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« on: Jun 14, 2014 12:25 am »

Galactic friends. I have meditated many times thru the years and have been accosted by Christians feeling they should 'set me straight'. It can be frustrating if you are in an absorbed state. I do not think Americans can even get a grasp of how Christianity has shaped our culture. In many ways it has been extremely destructive. Just one example: Think of how much more i/we could have learned from eastern cosmology if we had not been overwhelmed by Christian dogmatism.

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« Reply #1 on: Jun 14, 2014 01:28 am »

Yes, you would be steeped in Eastern dogmatism.

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« Reply #2 on: Jun 14, 2014 01:51 am »

Yes, you would be steeped in Eastern dogmatism.

It is nice to have you with us zap. I do not think what you are saying is true. I feel i would have spent much more time assimilating the essene and gnostic gospels and listened to many more of the early church fathers if it had not been for much negative Christian doctrines in my youth and the annihilation of gnostic and essene influences by conventional Christianity.

By the way I thought I would mention to you zap. You brought up Adam and Eve as an example for heterosexual marriage. What you did not say is how Adam and Eve continued to have offspring since both of them had no females. Because God created man and woman is no sign that he was against same sex marriage. It only signifies he created two sexes.

The Bible is full of contradictions and deletions. It becomes more and more apparent as one is 'preached to' about it. My view is that our culture is extremely out of balance in religious understanding compared to for instance people from India. Most people in the United States are extremely brain washed by Christian religious dogma.

I have appreciated your contributions from Ram Das who is quite an exception to my generalizations.

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« Reply #3 on: Jun 14, 2014 02:24 am »

Yes, you would be steeped in Eastern dogmatism.

It is nice to have you with us zap. I do not think what you are saying is true. I feel i would have spent much more time assimilating the essene and gnostic gospels and listened to many more of the early church fathers if it had not been for much negative Christian doctrines in my youth and the annihilation of gnostic and essene influences by conventional Christianity.

By the way I thought I would mention to you zap. You brought up Adam and Eve as an example for heterosexual marriage. What you did not say is how Adam and Eve continued to have offspring since both of them had no females. Because God created man and woman is no sign that he was against same sex marriage. It only signifies he created two sexes.

The Bible is full of contradictions and deletions. It becomes more and more apparent as one is 'preached to' about it. My view is that our culture is extremely out of balance in religious understanding compared to for instance people from India. Most people in the United States are extremely brain washed by Christian religious dogma.

I have appreciated your contributions from Ram Das who is quite an exception to my generalizations.

Jitendra

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« Reply #4 on: Jun 14, 2014 02:37 am »

Yes, you would be steeped in Eastern dogmatism.

It is nice to have you with us zap. I do not think what you are saying is true. I feel i would have spent much more time assimilating the essene and gnostic gospels and listened to many more of the early church fathers if it had not been for much negative Christian doctrines in my youth and the annihilation of gnostic and essene influences by conventional Christianity.

By the way I thought I would mention to you zap. You brought up Adam and Eve as an example for heterosexual marriage. What you did not say is how Adam and Eve continued to have offspring since both of them had no females. Because God created man and woman is no sign that he was against same sex marriage. It only signifies he created two sexes.

The Bible is full of contradictions and deletions. It becomes more and more apparent as one is 'preached to' about it. My view is that our culture is extremely out of balance in religious understanding compared to for instance people from India. Most people in the United States are extremely brain washed by Christian religious dogma.

I have appreciated your contributions from Ram Das who is quite an exception to my generalizations.

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« Reply #5 on: Jul 01, 2014 08:29 pm »

Why do so many Christians believe in hell fire and a tribulation? Look at their lives and see. They crave drama. Big drama. People who have drama in their life must also have it in their religion. An end to our world has not taken place since the Christians predicted it in Christ's time nor is it coming any time for a long long time. The notion of a burning everlasting hell only demeans our descriptions of God. Let us move out of fear and towards trust. In many ways this type of Christian dogma has not only hurt Christianity but everyone who has been exposed to it.

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« Reply #6 on: Jul 02, 2014 02:04 am »

What happened to my friend Zap ??
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 02, 2014 03:39 am »

What happened to my friend Zap ??

We were wondering the same thing about you. He met the same fate as hippo and dez. He spontaneously combusted and then morphed.

There also has been resurrection activity. Resurrection can be more life altering.

You might have to administer more liquid purifiers my friend.... for the sake of cosmic justice.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 11, 2014 05:19 am »

This thread is certainly an important one considering that most Christians that have influenced the Western World and now most of the world have believed the Bible without question. These quotes in addition to the ones above give more reasons to look at the Bible and to question it's validity:

The Bible on Women:


Traditional Christianity and St. Paul:  I Timothy 2--that women were created second, sinned first, and should keep silence.


The Bible on polygamy:

Solomon had 700 official wives and 300 concubines....

The Holy Bible 1 Kings 11:1-3

The Bible on slavery:

Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brethren; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. If any one teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing; he has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions... 

-1 TIMOTHY 6:1-4 


Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ.... 

---EPHESIANS 6:5

As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness. 

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« Reply #9 on: Jul 11, 2014 10:16 pm »

Glad to hear you're keeping up with your devotional readings!
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 12, 2014 02:33 am »

Glad to hear you're keeping up with your devotional readings!

One would wonder.... may you go beyond serpent smiles and be awarded with cosmic cracker jacks.
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 12, 2014 08:47 am »

I have no idea what you're talking about.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 12, 2014 09:02 am »

Glad to hear you're keeping up with your devotional readings!

One would wonder.... may you go beyond serpent smiles and be awarded with cosmic cracker jacks.

One does not always need to understand to appreciate. You yourself have brought this to my attention. In that sense we only have mirrored one another.

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« Reply #13 on: Jul 13, 2014 02:44 pm »

As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness. 

leviticus 25:44-46 


Date of Writing: The Book of Leviticus was written between 1440 and 1400 B.C. by Moses. Time wise it  happened approximately the same time in the Dwapara yuga that we live in today since the lowest part of the kali yuga was 500 A.D. according to the Master's (SRF lineage) teachings. It would have been at the beginning of the Dwapara yuga. So this would have correlated with the time just around or after the civil war. So we see that in this sense the Bible does not even give correct teachings for guidance in regards to this period time wise. Many parts of the Bible are obsolete. There is no... i repeat no justification for a prophet or a saint preaching slave trafficing and blatant sexism. Who will end sexism towards women unless men openly expose and defy the sources from where it originated? The Bible in many ways is finished as a definitive spiritual ideal and it is hopeless to defend many parts of it.

Also, again we find inconsistancies. In one sense Moses led people out of bondage and in another he promoted slavery. Who will end sexism towards women unless men openly expose and defy the sources from where it originated?  Let us again read the words of Moses above. This is a prophet? Buying people like commodities and using them as possessions?  In fact it is hypocrisy to lead a people out of slavery and then preach slavery as well. To think that a prophet of the Lord would justify harshness for one race of people and to bar it from another only increases the inhumanity of the Bible and those who wrote it. 



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« Reply #14 on: Jul 13, 2014 07:09 pm »

Do the SRF teachings ask you to become a biblical critic? Yogananda himself considered the bible to be holy scripture. You are such a "textbook liberal" that it would be laughable if it weren't so boring. Your biblical analysis is half-witted at best and nothing but the same old dull ranting we have all heard before and can hear any day of the week. Why don't you go meditate instead of rattling off this drivel? Your ranting has the smell of the truck stop.
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