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« on: Jan 14, 2013 01:58 am »

the laws i think hold true exist not in a manuscript forged by a few single men but come directly from nature. the laws that govern this planet are the same for neighboring planets in our local universe. i can't talk like i know what karma is but it makes me think it is simply a word used to describe something like cause and effect.   

Yes Eric: cause and effect.

There r many different kinds of karma that r based on action/reaction or cause and effect as you have said.

There is the karma of individuals. The karma of nations etc. and there is 'good karma' and 'bad karma' and karma that is easy to remedy. There is karma that can be mitigated and there is karma that has to b endured. There r ways to burn off karma. The Kriya lessons in the SRF Lessons offer a way to burn off karma. Pujas r held to burn off karma.

There r planets that symbolize karma from the past. Saturn is such a planet. Although all the planets tell us of the way we have reacted to past events and how they r now manifesting Saturn is the father of karma and where it lies in the chart shows us where we r dealing with karmic issues and where we r serious about doing something about what we have created in the past.

There r people who burn off our karma. For instance it was said that Jesus came to pay for our sins. Let us explore the meaning of this word in a thread. The word comes from India and the science of religion that comes from that area so i have put it under a category associated with it's origins. Does anyone want to offer something about Karma?

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 14, 2013 07:00 pm »

For instance there are karmic reasons we came into this incarnation.

Eric came in with a predisposition to work out unconscious fears and factors that manifest in his life and he wants to understand them. Relationships come into his life that have a destined feel about them which help him in this process. There r many illuninations and sudden realizations that come to him that have a karmic background to them. He is learning about the inner stirrings and workings of his unconscious this life and more and more they become a means of self expression.

Serena has karma manifesting in her encounters with relationships. They become a serious element of her learning about herself. Even though they can b challenging at times relationships provide the territory for seeing herself more clearer and improving her own relationships becomes a life goal.

Prabhatsina also works out karma thru relationships and finds that often challenging encounters with people
close to him create trials for him. Men in his life, including his father seem to be a confronting area for him and getting along in close relationships can challenge his environmental settings.

Yoshi finds that encounters in groups and with friends challenges her. There values do not always coincide with hers so it makes her feel like an outsider. Her father and men who have a controling factor over her in her choice of friends and personal values will cause a reevaluation of personal values and her relationships to groups and friends. hopes, wishes and ideals for her life take on a serious tone.

Comet has responsibilities with her communication skills. She can feel inhibited at times because of some of the difficulties associated with communicating with others. If she has brothers and sisiters they too become a karmic lesson. Short travels and small communication turn out to be much more serious in nature this is because of the karmic factor she had brought to this life. She would like to communicate without all the hassles that come along with it.

Namaste2All finds his very surroundings filled with responsibilities and serious challenges. It is easy to feel abit imprisoned by all these constant reponsibilities to others and in his environment. If he is not careful this works out in his health as a reaction to not having enough free time to enjoy work out and just live with the freedom to do as he would like.

Kurtzie works out major karma thru health related issues and responsibilities in the vacinity where she moves about helping others. Her home and her relations with her brothers and sisters provide karmic lessons in her life. Her communications become serious when, for instance, she sees something like this on the board.  Smiley So i will keep it short and sweet.  Grin

Well folks i brought karma down to a personal level. i could have included more people but i put those i have seen on the forum lately. i might add and subtract some here and there. So you may want to look back. As i often do this with posts. Enjoy your life. That is why we are here;To enjoy the entertainment provided daily. Call me if you'd like. i enjoy hearing from all of you. See u at the movies.

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 03, 2013 09:23 am »

Karma literally: action. That is the actions we have done in the past, the actions we are doing now and the actions we will do in the future. Or the lack of actions. We are influenced a lot by our environment. So we may act very differently in various ages we have lived and around many people that are around us. For instance we may have a lot of food so we do not have to spend much of our time searching for it or cultivating it like we might in another time and culture. If we have a strong antipathy towards something we will attract it to us.

Paramahansa Yogananda said that those people who hate other races will be born in the race they hate next life. As Jesus was abe to burn off the karma of others also Paramahansa Yogananda was said to work off the karma of others on his own body. He was in a wheel chair in the later part of his life working off the karma of others. Sometimes he would get up and walk though to show that he was not limited by the confines of the wheel chair and body.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Make no mistake about this: You can never make a fool out of God. Whatever you plant is what you'll harvest.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

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Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

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Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.




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« Reply #3 on: Dec 19, 2013 07:35 pm »

Three Types of Karma

There is a delay between most of our actions and their results. Later on we are unable to make the connection. It may come back to us in a totally different person. The first type of karma can be taken care of quickly by an adjustment in our behavior or attitude. The second requires remedial action. For example if we get cancer. The third type of karma we can only endure and pray about..... 

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« Reply #4 on: Dec 30, 2013 02:16 am »

Some people have deposited a great amount of good deeds in their bank of karma. Life is cyclic. Death a period at the end of a sentence. Our karma will come to us regardless of our situation. Whether we are aware of it or not, we are not individual lands or islands. We are linked to a chain.

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« Reply #5 on: Dec 31, 2013 03:15 am »

2nd step to liberation - start throwing rose petals in the air



I really like this saying.

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For instance there are karmic reasons we come into this incarnation.

Eric came in with a predisposition to work out unconscious fears and factors that manifest in his life and he wants to understand them. Relationships come into his life that have a destined feel about them which help him in this process. There r many illuninations and sudden realizations that come to him that have a karmic background to them. He is learning about the inner stirrings and workings of his unconscious this life and more and more they become a means of self expression.

Interestingly enough, most of my fears or insecurities are noticeable the more invested I am in a Relationship.
Maybe this is the Nature of Man. Suffering exist for a Reason I suppose. I would like to Free Myself from these Fears. Practicing Faith and placing Trust in something outside yourself is indeed a Difficult task. The more I grow and Realize the Responsible and Caring Mentality my parents demonstrate- The more I am at awe for their ability to Let Go and Trust- Despite all the bad things that can go wrong.

Why Worry about it though ? It is Difficult when you Love someone. I wonder if my Fears stem from a Past Life  or if it is the Lack of Earthly Experience in this life. It is something deep and my Present Life hasn't been the hardest for me to say I know where my Worries are coming from.

Hmm, Thank you. I've been curious lately. G2g for now.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 06, 2014 07:46 pm »

The reason and response to poverty were amazingly delt with in the life of Jesus. Think of the joy of someone being told: 'Follow Me'. To be in the presence of an Avatar. I have! There are people who make you richer by being in their presence and deprived by their absence. Yet there was one who was told 'sell everything and give to the poor'. Now; let us ask the simple question who was really poor and who was really rich? So you see karma can be very deceptive. So it is plain to see that we cannot judge and understand karma by an outer display. I have been  around people who think they are rich but have found much more joy in the hearts of those who were not bounded and gagged by the entrapment of financial wealth. Of course there are exceptions to every situation. Such is the character of duality.

Yet often we are blessed to have such people caught in the spider web of finacial wealth leave us before we to have our very life blood sucked up by the black widow who catches us in her web.

 I had the good fortune (karma) to see Daya Mata several times and in person at the Mother Center. She said: 'It is so wonderful to be in love.' Having that presence of God with us and recognizing it makes our conditions appear very different. We are no longer in the grips of outward display that reinforces our existence because we become rich with being.

Karma is not a static phenomena but rather dynamic. There is the karma that comes to us and we simply make a few adjustments and it is taken care of. There is the karma that requires remedial action and there is karma that we must endure and pray about. There is also karma of nations and karma of our earth to name a few. Our understanding of concepts such as karma expands and changes as we evolve and we find ourselves in higher yugas.

So we see that many times in history nations have taken action to relieve the social inequalities that exist. This is something that Obama is making an effort to do. Yet there will always be those who resist the progress of time and evolution. They themselves are blocked in their own evolution. As we once had slavery we now see economic slavery. It is for us to recognize when the karma of a people is changing and the resistance to that change that thwarts progress.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 25, 2014 08:14 pm »

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Also, I wonder about what my happen in this life, because of things I've done in past lives, and even mistakes in this one...  Ram Dass says "our Karma is our Dharma," which makes sense to me.  I want to own all the things others have done to me, and own my responses to them, and learn from all of this, so I can make healthier decisions of who to trust and how much in the future, among other things I can learn from these Sacred Life Events.

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yes what we experience now is indeed our karma/dharma. This idea of karma has many facets as I have already brought up in this thread: karma. It is important to realize that in various ways we can lessen our karma and burn it off. According to ParamahansaYogananda one kriya done properly burns off 1 year of karma and hastens evolution. I have also included some of Amma 's ideas on dealing with the cause/effect notion of karma. (See reply#4 Dec. 14 and reply#5 above; Dec. 30)
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 26, 2014 02:13 am »

1st step to liberation - stop throwing / lofting stones in the air - they come back down !  (imagine lofting them real high so they come down further down the path, right as you walk under that path... but some thrown farther or closer down the path, no telling).

2nd step to liberation - start throwing rose petals in the air

(neat thing occurs when we evolve in these first steps)
the LAW of cause and effect
means eventually the stones from way back are diminished/exhausted (if we stop lobbing them).
BUT even more significant is that BEYOND LAW is DIVINE GRACE...
it is like an umbrella
it might act like a filter and protect us from big boulders or rocks, and only let little pebbles or rose petals thru...

When we we understand the notion that what comes around goes around we usually do what is in accordance with divine law to avoid the pitfalls of karma. It seems to me that most of us that are reading this post create karma because they are not able to always distinguish what choices are best for the situation. There are many situations in life that are grey in nature. For these situations we are effected and the people around us are whether we make a choice or do not. In this sense i do not find your analogy holds up Scott. Sometimes we hold heavy flowers and very light rocks. We are blinded and we do not know what to throw up on the air. If we throw nothing the law of karma effects us for taking no action when we can not stand still and wait any longer.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 26, 2014 03:14 am »

I keep realizing over and over again that when we are weighing things (should I do this, should I do that) we are caught in the mind. We are acting out of thinking and not awareness. We are divided beings. We have to live totally and when we do there can be no cause for regret. It is only in partial living that we have regret. Because we wanted to go one way and we went the other. We acted out of an idea instead of out of direct perception of what the moment calls for. When we try to impose our ideas, which are thought up and derive from the past, onto the present we are living an unmeditative life. No matter how good our intentions are, they still fail. It is because we are living in thought, concepts, judgment, in ideals, in fantasy, that the moment - THE one moment we have - which is this life in toto, that moment eludes us. It is always a little bit ahead of us or always a little bit behind. We are never here, now. If we try to correct our notions of past karma, we are still living in the past. If we try to create good karma for a future, we are caught in the future. This moment escapes us throughout life. The simplicity of awareness makes it elusive.
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 28, 2014 03:06 am »

I keep realizing over and over again that when we are weighing things (should I do this, should I do that) we are caught in the mind. We are acting out of thinking and not awareness. We are divided beings. We have to live totally and when we do there can be no cause for regret. It is only in partial living that we have regret. Because we wanted to go one way and we went the other. We acted out of an idea instead of out of direct perception of what the moment calls for. When we try to impose our ideas, which are thought up and derive from the past, onto the present we are living an unmeditative life. No matter how good our intentions are, they still fail. It is because we are living in thought, concepts, judgment, in ideals, in fantasy, that the moment - THE one moment we have - which is this life in toto, that moment eludes us. It is always a little bit ahead of us or always a little bit behind. We are never here, now. If we try to correct our notions of past karma, we are still living in the past. If we try to create good karma for a future, we are caught in the future. This moment escapes us throughout life. The simplicity of awareness makes it elusive.

Your concepts are interesting/helpful Brock. Yet there are many things in life that require planning. We can be in the moment planning, however it is still for a future outcome.
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 16, 2014 03:17 pm »

Why does friendship and love often vanish? Why does love have the nasty habit of disappearing over nite? Paramahansa Yogananda has this observation;  "Do not poison friendship by demand and compulsion and wrong familiarity; or by discourtesy, or harsh speech, or mental cruelty." That is what he says not to do. What does he say to do? "Friendship consists in becoming increasingly useful in every way (materially and spiritually) to your friends. Therefore. keep unceasingly developing if you want to be a good friend, or to inspire friends or to receive others as your friends."  

Do we create karma when we dream? According to the SRF ministers we do. The karma is not as strong as in the 'waking state' but nevertheless we create karma when we are asleep so it is important to watch our thoughts. Last nite before I went to bed i was reading the above quote by Paramahansa Yogananda and I woke up to memories of helping a spiritual family in my dreams. When i was done i went to a SRF occasion and talked to the leader of the group. I asked her if I could help in some way. She told me that she had asked many friends but none could help and she needed help right away because she had to be somewhere and needed many things moved. So i told her I would be there.

It strikes me as interesting that just before I went to sleep I was reading about this. It shows that we can control our thoughts-even in our dreams-if we prompt ourselves to have kind and helpful dreams before sleep by concentrating on such thoughts before sleeping.

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« Reply #12 on: Aug 16, 2014 08:36 pm »

Are we dreaming now? Ramana Maharshi said the only difference between the waking and the dreaming state is that wakefulness lasts long and dreams are short. He said that we create a new body when we dream. As long as there is a sense of "I" hood there will be karma whether it is in this body or another body or another plane of consciousness.

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« Reply #13 on: Jul 25, 2015 04:56 pm »

We have all had the experience of knowing someone who acted as an enemy. Are such people karmic? Or are they just doing bad things? And how do we love such difficult souls?

What is the Karma of a soul? Basically it is the consequences the soul is confronted with in any given lifetime, resulting from actions initiated by that soul in prior life times. It is the result of responses by the individual in former incarnations to situations in a phenomenal realm usually involving the well being of other individuals. For instance, if the situation occurred where someone was mistreated by another the former may respond with hate anger or a grudge or that person might instead forgive and "learn to love thine enemies". Assuming the individual responded with hate and anger then the Karma of that individual would reap similar circumstances time and time again until the Soul learns to respond with compassion and forgiveness (Venus). As a point of interest the individual who initiated  the mistreatment would also set up a Karmic circumstance whereby that soul might be placed in similar situations with the roles now reversed in order to learn the same lesson of compassion. In both cases the Law of Retribution has been put into motion, consequently bringing forth new situations, new lessons, new means by which a Soul may yet evolve to the Wholeness of Spirit, depending upon how the soul responds to these new Karmic situations.

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« Reply #14 on: Jul 25, 2015 07:24 pm »

Insecure people, on the other hand, need to have someone out there, somewhere in their lives, that they haven't let go of.

Also learn to let go. Relationships come and go, we're human and they don't always work. Often, they never work. All things pass.

If you have unprocessed relationships, it's because you're still plugged in, or connected to someone, and they are not connected to you. They have hurt you, so there's a Karma there, but the Karma is always with yourself. It's not with the world. The Karma center is inside you. The only way you can make a peace with that person that hurt you, is to make a piece with yourself. When you do that it's clear, it's that simple.

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