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« on: May 09, 2014 11:08 pm »

Recently I have spoke with Brock about experiences we have from life and meditation. He brought up a sound track of Ram Dass in which he states that as long as we seek after experiences we will come back to this life. There is nothing there when experiences are gone. What of consciousness though? Are we not still conscious?

Sometimes the semantics of language helps us understand ourselves. In this case i would say there are times that one is conscious though not identified with that consciousness. A state of consciousness may be there and the experiencer slipped out the back door.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2014 08:38 pm »

Recently I have spoke with Brock about experiences we have from life and meditation. He brought up a sound track of Ram Dass in which he states that as long as we seek after experiences we will come back to this life. There is nothing there when experiences are gone. What of consciousness though? Are we not still conscious?

Sometimes the semantics of language helps us understand ourselves. In this case i would say there are times that one is conscious though not identified with that consciousness. A state of consciousness may be there and the experiencer slipped out the back door.

A "pure" state of consciousness, possibly achieved through deep meditation, seems like it would have either "no experience" or "all experience" involved, as it would be consciousness entering a state beyond time and space limitations.

My experiences are definitely the main thing I am conscious of and usually focused on.
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2014 09:22 am »

There are certain ironies and paradoxes. This is one of them. Another case in point: When enlightenment occurs, the person who was trying to achieve it will not be there. The "you" and "me" that are desiring and hoping for these states are an obstacle to them and will be seen as illusory. What can you say? It is a kind of paradox.

In certain Samadhi states, the experiencer and the thing being experienced are not distinguished. However, it wouldn't be right to say that experiences aren't valuable at all. Because, for the common man, even having "no experience" is still an experience. In other words, not being established in non-alternating Samadhi, he can't claim to be beyond the need for experiences. Therefore, "refined" experiences are still of value. The point is just to not take them as ultimate states without ever going beyond them.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2014 04:36 pm »

There are certain ironies and paradoxes. This is one of them. Another case in point: When enlightenment occurs, the person who was trying to achieve it will not be there. The "you" and "me" that are desiring and hoping for these states are an obstacle to them and will be seen as illusory. What can you say? It is a kind of paradox.

In certain Samadhi states, the experiencer and the thing being experienced are not distinguished. However, it wouldn't be right to say that experiences aren't valuable at all. Because, for the common man, even having "no experience" is still an experience. In other words, not being established in non-alternating Samadhi, he can't claim to be beyond the need for experiences. Therefore, "refined" experiences are still of value. The point is just to not take them as ultimate states without ever going beyond them.

I am in a state of Samadhi all the time and there is no experience  Tongue  .... got it.  Cool
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