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« on: May 30, 2014 07:19 pm »

What Is The Root Cause Of Suffering?

Life is suffering, this is the teaching of the Buddha. Why is it suffering? It must be that something makes this suffering. Yes, it is true; it is something rooted within, and when it is activated, it bursts out and gives rise to the fruit of suffering. Then we ask “What is the root of suffering?” The answer which the Buddha himself gave, in Itivuttaka, is that the root of suffering is desire, which consists of three roots; greed, hatred and delusion. If the roots of suffering are eliminated, life can be extremely happy.

What is next when the roots are already known? The answer is, to learn the method which can get rid of them and apply this method in life. What is the method mentioned? It is the purification of the mind. Why purify the mind? Because it is a producer which can create everything from small to big, so greed, hatred and delusion try to conquer some parts of the mind, or the whole of it. If the mind is pure, nothing can take root in it; as the Buddha said in Dhammapada, “Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with a pure mind a person speaks or acts, happiness follows him like his never-departing shadow”. Take good care of your mind, then your life will be safe.


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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2014 12:37 am »

Isn't it wonderful to know that any desire we have will someday be fullfilled? Or is it...since fulfilled desires quite often reveal  a host of new desires. Often the mind manifests our desires thru temporary fulfilled desires in others. We vicariously satisfy our own desires. We are able to see clearly the desires within us through these experiences. I call them cream dreams since they have not yet manifested on the physical but are waiting on the horizon as if to tease us in a wry smile. A cosmic joke  perhaps. An ironical contrivance  from the future we have plugged into that will one day materialize if we continue to desire such things.
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 04, 2014 05:47 am »

It is good to know what we want and to be reminded sometimes through dreams.

It is also good to allow what we want to change shape as we grow and learn new things about ourselves and others in this World we are all a part of.
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 05, 2014 11:08 pm »

It is good to know what we want and to be reminded sometimes through dreams.

It is also good to allow what we want to change shape as we grow and learn new things about ourselves and others in this World we are all a part of.

yea and to expect the unexpected!! Just about the time you think you got it figured out it will change on you!
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 27, 2014 04:30 am »

What Is The Root Cause Of Suffering?

Life is suffering, this is the teaching of the Buddha. Why is it suffering? It must be that something makes this suffering. Yes, it is true; it is something rooted within, and when it is activated, it bursts out and gives rise to the fruit of suffering. Then we ask “What is the root of suffering?” The answer which the Buddha himself gave, in Itivuttaka, is that the root of suffering is desire, which consists of three roots; greed, hatred and delusion. If the roots of suffering are eliminated, life can be extremely happy.

What is next when the roots are already known? The answer is, to learn the method which can get rid of them and apply this method in life. What is the method mentioned? It is the purification of the mind. Why purify the mind? Because it is a producer which can create everything from small to big, so greed, hatred and delusion try to conquer some parts of the mind, or the whole of it. If the mind is pure, nothing can take root in it; as the Buddha said in Dhammapada, “Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with a pure mind a person speaks or acts, happiness follows him like his never-departing shadow”. Take good care of your mind, then your life will be safe.


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It is interesting to me that the Buddha mentions purification of the mind. Although in this quote he does not specifically answer how one is able to purify the mind he does say if one speaks and acts with a pure mind happiness will follow. I have found that we can learn much about other people and ourselves by what they/we say and do. We do not have to react or even respond. We can just observe. We are able to express ourselves in and thru many vehicles. We may even share roles. However eventually who we are and what we are becomes apparent. Especially in our words and actions.

Once Sri Yukteswar gave someone (Kumar) in the ashram more authority than Yogananda. The devotee was unhappy because other devotees kept going to Yogananda for advice. Later Sri Yukteswar told him that he wanted to show him that having authority alone is not sufficient to be a leader. In the same way someone can be cast into any role and not be able to play that role effectively. This is a lesson for all of us. (See 'Kumar from the Autobiography' in another thread.)

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« Reply #5 on: Jun 27, 2014 07:36 pm »

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" as long as we have human desires we shall have a human body. Only when we have no more human desires.... we will have no more forced reincarnation in a human body."

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« Reply #6 on: Jun 27, 2014 08:43 pm »

It seems contradictory because you can think that as long as you have a human body, you will have human desires. It's a little tricky, like a Catch-22. It is the body which produces desires for food, sleep, and rest or just the desire to get on the computer. If one eliminates the desire for other things, these basic bodily desires seem to be the bare minimum and all a person has left. At this point, has he transcended his humanity or fallen to the lowest level of it - an apathetic state? So what I am saying is that these types of statements can be confusing.

A person can pretend to not have desires, but does that really do much good? Like Krishna says in the Gita, "What avails mere suppression?" It is easy for us to fall into a pretension of being desireless (because we are building a spiritual persona for ourselves), when really the desires have only been repressed. It seems that we can make progress this way, only by torturing ourselves to the point of realizing that desire can't really be defeated. Desire has to be fulfilled. Fulfilled desire is just another way of saying desirelessness. They are not two different things. The words make you think they are direct opposites but they in fact mean the same thing. This is the paradox of language.

God, we are told, is the true fulfillment of them. But in just being told, we are still not satisfied. So it has to become our own realization.

I may tell you about the satisfaction of a million dollars. You may quote me endlessly on that. You may live through me, and enjoy hearing about it. But it will never be like having those million dollars yourself.

As long as what we really - really really really - want is something besides God, the mind will pursue that consciously or unconsciously.

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« Reply #7 on: Jun 28, 2014 05:52 pm »

It seems contradictory because you can think that as long as you have a human body, you will have human desires. It's a little tricky, like a Catch-22. It is the body which produces desires for food, sleep, and rest or just the desire to get on the computer. If one eliminates the desire for other things, these basic bodily desires seem to be the bare minimum and all a person has left. At this point, has he transcended his humanity or fallen to the lowest level of it - an apathetic state? So what I am saying is that these types of statements can be confusing.

A person can pretend to not have desires, but does that really do much good? Like Krishna says in the Gita, "What avails mere suppression?" It is easy for us to fall into a pretension of being desireless (because we are building a spiritual persona for ourselves), when really the desires have only been repressed. It seems that we can make progress this way, only by torturing ourselves to the point of realizing that desire can't really be defeated. Desire has to be fulfilled. Fulfilled desire is just another way of saying desirelessness. They are not two different things. The words make you think they are direct opposites but they in fact mean the same thing. This is the paradox of language.

God, we are told, is the true fulfillment of them. But in just being told, we are still not satisfied. So it has to become our own realization.

I may tell you about the satisfaction of a million dollars. You may quote me endlessly on that. You may live through me, and enjoy hearing about it. But it will never be like having those million dollars yourself.

As long as what we really - really really really - want is something besides God, the mind will pursue that consciously or unconsciously.


Desire can be fulfilled in various ways not always by physical means. It is an amazing experience to have a spiritual break through when this happens all desire seems to fade away. It is more of a challenge to maintain such experiences. But most of us here do not have to pretend anything. We are very aware of our desires and that awareness brings a need to somehow rise above them or engage in them. Of course we realize that through the process of satisfying such desires we only add new and unsatisfied desires. So in actuality fulfilled desire is not desirelessness; Satiation perhaps. Not desirelessness.

What I see here is someone observing the human condition and some frustration over finding a solution. It is not uncommon. What is a roadblock is to keep going on about it without a solution or the will to do something about it. I have seen this in some friends and myself. It is quite obvious that there are Masters out there who have given us a way out and the means by which to do it so we can keep on going on about the human condition or we can start at the solution and find our freedom. We already know that time is an illusion so we my as well start now. I think that is the main reason that brings us together here. We are all at different levels of discovering our liberation.



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« Reply #8 on: Jun 28, 2014 10:57 pm »

We might as well stick with soliloquies.
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