lightworkers are in fact emissaries of Light with the same mission as
Jesus. The difference is that in their incarnation in a physical body, they
are less connected to their wider divine Self than I was. They are more
subject to the karmic burdens and illusions of the earth plane. They are more
bound to the past. With the incarnation of Jesus, something special was
occurring. Jesus did not carry any karmic burdens from the past and he could
therefore more easily keep in touch with his divinity. He was here in a
somewhat artificial way, a presence from the future, being here and there at
the same time.
The consciousness of the beings of Light which jointly decided to ‘insert’
the energy of Jesus into earth reality at the time was not perfect and
all-knowing. Every conscious being is in the process of developing and
understanding itself all the time. Among humans, there is a persistent belief
that everything is predestined by some divine plan; behind this belief is the
notion of a dominant, omniscient God. This notion is false. There is no
predestination by an outside force. There are only probabilities which are the
result from inner choices you yourself make. My coming to earth was based
on a decision made by a collective energy of light, which Jesus was a part
of. It was a choice that involved risks and an unpredictable outcome.

The collective energy of light I am speaking of is an angelic realm that
is deeply connected to humanity and earth because it helped to create man
and earth. Actually, you are part of them and not separate from them at all,
but we are now speaking multidimensionally, i.e. on a level of
consciousness that is outside of your linear framework of time. In another dimension or
framework of time, you are these angels that make up the spheres of
light, from which Jesus descended to earth. (See the last chapter of the
Lightworker series ('Your Light Self') for an in-depth explanation of
multidimensionality and your angelic nature).You – lightworkers - are much more
interconnected with ‘the Jesus event’, this infusion of Christ energy on earth,
than you suppose. It was to some extent a collective endeavour, to which you
all contributed, and from which I, Jeshua, was the visible, physical
representative.
My message was that the Christ energy is present in all human beings as a
seed. When you look up to me as some kind of authority, you have
misunderstood my message.

I wished and still wish to invite you to believe in yourself, to find the
truth within your own heart, and not to believe in any authority outside of
you.

Ironically, the official Christian religion has placed me outside of your
reality as an authority to worship and obey. This is quite the opposite of
what I intended. I intended to show you that you can be a living Christ
yourself.

I now ask you to recognize the Christ within, and to return to me my
humanness.

I am Jeshua, man of flesh and blood, and truly a friend and brother to you
all.

© Pamela Kribbe
_www.jeshua. net_ (http://www.jeshua. net/)

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« Reply #1 on: Jun 20, 2009 10:44 pm »

Thank you for sharing... Welcome.

Read the whole thing, but it was only one and a half readings...  Also checked the name & web listing source (www.jeshua. net) to confirm source.  Interesting.

I can comprehend statement that it speaks to you.  I as well view some common threads of truth in the concepts within the words.  Yet also some challenging spots or a bit of noise.  (like me, nothing is perfect, but may serve it's purpose...)  But yes, the concept of Christ Consciousness within each resonates with me -- that potential Son of God that each Son of Man "is".

In general, my nature (right or wrong) is to avoid the (far end of spectrum of) psychic channels -- while within physic channeling may exist brilliant reflections, the continuity, clarity, quality seems to vary greatly.  Perhaps as function of the  quality of the source and attunement of the reciever.   An entity (source) in different plane of existance may have insight, yet that alone often does not translate to pure wisdom... yet may be of great assistance, just as Shakespeare, music, and other sources...   Sorry, not trying to tear down... suppose trying to consider... give it some reflection... discuss, as this is the point of this forum...

The spot about "future" kinda lost it for this one... time is one of the four ideas... and seems like it kinda says that there was this entity/human (Jeshua), and some force/entities   granted/dispensated the christ consciousness and/or a human had to allow it to "overshadow", and then had to learn to understand it later...   hmmnnnn...  as compared concept of Avatar... perfected and merged, returning within creation in love and service... 

General Statement = many messages are the same, yet come across unique... both may strike at same chord, yet the listener may hear (by subjective limitations) a difference where none exists...  so, hey... the Jeshua concept may very well blend with a concept of this one... or perhaps not...  let's see... here's some words from this one... over simplified... apologies..

for each manifestation (of the "One in many") at core is "true being" existing within/without/All.  "Creation" exhibits Four Ideas (Time, Space, Atom, The Word) -- these (maya / ignorance) allude to sheaths or coverings that obscure "true being" (i.e. - Christ Consciousness, Cosmic Consciousness, Merged, etc.)...  "true being" is simply the law of Spirit and Nature... part of each (of us)... that "each" is same in "What", that it is moreso a varying in the "degree" of consciousness / realization / manifestation of "true being"...  that there is only indivisible/single "moment"... there is no future state to attain... more that unfolding of moment is similar to being content as the observer (or drop of water) of the flow of water in a lake/river/ocean/rain cycle... 

Well, perhaps this reply is simply noise...   regardless, some energy into the forum (with loving vibrations)...   it is what it is (and what it is not)...
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 08, 2010 12:36 am »

hi  Smiley

Living from the reality of Christ
consciousness means that there is no struggle with anything. There is a complete
acceptance of reality.

The heart of Christ embraces the whole spectacle with
deeply felt compassion, but without judgment, for she recognizes all aspects
as experiences she has gone through herself.


The potentials for peace, freedom and mastership over yourself.
Every human being is the master of his own reality. You are able to let go of a miserable or
unsatisfying reality and allow Light to enter and transform your creation. Smiley

The function of Light is primarily to bring clarity, awareness and
transparency to the invisible structures of thought and feeling that shape your
life.

 
I found it very hard to watch the nature of the
Christ energy being misunderstood frequently, even by my closest friends
or
‘disciples’. Cry

Light is confronting. It wants to break
structures of power and set the imprisoned energies free. Darkness is the energy
that wants to suppress and control.

I wished and still wish to invite you to believe in yourself, to find the
truth within your own heart, and not to believe in any authority outside of
you.

 Smiley Smiley Smiley






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« Reply #3 on: Mar 09, 2010 09:14 am »

hi  Smiley


I wished and still wish to invite you to believe in yourself, to find the
truth within your own heart, and not to believe in any authority outside of
you.

 Smiley Smiley Smiley


Why even believe in yourself why not experience Your Self?

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« Reply #4 on: Aug 16, 2010 10:09 pm »

hi  Smiley



 

Light is confronting. It wants to break
structures of power and set the imprisoned energies free. Darkness is the energy
that wants to suppress and control.

 Smiley Smiley Smiley


Thanks for acknowledging this Eric It seems that sometimes in the role of light we are confronted with the energy that wants to suppress and control. When we are aware of this it becomes easier to know what our immediate path and course of action or inaction should be.
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If Jesus love was so vast and deep, how did he handle rejection? You can never unlove that which you have loved... or can you..? So many he loved and those same people despised him... a friend betrayed him.. does this mean his lovers cheated him? Rejected him and cast him out?
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If Jesus love was so vast and deep, how did he handle rejection? You can never unlove that which you have loved... or can you..? So many he loved and those same people despised him... a friend betrayed him.. does this mean his lovers cheated him? Rejected him and cast him out?

With that kind of power I imagine you can handle lots of things, besides, if he really was God himself, then rejection is something you created anyhow. Quite the paradox really.

Maybe he didn't become too attached to this earth like we do. I read a story about someone who tried to get a little close to PY and wasn't really successful. Yogananda sort of kept a certain distance.

It kind of makes sense, how can you want to leave if you're so passionate about this place? It has nothing to do with being heartless, I think it has more to do with understanding.


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« Reply #7 on: Nov 14, 2017 05:02 pm »

If Jesus love was so vast and deep, how did he handle rejection? You can never unlove that which you have loved... or can you..? So many he loved and those same people despised him... a friend betrayed him.. does this mean his lovers cheated him? Rejected him and cast him out?

With that kind of power I imagine you can handle lots of things, besides, if he really was God himself, then rejection is something you created anyhow. Quite the paradox really.

Maybe he didn't become too attached to this earth like we do. I read a story about someone who tried to get a little close to PY and wasn't really successful. Yogananda sort of kept a certain distance.

It kind of makes sense, how can you want to leave if you're so passionate about this place? It has nothing to do with being heartless, I think it has more to do with understanding.

These are some deep thoughts from both of u guys. I really like the tenure of this conversation its at an emtional level where many people meet that cannot come together in other ways. Perhaps in a sense the whole story of Jesus was also enacted to bring people together beyond their social and political views.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 14, 2017 07:29 pm »

These are some deep thoughts from both of u guys. I really like the tenure of this conversation its at an emtional level where many people meet that cannot come together in other ways. Perhaps in a sense the whole story of Jesus was also enacted to bring people together beyond their social and political views.

Yet the Jesus story has brought thousands against each other as well, in the name of religion using his name on the banner.

Makes you wonder about the reason for the enactment, or if the results were as expected.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 15, 2017 04:44 am »

If Jesus love was so vast and deep, how did he handle rejection? You can never unlove that which you have loved... or can you..? So many he loved and those same people despised him... a friend betrayed him.. does this mean his lovers cheated him? Rejected him and cast him out?

You may find u are unable to unlove what u have loved but their are people with hearts of stone; it only takes the rite circumstances to become aware of their heartlessness.
It may interest u that ParamahansaYogananda said the
cricifixtion didn't hurt Jesus so much as all his friends leaving him and denying him.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 15, 2017 07:27 am »

You may find u are unable to unlove what u have loved but their are people with hearts of stone; it only takes the rite circumstances to become aware of their heartlessness.
It may interest u that ParamahansaYogananda said the
cricifixtion didn't hurt Jesus so much as all his friends leaving him and denying him.

There are people who don't give a rats, we know that.

Not so sure PY is correct. I think the entire ordeal was damn painful. We are made in his image, that should mean that kind of pain would likely trump most thoughts of how others are treating you.

He still had lots of folks that did not give up faith. It was the soldiers that instilled fear on friends, lest it happen to you. But that does not break faith. Sure there's always those who are not your true friends. And he knew that going in.

We don't know really, we weren't there, and can only throw out guesses.

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