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« Reply #30 on: Sep 08, 2014 11:27 pm »

The Bible, especially is not applicable to the dwapara yuga. It is hopeless in its support of slavery, subjugation of women and mass genocide and non-humane punishment to name a few of its otracities. What is worst is that we have people that support the violence of the Bible and Koran which keep war, decapitation, genocide, gross mistreatment of women and dogmatism going. These old scriptures are in effect helping to keep the masses in the kali yuga because of the evil these scriptures endorsed. It would be much better to forget these old writings and follow dwapara type spiritual methods rather than building edifices to the past which promote kali yuga ethics.

What is even worst is that since the Bible does not explicitly mention meditation practice many Christians consider meditation as the work of the devil and try to convert you and tell you that you are following false prophets. The Bible only encourage such people in their ignorance. Furthermore because of the Bible; indigenous religions have been forcefully destroyed. The Bible makes claims (from a Christian stand point) that it is superior to other religions and that it is the only way to God. The Bible and most of its followers are quite clearly ego maniacs and through history they have believed their way is the only way. In this sense the Bible is extremely dangerous to tolerance and exceptance of other religious views. Because of the followers of the Bible, people have been burned at the stake for being heretical, tortured for their views and scientists have been persecuted for making claims like the world is round. People who see the Bible as sacred are some of the most hypocritical people in the world. They believe Solomon to be the wisest man alive at the time. Yet he had over 700 wives and 300 concubines. At the same time they preach sexual morality!!! It is hopeless to even talk to such hypocrites.

Brock told me it would be much like the people of the future seeing Star Wars and believing that was the way people lived now.
To believe all these stories were true and make them sacred is hopeless for spirituality.
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« Reply #32 on: Sep 09, 2014 05:04 am »

Steve, you might be interested in watching some of Bart D. Erhman's videos or interviews. He is a former "evangelical" turned agnostic after he went to bible college and found out that there are "questions" about the texts. It is a very deep intellectual analysis that, as Bart D. Erhman demonstrates, one can spend a lifetime on. The work of biblical criticism/analysis is never done.

 
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« Reply #33 on: Sep 09, 2014 10:09 am »

You know I believe you are right. I believe I am a bit frustrated that I was lectured at about the Bible for years. If i had known then what I know now I would know what to say to all these people who spent hundreds of hours of my life preaching ignorance. Any how i believe that our culture has been infiltrated by propaganda. i would much rather listen to you Yoda. i would like to add this: There is preaching and practicing. However if there is little or no practice there is little result. So when we are enthusiastic about our practice we learn even more from those who preach it and for me it adds to the inspiration to practice.

When you look at the darkside.... careful you must be...because the darkside looks back~Yoda
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« Reply #34 on: Oct 28, 2014 03:45 am »

https://www.yahoo.com/news/assads-warnings-start-ring-true-turkey-144516592.html

In this article Arabs bring back the idea of the crusaders and use the term synonomous with the United States. This is the main reason we are hated so much in the mideast. The Christian religion has only harmed the image of the United States. The atrocities of the crusaders and the Christian religion will take a long time to be forgotten especially since there are people in this country who have been considered pariah by most of the Christian Culture. As soon as you start including other religions, reincarnation and meditation as part of a religious culture most Christians consider you a heretic and influenced by demonic forces.
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« Reply #35 on: Dec 19, 2014 11:25 am »

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
the Christian religion."
-- George Washington
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« Reply #36 on: Mar 24, 2015 12:09 pm »

On the crusades, I tend to see it in another light.
That is, it's just an excuse from the extremists. If we look back to history and reason in terms of Revenge, the world will sbe hattered by the overwhelming negative vibrations of hate.

I'm Italian, so I should be hated by all foreigners whose nations 2000 years ago were conquered by the Romans. I should also be hated by the muslims because many crusaders were Italian. I should also be hated by other religios which have been insulted by the Catholic religion. Lybians, Etiopians and Somali should hate me to Death because of the fascist domination. Also, Albanians and Greeks should hate me and Italy becuase of the attempted conquest by Mussolini. French and British people should hate me because Mussolini allied with Hitler against them. Also,all the nations conquered by Hitler should hate Italy because Mussolini was an allied of Hitler. This would extend to all the terirtories conquered by Japan, since Germany and Italy were allied with them.
On my turn, I should hate the Germans because they occupied the Italian territory after the coup which dethroned Mussolini. I should also hate the Moroccans, the Pakistanis and some American troops which committed atrocities and raped Italian women and boys during the occupation in Italy. I should hate hate Slavs because they killed lots of Italians after the war, throwing them in sinkholes....

I'm sure I could lenghten this hate-list at will
The same goes for other countries.

The bottom line is that we CANNOT look to the past and hate other nations and civilizations for what they did.
This is wshy all the references to the crusades are deadly wrong.

The muslim should try and prove that they are better than the western world in terms of  economic achievements, quality of life, arts and science. In the United Arabian Emirates they are trying and sometimes succeding. the Chinese are trying and suceding.
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« Reply #37 on: Mar 24, 2015 01:43 pm »

Mccoy Really... I agree with u. There are so many people that consider themselves right. I think that is my point. How can everyone be rite? I think it is good to leave yourself open to the fact that there are so many views... so many ways of approaching things. Ours is only one way.

I believe that people and nations get in trouble when they go about thinking they have the answers and force them on others. To me;  that is the lesson here. It is good to recognize where are own nation and people have gone wrong, by deciding we knew what was best for other people, nations and cultures. Instead we could learn from those around us and other nations and cultures. We could grow by incorporating what they have learned and have to offer.

This is my point here. Our culture has always tried to export religion - Christian Religion. I am so glad for myself; that instead of following the Christian Religion-which was thrust on me from my culture-i learned and gained an appreciation of spirituality from cultures other than my own.
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« Reply #38 on: Apr 04, 2015 07:13 pm »

The Bible supporting stoning, burning to death cutting off hands as punishment.;

'And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.' Leviticus 24:16

Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."  Why should only a daughter of a priest gets burnt to death if she profanes herself?  Why can't this law apply to all daughters?

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." 

This doesn't make any sense what so ever!  Why should the woman get her hands cut off for defending her husband?  It's not like she was cheating on him or anything like that!
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« Reply #39 on: Apr 04, 2015 08:04 pm »

Does the bible support the present idea that the earth rotates around the Sun?

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
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« Reply #40 on: Apr 04, 2015 08:11 pm »

Does the Bible support torture?

Illustration of Assyrians Torturing Their Captives
The sketch is from a wall relief depicting the Assyrians torturing their captives. The ancient Assyrian were among the most ruthless of all ancient warriors. This was the fate of the rebellious Israelites of the Northern Kingdom.

"And they slew the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes, and put out the eyes of Zedekiah, and bound him with fetters of brass, and carried him to Babylon." - 2 Kings 25:7

"Because thy rage against me, and thy tumult, is come up into mine ears, therefore will I put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest." - Isaiah 37:29 

"And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen.." - Ezekiel 38:1-4

There are many examples revealing Assyrian severity. A captured king was taken to the capital and compelled to pull the royal chariot of triumph. Rings were put through their lips or noses and  sometimes hands, feet, noses and ears were cut off, they were blinded and their tongues were torn from their mouths. Prisoners were skinned alive and set on fire. Their skins were also hung near enemy city gates in order to collect tribute. The Lord allowed the ruthless Assyrians to capture the northern kingdom of Israel in 722 BC because of Israel's rebellion against Him. They were never seen again.

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« Reply #41 on: Apr 05, 2015 01:49 am »

Steve, I wonder why you are focusing so much upon the old testament. Jesus' mission had the purpose to get beyond it and is described in the new testament. The bible contains both old an new testament.

Sure I too wonder why the old testament is still a part of the bible. It has mainly an historical value, since it is based upon obsolete religious concepts.

Do American Christians base their faith on Jesus' preachings or on the obsolete and obscure passages of old testament?

The historical reference to the Assyrians is interesting though. They usually burnt cities and deported Whole populations. Maybe Stalin learnt from them about mass deportation.
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« Reply #42 on: Apr 05, 2015 02:28 pm »

Steve, I wonder why you are focusing so much upon the old testament. Jesus' mission had the purpose to get beyond it and is described in the new testament. The bible contains both old an new testament.

Sure I too wonder why the old testament is still a part of the bible. It has mainly an historical value, since it is based upon obsolete religious concepts.

Do American Christians base their faith on Jesus' preachings or on the obsolete and obscure passages of old testament?

The historical reference to the Assyrians is interesting though. They usually burnt cities and deported Whole populations. Maybe Stalin learnt from them about mass deportation.

We have the  Second Coming of Christ from Yoganananda's writings to draw from for an understanding of the life of Jesus Christ. i have a main point here Mccoy. That is that we are literally brainwashed by Christianity here in the states and most likely in Italy (where you live) as well. There are Christian churches on most all the major city blocks in all the towns of our country. The question i have is this: What influence does it have on the lives of others (social, political, moral) and what is it that they/we are actually following? As you see much of it reads quite like a Steven King book. Yet this is the book we follow to guide our life? Most all 'religious' people i have met in the common people in this country for decades have not been able to quote any guide line for their spiritual life accept from the Bible. If i quote anything from any other source they act like i have come from a different planet. They immediately redirect me to this same old book which is supposed to be a guide line for my spiritual life as well. As a people we need to understand that God worked thru many people and any many different ways not just thru the Bible.

As to your question of what Americans base their life on; Obviously Jewish Americans base their life on the Old Testament. If other Americans base their life on the new Testament - and have no understanding of any other spiritual teaching in the world - it shows a lack of spiritual perspective and open mindedness to any other religious views but their own.
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« Reply #43 on: Apr 05, 2015 03:17 pm »

Steve, in the other forum I added a link which takes directly to this thread.

This ramification of fora and similar topics may become interesting, if we are careful not to let it become chaotic

http://www.yoganandaji.org/board/showthread.php?p=68191#post68191.
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« Reply #44 on: Apr 07, 2015 10:41 am »

I have met a few mean and cruel people in my life. Now a mean and cruel God. Sorry I am not going for it. I think Amma said it best when asked if the Bible was true: "Some of it." ~ Amma
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