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« Reply #75 on: Oct 01, 2015 09:33 pm »

Steve, today I did some research on adoption, since I would have half an idea to adopt an African boy or girl.

You should know that, since adopting a child, with so many homeless and familyless children in the world, appears to be a daunting task.

Domestic adoptions in Italy: Demand far outweighs occurred adoptions, in a 10:1 scale. That is, there are 10 times more adoption requests than adoptions given.
So in Italy the situation is really like SI guessed, gay couples would soret of increase a fierce competition (if we can speak so).

Adopting a foreign child is no lesser task.

Costs are high, (from 11K to 44K US$),  times are lenghty, difficulties are numerous. The countries with the highest population, China and India, decreased their adoption availabilities out of national pride ('we can see to our orphans without giving them out to foreign people'). Moreover, children to adopt are often seen as a source of income and foreign contries rise many problems, often asking for more money.

In this crazy world, adopting family less children is a discouraging endeavour, even though there are so many around...
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« Reply #76 on: Oct 01, 2015 09:53 pm »

Check these agencies... they are looking for families for kids; New Beginnings, Adopt US kids.s

The Number of Waiting Children

Each year more than 20,000 children age out of the foster care without being adopted. Today there are 102,000 children in foster care waiting to be adopted ranging in age from less than a year old to 21. This is only in the United States. Should I look further to see how many are looking for homes world wide?

As I have said before there are too many people in this world. The more gay and childless couples the better.  If we could double or triple these two groups it would help population explodion tremendously.They can adopt the tens of thousands available in the U.S. alone. The more and more traditional families and Hetrosexual marriages the more destruction to enviroment, urban sprawl, increase of property value and inequality in wealth distribution. The less people the more land prices go down and social justice returns. I am afraid to even find out how many children have no homes in the rest of the world. Why is it so expensive to adopt? Because the fruits of labor are mostly going into the hands of an extremely small group of people in the world leaving those who want children penniless.
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« Reply #77 on: Oct 01, 2015 11:57 pm »

Check these agencies... they are looking for families for kids; New Beginnings, Adopt US kids.s

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Each year more than 20,000 children age out of the foster care without being adopted. Today there are 102,000 children in foster care waiting to be adopted ranging in age from less than a year old to 21. This is only in the United States. Should I look further to see how many are looking for homes world wide?

.....Why is it so expensive to adopt? Because the fruits of labor are mostly going into the hands of an extremely small group of people in the world leaving those who want children penniless.

Steve, as far as I see it, adoption is a business. Private agencies have an interest to encourage applications for adoption. No matter the outcome, they are going to make money out of it anyway. Again, as far as I know it, in Italy it is very difficult to adopt children and more applications (coming from gay couples) would make it even harder.

I agree that people would be wealthier if wealth would be more distributed. Fact is that adoption expenses are presently such to discourage adoption in many cases. In the latest years frequency of adoptions in Italy has dropped significantly.
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« Reply #78 on: Oct 02, 2015 12:16 am »

Still going to have a good number of gay couples that want a surrogate mother, or father, so the numbers of kids up for adoption may not decrease or increase.
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« Reply #79 on: Oct 02, 2015 12:18 am »

Forcing churches to marry guys appears unlikely to me as well, but that is a point raised by Spirit Image, not myself. It may be that SI's concern is unrealistic, because of constitution and because of more practical ways to get married within gays: state marriage and favourable churches as you cite.

It may also be that SI's concern was caused by other realistic reasonings, which I cannot guess at the moment. What about it, SI?

As I said I just copied and paste, not my thoughts really. But I do believe that while you can't physically force a church to marry gays, you can make it difficult for them if they don't.
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« Reply #80 on: Oct 02, 2015 01:14 am »

Still going to have a good number of gay couples that want a surrogate mother, or father, so the numbers of kids up for adoption may not decrease or increase.

However u would have many more children from traditional families. Less then 1% of children come from gay families. With this information we should encourage untraditional marriages.
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« Reply #81 on: Oct 02, 2015 01:27 am »

I'm guilty of posting links too, but you have to ask yourself:

It's not that I believe that web page or not, but I could whip up a web page like that in no time and plop numbers in there that I want, maybe even make mistakes. It's very trivial.

I have to sit back and now think about where I get my numbers from.
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« Reply #82 on: Oct 02, 2015 01:29 am »

I'm guilty of posting links too, but you have to ask yourself:

It's not that I believe that web page or not, but I could whip up a web page like that in no time and plop numbers in there that I want, maybe even make mistakes. It's very trivial.

I have to sit back and now think about where I get my numbers from.

Numberes or no numbers... it is obvious where the population problems come from.
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« Reply #83 on: Oct 02, 2015 02:20 am »

Is it?
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« Reply #84 on: Oct 02, 2015 03:30 am »

Is it?

Without a doubt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

Non traditional and gay marriages and relationships have not been the major thrust of over population. They have been taboo and generally frowned upon in the last few hundred years as traditional marriage has destroyed and inundated our planet with people. (see chart link above.) It would be much much better to have unconventional life styles for the preservation of our planet, the environment and less crime etc. Experiments have been conducted with animals. When they are forced in over populated conditions they bite and fight with one another. That is why crime has increased so much. Over population which is a direct result of traditional values and morality.

I would like to add something here Jeff. I see nothing wrong with letting others live the way they want including those who have traditional views on marriage. What i do not understand is the lack of tolerance traditionalists have for people with different life styles... whatever they may be. Why is it that people must make others into their own image? There are people who live differently. They may even be more helpful in their lifestyles. But there is always some one out there trying to tell others how to live. They cannot leave well enough alone. That is what I see as the fundamental point of this thread.
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« Reply #85 on: Oct 02, 2015 09:32 am »

 
Steve, today I did some research on adoption, since I would have half an idea to adopt an African boy or girl.

You should know that, since adopting a child, with so many homeless and familyless children in the world, appears to be a daunting task.

Adopting a foreign child is no lesser task.

Costs are high, (from 11K to 44K US$),  times are lenghty, difficulties are numerous. The countries with the highest population, China and India, decreased their adoption availabilities out of national pride ('we can see to our orphans without giving them out to foreign people'). Moreover, children to adopt are often seen as a source of income and foreign contries rise many problems, often asking for more money.

In this crazy world, adopting family less children is a discouraging endeavour, even though there are so many around...

i think it is great that u are thinking about adopting mccoy. I thought u were very busy and found little time to meditate as it is. But it would certainly be a kind act. I did find some sites on the internet for adoption in India should you be interested.

Steve



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« Reply #86 on: Oct 02, 2015 11:56 am »

Steve, my fast foray into the world of adoption was caused by my wife wanting to give a sibling to my autistic son. Presently, a natural child might be borne with medical treatment, but with a significant likelyhood of serious health problems.

Anyway, the foray was fast and not encouraging, objectively speaking.

I'd rather have as a guest in my hous a young African teenager than go thru the ordeal of foreign adoption. As you say, I'm already too busy as it is now.

Why African? I don't know, I lived there pretty recently evidently, having a blacker-then-coal skin,lol. Indian would do as well of course.

In Italy, you have to go thru certified adoption agencies, so should I wish to adopt an Indian child I should first seek a certified (by the state) agency which has official relationships with Indian orphanages and institutions. Of course, first I should apply for adoption to the local Court, being assessed sometimes brutally by the social staff of local agencies. If the judge so decides, I would be declared fit to adopt. then I would have to pay a few thousand dollars to the above certified agency, start the procedure, which requires from 2 to 5 years, go to India a few times, staying with the child, deal with local agencies, which most likely will try to get more money out of you. Many times families are desperate to have a child, so they are going to pay no matter what. I don't know if the procedure is simpler in your cloneland.
The little orphans become often an item of barter.

As I've said before, this is a crazy world where giving a home to homeless children appears to be an exhausting ordeal.
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« Reply #87 on: Oct 02, 2015 09:46 pm »

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I'm not sure that convinces me where the population problems come from.

On a side note, not sure where any of that data is being pulled from and maintained by. But I suppose we trust it to be good enough.


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Why is it that people must make others into their own image? There are people who live differently. But there is always some one out there trying to tell others how to live.


And 2 men holding hands and kissing in front of my daughter is also them telling me how to live, is it not? What happened to my rights? (Remember I don't have a dog in this race)
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« Reply #88 on: Oct 06, 2015 07:31 pm »

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I'm not sure that convinces me where the population problems come from.

On a side note, not sure where any of that data is being pulled from and maintained by. But I suppose we trust it to be good enough.


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Why is it that people must make others into their own image? There are people who live differently. But there is always some one out there trying to tell others how to live.


And 2 men holding hands and kissing in front of my daughter is also them telling me how to live, is it not? What happened to my rights? (Remember I don't have a dog in this race)

This seems to b quite an important subject  to u! Almost as important as population explosion is to me.  Grin
In answer to your statement about things happening in front of your daughter....I would say there are places not to take her if you are concerned. Particularly areas of Los Angeles where I have lived. You quickly become desensitized because it is all around u. But i would concur with u about one thing. Modesty is a spiritual quality. This applies to behavior expressed by everyone... not just gays.
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« Reply #89 on: Oct 06, 2015 07:35 pm »

This seems to b quite an important subject  to u! Almost as important as population explosion is to me.  Grin
In answer to your statement about things happening in front of your daughter....I would say there are places not to take her if you are concerned. Particularly areas of Los Angeles where I have lived. You quickly become desensitized because it is all around u. But i would concur with u about one thing. Modesty is a spiritual quality. This applies to behavior expressed by everyone... not just gays.

It would seem important to all here, on other spiritual forums, and most everyone, no?

Sure we all must behave especially in public situations.

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