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« on: Sep 14, 2010 07:09 pm »

It is a strange thing how some people say we can not put the blame on the past;what was done is done and we must move ahead and forget the past yet we now see this is not true.  Because the Bush administration and the Republicans put into play huge tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and tried to make our country into a oligarchy rather than a democracy.

Now it is quite obvious that the Republicans are still living in the past supporting Bush administration tax cuts for the wealthy while hurting the middle class and the what is left of jobs for the poor.  It amounts to 700 billion dollars of tax breaks for the richest Americans in the United States. While the Democrats and Obama are moving ahead and trying to make this country back into a Democracy. Here again we see a consistent lack of compassion for the common person and a consistent support of a government supporting the richest people in this country by the Republicans. A party stuck in the past that supports the division of the classes into rich and poor.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 14, 2010 08:14 pm »

I can see someone is having political discussions withdrawals, lol !  Grin And you were doing soooo good !
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 04, 2010 12:10 am »

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no 'blame' should be laid upon the past.  only learning should happen.  laying blame ... is action wasted...learning is action that fuels soul to progress. 

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 04, 2010 02:21 am »

actually...i edit that last post....yes ?  laying blame...is lesson..and take note of it,,,to be used at a 'later date'.

it is not wasted time...i maybe mis-spoke.  or worded incorrectly

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 04, 2010 09:13 am »

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It is a strange thing how some people say we can not put the blame on the past

no 'blame' should be laid upon the past.  only learning should happen.  laying blame ... is action wasted...learning is action that fuels soul to progress. 

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That would be fine if indeed we have learned but it does not seem so. So who is to blame for those who have not learned? We need not blame but we can identify who has created and continues to perpetuate the problem: When the injustice continues. If we do not identify the problem then many continue to suffer needlessly. i did not place the blame. But others have told me that one should not put the blame on the past. Not blame. Just the solution to a problem that continues to exist since the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

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« Reply #5 on: Oct 04, 2010 04:55 pm »

well for right now....hopefully many of those who are benefitting from this,,,,are donating more to charities.  there are many good ones who are benefitting...and i know of some of them...and they are giving-donating all the more.  let them be role model for the others.

there are many ones here in michigan...who are giving support to schools around detroit area.  _/\_
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 04, 2010 09:02 pm »

well for right now....hopefully many of those who are benefitting from this,,,,are donating more to charities.  there are many good ones who are benefitting...and i know of some of them...and they are giving-donating all the more.  let them be role model for the others.

there are many ones here in michigan...who are giving support to schools around detroit area.  _/\_

There are always kind people in the higher classes and the lower classes. i have met many kind people with very little money who are helping the world be a better world and there are generous rich people as well. The point is that these tax cuts for the rich have made the middle class increasingly non-existent and have made the wealthy much more wealthy. Who stands to benefit the most from the Republicans tax cuts? It is the rich. This country was once a great country with diversity. Now we see it becoming more and more a country of two classes; the rich and poor. To ignore this is too ignore the reality of the suffering in this material world. All one has to do is look to the state you live in Anne. There are many people  who would like to work and can not find jobs. The rich continue to invest in jobs in China with their huge tax breaks. China is a country that is notoriously cruel to dissenters and spiritual people.While there are just not enough jobs to go around in this country. Eliminating huge tax breaks to the rich would help have an economically fairer society. If we are to have huge tax breaks why not for the lower classes? So they at least can live with dignity.

Amma has said that if you see difficult karma that other people have consider it your karma to help them. It is a spiritual law that unless we are compassionate towards others we can not expect to expand our own consciousness and we will be limited in our own circumstances and life. We will often find that there is never a good timing for us.

As an after thought; This is not directed at any person but applies to anyone reading it including myself. We are all limited in some ways in seeing ourselves as human and not divine. It is for us/me to continue with our introspection to see just how we can return back to our divine conscouisness.

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« Reply #7 on: Oct 06, 2010 08:07 am »

ha... don't let the dance of duality draw us too tightly in her Maya dance... else it binds us tight to ego consciousness, allowing mist of Avidya to condense about us... ?

politics, economics, they come and go...  the divine breeze comes subtle and sure...  ?

We enjoy many freedoms, and opportunity to live simply within our means, and commune evermore with our beloved...  the world shall step in pace with the Yugas and Maya, while the little devotee need not...  we may NOT Change the World, yet we may make a Difference by changing our selfs ?   A singular resonating Self (as Soul) sends vibrations throughout the Creation, Cosmos, even moreso than any outward activism.   Meanwhile, we play our role... remain engaged, vote, yet the world shall pass us by in it's relative vibratory whir and hum...   never let anger, fear, or such enter Heart.   All is duality, it must be in the Maya Play.  ?

---- namaste, and understanding for the many roles of compassion we each play -- diverse...   yet simply we share and laugh...    ?

(these are light words, please read and discard... and laugh).

Move over rover and let Namaste2All take over! Blusie Nova reminded me of this (thanks both of you): We are in war in America today and Paramahana Yogananda made this observation: "Wars are brought about not by fateful divine action but by widespread material selfishness." Are we experiencing this much darkness around us? 'don't let the dance of duality draw us too tightly in her Maya dance'

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« Reply #8 on: Oct 10, 2010 09:59 pm »

... that duality... ever so easy to muddle, and make us chase... then sanity even alludes, little less peace, or oscillations stilled enough to regain essence...

of these wars,...  so difficult as within even simple action are myriad kernal and flowering reasons the action occurs...  some guileless, while others very sublime guile (hidden motive)...     does noble purposes and intents outweigh those of negation ?    For simple deed actions this is complex... so how are we to consider societal and cross societal earthly concerns and mass societal actions -- (i.e. - like war interventions, etc.) ?

we may say dove, and no war is justified...    but are there no innocents lost if we stand by and watch madmen full of negation destroy masses of human lives ?    Is there a balance to be struck ?   Were the early founders of United States of America justified in moving to armed confrontation with the British Crown ?   How does history balance all these in the Divine Lila Play ?

Although many intent may be wrong in starting war, the end result may be that joke is on us... could end up that it throws everything up in air, and then when settles, the societies are drawn closer to God and more in harmony with their "Age" ?    Intent of Iraq could be argued, but it is entirely possible that regardless of intent, it was just way for Lila Play to shake things up, even create CONTRAST to wake us and others up...   

in my years, mostly thinking of middle School and High School there were times that FORCE (actually simply FIRM STAND for TRUTH) occurred in order to protect innocent from bullies...    this is microcosm, but in the world seems difficult not to at time take actions that may mean physical force...

Even Gandhi was on battlefield carrying wounded British off battlefield (Bohr war in south africa, and seems another war)... and then even went out on a recruiting campaign to get Indian's to go to war (armed) for the British.   Actually, in the Bohr war Gandhi had first sought Indians to be provided arms to fight in combat, but this made British nervous or something, and they settled on letting the British see their bravery as ambulance, etc.    During this time, it seems the Hindu was viewed by British as NOT a warrior class... warrior was typically reserved in British mind as a trait of other sects... so in this regard early in Gandhi's years of South Africa , and then in India he accepted a concept of armed conflict (to gain British respect as equals in the Empire)... this stance fluxed over his years... onto his most robust versions of ahimsa non-violence.

Now don't beat this discussion too much, but interesting that history again and again shows that the state of human affairs, in matters of right and just action are not directly visible outwardly in Spiritual reasoning... sometimes it is just DUTY...  as the Gita discusses...

We would be hard pressed in some circumstances if we did not have those willing to die (and even take life) to protect the balance ?   or easily also argued it is an illusion to believe so...

Point is so easy to see either side in the vacuum of a single perspective, or from the long-term historical context of HUMAN DRAMA...

again joke is on us -- thanks to Sister Maya... 

i can understand the duality involved in such social concerns. We often have to be observant of being 'pulled into the drama' with our views. Interesting topic. But i am not sure how you meant it to tie in with tax breaks for the wealthy. As you know Obama continues to support our troops and the war in Afghanastan but this has nothing to do with his effort to abolish tax breaks for the rich. i suppose that many of our concerns just kind of come out of karmic memories. We gain understanding by going thru such experiences. Often we feel 'compelled' to relate our new found wisdom.....

Jitendra

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« Reply #9 on: Apr 23, 2014 10:46 am »

Years ago people at the time many people we're complaining about the welfare state when in fact the biggest welfare has been for the wealthy. At the time I could forsee the loss of jobs because of robotics and technology. This would inevitably squeeze out the working class and leave millions impoverished while the gap between the rich and poor grew wider and an ogligarchy would result. I predicted this back over 30 years ago.

It was evident to me when Ronald Reagan talked about the trickle down theory. It would be out of taste to tell you what really trickled down. The tax breaks he gave to corporate America and to the wealthy were the beginning of a long shift in Republicans out looks to a shift from a democracy to an oligarchy. A shift to corporate America and from "We the people" to "We the corporations" and "We the wealthy."
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