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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2014 05:10 am »

The time comes when the fascination with the messenger has to give way to the message itself. We have to internalize what is being said to us, understand what is being taught, and discover its truth or falsehood for ourselves. It is not enough anymore to sit in awe of others. We have to uncover our own truths.

We must not be content to turn masters and gurus into hero projections or commodities for consumption, or bask forever in their reflected glory.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2014 10:34 am »

The time comes when the fascination with the messenger has to give way to the message itself. We have to internalize what is being said to us, understand what is being taught, and discover its truth or falsehood for ourselves. It is not enough anymore to sit in awe of others. We have to uncover our own truths.

We must not be content to turn masters and gurus into hero projections or commodities for consumption, or bask forever in their reflected glory.

..... and what truths have you uncovered recently my friend?
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2014 10:42 am »

the one I just shared..
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2014 10:50 am »

the one I just shared..

and having done that what is the result of such internalization of for instance Gurdjeff's life and teachings since you originally brought his name up with a tube chop link.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2014 11:02 am »

I didn't bring up his name. I posted a video clip where his name was mentioned somewhere. The video clip was about how we are all comprised of many different selves. You often hear people talk about another "side" to somebodies personality. That is a commonplace way of saying the same thing.

The fragmented psyche. It's not a cause for blame, but just something to be aware of. We can't expect people to be totally consistent, keep promises, or be reliable in any way so long as they are still fragmented psyches. Also, so long as we are still fragmented in our psyches, we can't even expect ourselves to be reliable nor can we expect to be able to keep promises to ourselves or live up to our own expectations. Because one part of the psyche makes the promise and another part of the psyche is left trying to keep it.

The same thing is with guilt and regret. We feel guilty when we act out of a fragmented psyche. Because one part of us wanted to go one way, and another part of us wanted to go the other. We weren't total in our act.

Integrating one's psyche is not necessarily easy as pie. But awareness of one's fragmentation is a good place to start.

So, I posted this in the thread that was discussing lovers who have left. I wanted to shed some light on the issue of why lovers seem to promise you the sun and moon only to disappear without a trace. A part of them really did mean it, but it was the other parts of them that were sectioned off who eventually surfaced and had their own business to attend to.

So...to answer your question...I am aware of fragmented aspects of my psyche. I am aware that there are parts of myself that are not integrated. There may be more even than I am aware of. But that which I am aware itself feels like a challenge.
 
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2014 11:15 am »

My realization from  this clip is this: people mistakenly believe they must make black/white decisions. It really does not have to be that definitive. Life has many variables. We need not attend to just one 'business to attend to'' as you put it. Perhaps we are not even meant to make life so one dimensional. Yet seeing people do this we gain a barometer reading of their spiritual consciousness. Fragmented people in our lives become synonymous with a fragmented consciousness. Eventually we gravitate towards those souls who reflect our own conscious awareness but we do not have to cut ourselves off from others we love and who have loved us.We may even learn to make less promises and clarify our promises as a result of changing circumstances.

i am presenting another approach to the challenges we often face. There are many creative choices we have available to us . The problem is that quite often people can not integrate changing circumstances into set patterns of life decisions.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2014 11:49 am »

I'm not following you...
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2014 02:36 pm »

I'm not following you...

Nomaste when i get a chance i will listen to the clip you gave again and quote her so that it may be more obvious.
Good clip!

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2014 03:11 pm »

My realization from  this clip is this: people mistakenly believe they must make black/white decisions. It really does not have to be that definitive. Life has many variables. We need not attend to just one 'business to attend to'' as you put it. Perhaps we are not even meant to make life so one dimensional. Yet seeing people do this we gain a barometer reading of their spiritual consciousness. Fragmented people in our lives become synonymous with a fragmented consciousness. Eventually we gravitate towards those souls who reflect our own conscious awareness but we do not have to cut ourselves off from others we love and who have loved us.We may even learn to make less promises and clarify our promises as a result of changing circumstances.

i am presenting another approach to the challenges we often face. There are many creative choices we have available to us . The problem is that quite often people can not integrate changing circumstances into set patterns of life decisions.

What do you think I am trying to say?

I was commenting on the video you posted. Most people give up too easily. Sometimes we need space with others but all too often this means giving up permanently and moving on to a different source of excitement or going back to the familiarity of the past. The challenges that face the present are there as part of our karma and learning experiences brought about by the divine plan for our growth. When we give up or turn our back on them we will only face them again in new faces and circumstances. Better to admit we make mistakes and try our best with what faces us. When others around us give up and move on it becomes recognizable that we are victorious since we did not. One never fails till they have given up. There is a great irony about the falling out of friendships and relationships: quite often those who leave only verify that they themselves are left with the karma. Because those who are left with the vacuum from that loss have space to let higher forms of relationships enter their lives.

This post was not meant personally at you unless of course it applies. It is too soon to make that sort of evaluation.This post is the result of a life time of encounters in relationships with friends. Hope this clears up things a bit Brock.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2014 06:02 pm »

When others around us give up and move on it becomes recognizable that we are victorious since we did not. One never fails till they have given up. There is a great irony about the falling out of friendships and relationships: quite often those who leave only verify that they themselves are left with the karma. Because those who are left with the vacuum from that loss have space to let higher forms of relationships enter their lives.

This post was not meant personally at you unless of course it applies. It is too soon to make that sort of evaluation.This post is the result of a life time of encounters in relationships with friends. Hope this clears up things a bit Brock.
I disagree with your statement. Giving up and Moving on aren't the same thing.. Separation is sometimes an appropriate action. It also seems there's a lot of energy in analyzing the other person and his/her actions... I thought life wasn't so black and white. You can not define another persons morality and understanding when you are not that person. If one is open and or receptive then I'm sure God will find a way to bless that person. Even if that person is the one that decided to end the relationship with you. Moving on is not the same as giving up.
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2014 09:16 pm »

Yes sometimes separation is the only answer. Although
what I have seen is quite different. People who were close who end relationships, not out of abuse, but rather out of not having certain desires fullfilled or not having things go according to their preconcieved ideas. This is
an abuse of friendship and is clearly seen when people leave long term relationships out of spite. The spite is clear when you make an effort to be friendly and you are treated abusively.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2014 10:42 pm »

If a person is fragmented, their friendship can only ever be partial. The part can never command the whole. Sooner or later, the persons "other selves" will manifest and pull them in different directions.

This is what I am suggesting we consider about relationships.

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