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« on: Apr 01, 2014 11:35 pm »

If you listen to this whole video, and follow his argument closely and without biased, you will never be bothered again by people making such arguments. Really think on it. Consider what he has to say. Be honest and sincere. Don't dismiss him immediately and don't be reactive towards him. This is one of the best researched arguments against yoga you will ever hear from a Christian. He has a really nice book collection and some nice facial expressions to go with it.

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« Reply #1 on: Apr 02, 2014 02:14 am »

April fools joke right?
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 02, 2014 03:02 am »

Maybe God is playing April fools? Ya know, I didn't even think of it being April Fools Day when I posted this. Eerie!  Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 02, 2014 07:10 am »

Hey Brockly take us down the convoluted path of your mind.
Every step you take every move you make I'll be watching you.


It's a very ancient saying
But a true and honest thought
That if you become a teacher
By your pupils you'll be taught

As a teacher I've been learning
You'll forgive me if I boast
And I've now become an expert
On the subject I like most

Getting to know you

Getting to know you
Getting to know all about you
Getting to like you
Getting to hope you like me

Getting to know you
Putting it my way
But nicely
You are precisely
My cup of tea

Getting to know you
Getting to know all about you
Getting to like you
Getting to hope you like me

Getting to know you
Putting it my way
But nicely
You are precisely

My cup of tea

Getting to know you
Getting to feel free and easy
When I am with you
Getting to know what to say

Haven't you noticed
Suddenly I'm bright and breezy?
Because of all the beautiful and new


this one goes out to you Brockly

from Alfie

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« Reply #4 on: Apr 02, 2014 02:36 pm »

May be God is playing April fools? Ya know, I didn't even think of it being April Fools Day when I posted this. Eerie!  Cheesy



DSM-IV psychiatric diagnosis of "Not Otherwise Specified,"  Grin


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KOOKY ...In the interest of God and Country part of your comments were deleted: The Supreme Authority of Mice.

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« Reply #5 on: Apr 02, 2014 04:29 pm »

If someone comes to your door like this: The first thing to ask him is if he himself has any experience with meditation... not likely. Since all he can do is quote bible passages that only seem to say something he wants to believe. We could easily qoute Bible passages that say what we believe as well. Perhaps he should spend sometime reading other books from other religions that were here far before anything he read.

You see Brock the reason I feel it is a waste of time to talk to such people about their view of the Bible is because to them there is only one book that tells the truth about God and that is the truth that they have found for themselves. That truth is not the same truth that I have found by my own experience of the truth. Not something I read and something I think I understand but something i have experienced and put into practice. Yes, most of us, including myself, have plenty of room to improve. But the problem here is this: These people already think they know. It is only their thinking that is limiting their experience of spirituality.

So you see your quote by Ramana Maharshi at the top of the forum says it all.

Most of us have a lot of very complex karma from the past. That is why we bring such people into our immediate environment.
Now we must untangle all those knots we have created. When we master our reactions to these scenarios they will mysteriously
disappear from our lives or they themselves will change as our attitude towards them does.

You will waste your time with endless debates with such people. It is best to realize that there are all levels of spirituality. You cannot make someone who has not mastered basic mathmatics understand geometry and so it is with spirituality: You cannot expect a young soul to have the wisdom of an old one.

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« Reply #6 on: Apr 02, 2014 07:35 pm »

Contradiction and taking things out of context can happen with any belief, argument, discussion, what have you.

Some people can make others believe it's black when it's really white. They're that good. Like a lawyer.

It's too bad there are so many opinions on truth. Kinda bothers me.


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« Reply #7 on: Apr 02, 2014 11:22 pm »

Maybe God is playing April fools? Ya know, I didn't even think of it being April Fools Day when I posted this. Eerie!  Cheesy

Perhaps he is tryin' to lighten up things a bit. I faced many of these people in my life. Even had to leave them (grandparents) because they wanted to make us into their christian image. So you could say i have some sympathy and understanding about where you are coming from.

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« Reply #8 on: Apr 03, 2014 02:13 am »

It's too bad there are so many opinions on truth. Kinda bothers me.

I appreciate your honesty. You have to understand why it bothers you. You see, the fact that you believe what you do bothers them just the same way that it bothers you. That is the true reason for their endless campaigns - because they are also bothered. Why is this? It is because two forms of learning do not agree. But learning is memory, an accumulation of the past. It is borrowed from some source. The term vedas has a great meaning; it means "the end of knowledge". It is because we don't see directly for ourselves that we cling to our knowledge. Memorizing and convincing oneself with a form of borrowed knowledge creates conflict with those who have memorized a different body of knowledge. The one commonality is that it is non-existential. Both are lost in thinking about it. They are out of touch with their own experience. When you flee from your own experience into "knowledge" you have entered the thinking, believing mind. When you look for yourself, from exactly where you stand, you have insight. And when you function from insight, mind games cease to trouble you the same way.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 03, 2014 04:26 am »

Brock, I think you're reading too much into what I said, but I appreciate your thoughtful response, I understand what you mean.

I just meant bothersome like mildly annoying, distracting, etc.,

It only bothers me to the point that I must summon precious will power to dismiss it.
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 03, 2014 04:28 am »

And BTW, you seem to have a lot of friends here, ^ I didn't realize you were that popular.
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 03, 2014 04:29 am »

AND I just went over 100 posts, which means I am now labeled a "full" member.

Full in what way?

Do I get a prize?
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 05, 2014 11:02 am »

It's too bad there are so many opinions on truth. Kinda bothers me.

I appreciate your honesty. You have to understand why it bothers you. You see, the fact that you believe what you do bothers them just the same way that it bothers you. That is the true reason for their endless campaigns - because they are also bothered. Why is this? It is because two forms of learning do not agree. But learning is memory, an accumulation of the past. It is borrowed from some source. The term vedas has a great meaning; it means "the end of knowledge". It is because we don't see directly for ourselves that we cling to our knowledge. Memorizing and convincing oneself with a form of borrowed knowledge creates conflict with those who have memorized a different body of knowledge. The one commonality is that it is non-existential. Both are lost in thinking about it. They are out of touch with their own experience. When you flee from your own experience into "knowledge" you have entered the thinking, believing mind. When you look for yourself, from exactly where you stand, you have insight. And when you function from insight, mind games cease to trouble you the same way.

Brock I have done some thinking about your video and thread. We do not always have to agree. Perhaps there is something to what you are saying but you see it doesn't bother me - their knowledge. They can have it. But to tell me my experience with meditation is of the devil or I have been decieved... or to come up to me while I am experiencing peace in meditation and stop me.... These things are a waste of time and actually show ignorance. It is hopeless listening to their view of the Bible. The Bible is fine. Yet they use it to the exclusion of any other spiritual book. I can read the Bhagad Vita and get a reinforcing view of yoga.  But the Bhagad Vita was written at a higher time.

It is only his interpretation. These discussions are useless they lead no where. If someone is willing to listen that is one thing. But for most of these people there is only one thing to listen to; their version of the Bible. Let them go Brock. If you have those in your family who try to preach it: Just keep going back to your experiences with meditation. Or better yet:  Do as Yogananda used to do... just say you may be right... you may be right and leave it at that. There is a saying: Those who say do not know and those who know... do not say.
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 05, 2014 12:23 pm »

Steve,

You feel that they should not evangelize to you and that they should respect your beliefs. But again, that is only your opinion and your moral standard. From their point of view they would be doing a wrong thing if they didn't tell the truth to you. And should the truth yield to falsehood? And they believe they have the truth. Why should you be allowed to impose your opinion on them by telling them they shouldn't preach to you and, in that way, force them to do something against their own belief? If they sincerely believe you are going to hell then they have a duty to tell you whether you want to hear it or not. It could even be argued that they have a duty to convert you at all costs. Nothing temporary measure is too small to save someone from an eternity of torture. Even physically torturing you for a limited amount of earth time would fare far better than eternal torture. You see the predicament you have put them in? Also, your notion that there are other books that are good is just your way of thinking. Why should they subscribe to that? Why should they be forced to respect books that, to them, are just falsehoods and causing people to fall into hell?

No one has evangelized to me lately, Steve. But I think you should read my other post again because I think you overlooked much that was in it.

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« Reply #14 on: Apr 05, 2014 01:11 pm »

Steve,

You feel that they should not evangelize to you and that they should respect your beliefs. But again, that is only your opinion and your moral standard. From their point of view they would be doing a wrong thing if they didn't tell the truth to you. And should the truth yield to falsehood? And they believe they have the truth. Why should you be allowed to impose your opinion on them by telling them they shouldn't preach to you and, in that way, force them to do something against their own belief? If they sincerely believe you are going to hell then they have a duty to tell you whether you want to hear it or not. It could even be argued that they have a duty to convert you at all costs. Nothing temporary measure is too small to save someone from an eternity of torture. Even physically torturing you for a limited amount of earth time would fare far better than eternal torture. You see the predicament you have put them in? Also, your notion that there are other books that are good is just your way of thinking. Why should they subscribe to that? Why should they be forced to respect books that, to them, are just falsehoods and causing people to fall into hell?

No one has evangelized to me lately, Steve. But I think you should read my other post again because I think you overlooked much that was in it.

  Cool and I will try to return your phone call today

You may be right.. you may be right.. now I have my own duties.  Grin
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