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« on: Dec 20, 2013 02:03 pm »


These comments are a result of reading and contemplating the discourse about  'Driving the Money Changers Out of the Temple'. In the Bible Paramahansa Yogananda discusses how at times we can justifiably use forceful behavior as a righteous response to wrongdoing.

Guruji does mention here that even a psuedo display of anger should not be attempted by one who looses their temper and self control in violent behavior. Throughout my life i have seen this misuse of spirituality in those who claim to have it yet are out of control. Their behavior certainly does not reflect that of a spiritual human being nor does it have the consequence of the behavior sought in others. It is only a rationalization for being out of control and shows the actual and true nature of the individual. These kind of people are notorious for causing scenes in their environment.

This i can attest to with personal testimony. Most spiritually minded humans are changed by appealing to their conscious and not violent displays that only show  immaturity in behavior. i have seen this at temples and on spiritual forums; at times involving my life and at times involving the lives of spiritual friends. This i can attest to having lived in monasteries, been on spiritual forums and around temples most of my life.

To have calmness and peace in behavior and to be able to discriminate when to exhibit such forceful behavior (righteous anger) is certainly laudable but untenable by most aspirants who are still struggling with their own habits, passions and desires-which they seek and practice and have not conquered. In fact, under the guise of acting angry- for so called spiritual reasons- by most spiritual aspirants, only shows the level of their spiritual awareness. Their behavior gives us a barometer reading of their spiritual development. This helps us gauge it accurately. Often what we initially intuited about their behavior patterns is outwwardly displayed in a moment of anger that causes destruction to friendship and spiritual insight.... still they have a lot to learn and control in their own nature and personality.... in fact we have a discription of the consequences of anger  by Master in a foot note in this discourse...

"Anger breeds delusion; dilusion breeds loss of memory (of the Self). Loss of right memory causes decay of the discriminating faculty. From decay of discrimination, annihilation  (of spiritual life) follows."
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 14, 2015 07:40 pm »

Anger is sometimes a continual part of a person's make up. We can get an accurate appraisal of how much a person cares about us if they show anger without any remorse or apology. It shows a lack of gratitude and an inability to watch the show without judgement. After all it is God's movie and movie theater here on earth. Some people start believing it is their own.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 21, 2015 05:16 am »

It seems like we often get angry with those we love. For once at another time and place we were bathed together in a most warm and soothing energy. Why tarnish beautiful memories with anger? There is nothing righteous about this... just something wrongteous.

To b truly loving is to take u on journey that never ends. It is the journey back to our true home in spirit. You know those we meet by their spirit. If their spirit is loving it will not resort to anger towards those who share love with them. For love heals all... all wounds.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2015 02:55 pm »

There are very few people who can use righteous anger effectively. Usually their actions serve to cause a forest fire behind them and to destroy relationships and friendships. Anger is perceived as someone out of control and as a temper tantrum because someone's ego has somehow been insulted and they seek some kind of revenge in the aftermath. If there is a rational for such behavior it is totally lost in the out-of-control reactions that have arose from anger.

More then likely anger is a sign of not getting your own way-for most people. Anger causes communication to end. Anger causes more misunderstandings. Anger-as Sri Yukteswar has described- arises out of thwarted desire. Quite often anger is recognized by others as means of destroying the reputation and efforts of others because of not having things done according to the angered persons willful and misdirected desires.

When anger is directed at a spiritually sensitive person it is like being used as a lightning rod for the other persons anger. This is very destructive to spiritual growth. It is best to distance ourselves temporarily or permanently from people who do not or will not recognize their own anger.

The only persons that really could possibly use anger correctly are Masters and they do not generally do so. The reason being it sets a bad example and the only reason that it possibly can be used is because ultimately a Master is above the laws set down by God and can go beyond those laws if needed but rarely do they.

So far, in my life, i have never seen an example of anger having any good results, but rather, shows a lack of spiritual understanding and causes destruction to beautiful and long worked on relationships.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2015 04:55 am »

Our spirits long to b at peace. Anger, restlessness, greed,
strong passions these all take from the peace we seek;
That which we really are.
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2015 02:48 pm »

100% of the time I have seen anger directed at me it amounted to people who did not really care about me and friends around me. These people were angry because they did not get their own selfish way.  I cannot think of a single case of anger that ever resulted in a positive result. People that get angry are firebugs that cause forest fires behind them and this results in destructon all along their path. No teacher that i have seen who ever released anger on his/her students ever had respect from those same students. If i had ever done something wrong it was the teachers who appealed to my conscious who won me over. Those 'friends' and 'teachers' who expressed anger only showed a lack of spiritual maturity and eventually disappeared out of my life as people who really had little or no understanding of spirituality nor did they have any genuine concern for those around me and myself.

Often for those who get angry at others it is not enough to gracefully and kindly leave...they have to unleash their revenge, coldness, wrath and anger in the aftermath as well to somehow justify their actions. If we look at their lives we also find anger from others is also around them. This is because it is attracted to them because they themselves express it. So it is double important to not continue to exhibit this destructive emotion.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015 07:59 pm »

hi steve, my peaceful friend   Smiley
there's something unresolved in me to speak on the subject, but i feel you can never completely escape anger
and maybe there are some things that merit an invocation in emotion. i could be wrong... to be angry and to act in anger are two different things i suppose.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2015 12:28 am »

Quote from: oDdDAnG link=topic=2930.msg18099#msg18099to be angry and to act in angerto be angry and to act in anger date=1431449999
hi steve, my peaceful friend   Smiley
there's something unresolved in me to speak on the subject, but i feel you can never completely escape anger
and maybe there are some things that merit an invocation in emotion. i could be wrong... to be angry and to act in anger are two different things i suppose.


hey 'oddey' u make me happy... just to hear from u.

Thanks for the reply. I think you have a good point... to be angry (or have an invocation of emotion.) and to act in anger. We have to be careful about what we direct inward as well as outward.

We can eliminate anger from our behavior patterns though... with a lot of meditation and detached observation. We just think we are these emotions and bodies moving around. The more we meditate, the more we realize that it was just an illusion. Only a frame of reference - these bodies thoughts and emotions... just a lot of desire manifesting in bodies. When those desires are denied we become irritated... we can become angry if we are not careful and observant.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 13, 2015 02:52 am »

Anger Angry is something I struggle with at a deep level.

People through my life who have been mean to me, betrayed my trust or abondoned me with no rational reason (these are possibly inherently irrational actions) have hurt me, and when I think about the negative past experiences in my life, some people make me angry.

But the anger feels deeper still...  perhaps a mixture of experience as an infant that have left a permanent impression in my brain & past karma I have yet to fully let go of, learn and grow from..

Expressions of anger can "stir things up" but never seems to cause change, unless it is by physical force, and that kind of force, even if it has an immediately positive effect for some, sets an example of unintelligent barbarism that does not help ultimately, I feel.

As Neem Karoli Baba once asked Ram Dass, "Can't you see it's all perfect?".

All of the lost souls who have hurt us and others we love, all of the immature, unconscious, irresponsible Humans who cause problems and then put the blame on the ones they hurt or some other convenient scapegoat, all of the selfish people, who hurt the ones they love even more than strangers, but never try to change...

They are all perfect in their imperfection.  If a crocodile eats a cute baby animal, is it cruel?

Anger is a natural Human emotion in many situations, but how we respond to it is the key.

Acting on anger and feeling anger are different things, but if we feel angry for more than a few minutes, we will certainly act on it in some way, even if it's unintentional like "road rage" or blowing up on someone who doesn't have anything to do with the reason I'm angry.


My anger is deep.  A crocodile ate my baby rabbit.  The world does not "seem fair", and the crocodile never apologized or turned itself into the police.

Should I stay angry?  Does it serve me?

Some people who were abused as children become political activists.  They channel this endless stream of anger into some cause they also believe in, for years or half a lifetime before realizing the true source of their rage. 

I was never that angry, and maybe I wasn't "that abused" as a child, but I was abused, and it has made me prone to anger.

What I did, is I tried to "fix" the abuser.  I tried to help my Dad, whose broken mind cause me, him and all of our family much suffering until he passed away when I was 21.  Of course, I couldn't fix him. 

Then I started attracting friends and romantic partners with similar dysfunctional mental-emotional traits to my father, always trying to fix them, help them be more sane, more happy, more productive... always mostly failing and worse, being abused by them as their natural response to my attempt to help.  Can you be mad at a crocodile for biting? 

Once they bite, I feel hurt, then I get angry, which just perpetuates a cycle of negativity. 


The anger, from my perspective, is where things end after a long chain of errors.  To act on the anger will just create more problems, like fighting against quicksand.

So, to all you crocodiles who bite, I love you, and I hope you realize you don't need to bite so much, but I accept that that's what you are prone to do if I get too close to you, so I will love you and respect you from a distance.  No point to me being angry at who you are at this point in your life.  I'd just rather live my life with all my limbs.

Everytime I've bitten any creature with my words out of anger, I felt disappointed in myself, sooner or later.  Angry interactions do not serve me or others, and I want to honor this Life with choices and words that come from a place of Love, not Anger.  And to the people who believe anger is useful and justified, I love you too and wish you well  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 13, 2015 04:59 am »

Anger pisses me off too  Cheesy  Angry  Undecided

Calmness. Only thing that works for me. Most times. Untense the forehead all the way.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 13, 2015 11:08 pm »

I'm not prone to anger, it very rarely affects me.

But I'm prone to more subtle and sinister ways of mulling over real or appearent wrongs I have to tolerate.

In my case, mental discipline given by years of sadhana governs. But Sometimes I think it's better to erupt in anger and then forget about it, rather than keep a magma reservoir into yourself, which is going to erupt in a disastrous way. I understand how people can kill in uncontrollable episodes of wrath. Some of those people suffocated their anger for a while until it got out of control.
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 14, 2015 04:43 am »

Anger Angry is something I struggle with at a deep level.

People through my life who have been mean to me, betrayed my trust or abondoned me with no rational reason (these are possibly inherently irrational actions) have hurt me, and when I think about the negative past experiences in my life, some people make me angry.

But the anger feels deeper still...  perhaps a mixture of experience as an infant that have left a permanent impression in my brain & past karma I have yet to fully let go of, learn and grow from..

Expressions of anger can "stir things up" but never seems to cause change, unless it is by physical force, and that kind of force, even if it has an immediately positive effect for some, sets an example of unintelligent barbarism that does not help ultimately, I feel.

As Neem Karoli Baba once asked Ram Dass, "Can't you see it's all perfect?".

All of the lost souls who have hurt us and others we love, all of the immature, unconscious, irresponsible Humans who cause problems and then put the blame on the ones they hurt or some other convenient scapegoat, all of the selfish people, who hurt the ones they love even more than strangers, but never try to change...

They are all perfect in their imperfection.  If a crocodile eats a cute baby animal, is it cruel?

Anger is a natural Human emotion in many situations, but how we respond to it is the key.

Acting on anger and feeling anger are different things, but if we feel angry for more than a few minutes, we will certainly act on it in some way, even if it's unintentional like "road rage" or blowing up on someone who doesn't have anything to do with the reason I'm angry.


My anger is deep.  A crocodile ate my baby rabbit.  The world does not "seem fair", and the crocodile never apologized or turned itself into the police.

Should I stay angry?  Does it serve me?

Some people who were abused as children become political activists.  They channel this endless stream of anger into some cause they also believe in, for years or half a lifetime before realizing the true source of their rage. 

I was never that angry, and maybe I wasn't "that abused" as a child, but I was abused, and it has made me prone to anger.

What I did, is I tried to "fix" the abuser.  I tried to help my Dad, whose broken mind cause me, him and all of our family much suffering until he passed away when I was 21.  Of course, I couldn't fix him. 

Then I started attracting friends and romantic partners with similar dysfunctional mental-emotional traits to my father, always trying to fix them, help them be more sane, more happy, more productive... always mostly failing and worse, being abused by them as their natural response to my attempt to help.  Can you be mad at a crocodile for biting? 

Once they bite, I feel hurt, then I get angry, which just perpetuates a cycle of negativity. 


The anger, from my perspective, is where things end after a long chain of errors.  To act on the anger will just create more problems, like fighting against quicksand.

So, to all you crocodiles who bite, I love you, and I hope you realize you don't need to bite so much, but I accept that that's what you are prone to do if I get too close to you, so I will love you and respect you from a distance.  No point to me being angry at who you are at this point in your life.  I'd just rather live my life with all my limbs.

Everytime I've bitten any creature with my words out of anger, I felt disappointed in myself, sooner or later.  Angry interactions do not serve me or others, and I want to honor this Life with choices and words that come from a place of Love, not Anger.  And to the people who believe anger is useful and justified, I love you too and wish you well  Smiley

Well it was nice to have u back with us 'kingfisher'. How can we for get your thoughtful posts and threads?

One of the key and essential parts of avoiding anger is to get away from such people as soon as you recognize they are abusive. As adults this is possible. There are many people out there who are healthy human beings who want to be kind to you.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 19, 2015 07:19 pm »

Very good advice Steve.  Probably the best advice.

And yet, still not so easy to follow...

I have one close friend who I got into an argument with a couple of months ago, and we didn't talk until last week.  However, I apologized to him for the ways he felt I was unfair to him, but he did not apologize for anything on his part, despite how full of anger he was towards me, that only upset us both.  I pointed out to him that he's exploded with anger towards other people close to him before and to strangers, but he said in all the cases I mentioned, his anger was justified.

He has a very thoughtful and loving side to him, which is why I've been friends with him, but if he can't apologize for the way he aggressively spoke to me, it makes me feel uncomfortable and not want to talk to him, because I'm afraid it will happen again.



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