Mar 19, 2024 02:26 pm
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
News
:
https://youtu.be/4BulJAQo1TI
Home
Help
Search
Gallery
Links
Staff List
Login
Register
The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
Recent Items
Views: 2
Comments (
0
)
By:
Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?
Views: 1
Comments (
0
)
By:
innocent-eye
Views: 1
Comments (
0
)
By:
hole
Views: 4
Comments (
0
)
By:
hole
Spiritual Portal
>
Forum
>
The Hall of Mirrors provided by; Masters of Love and Light
>
Gurus Saints Masters from Krishna up to Amma
>
Jesus Christianity and 'The Second Coming'
>
The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
Pages:
1
2
3
[
4
]
« previous
next »
Print
Author
Topic: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism (Read 3319 times)
0 Members and 51 Guests are viewing this topic.
mccoy
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 122
Online
Posts: 1947
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #45
on:
Apr 07, 2015 10:04 pm »
Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Apr 07, 2015 10:41 am
I have met a few mean and cruel people in my life. Now a mean and cruel God. Sorry I am not going for it. I think Amma said it best when asked if the Bible was true: "Some of it." ~ Amma
Steve, maybe a mean and cruel period in history required a mean and cruel God. No wonder about it.
Sometimes Steve, I do not understand all this complaint about the bible. It appears so obvious to me that so many things are absolutely ridiculos to read in a supposedly religious book. So much so that they've been left there for historical reasons only.
Do you think that some people would be tempted to follow the example of Elijah, who cut the troath to over 300 mean priests and in doing so was praised by angels? And was God really cruel in possessing Elijah's body and cutting all those troaths (this is one possible reasonable explanation)? What if survival of the Whole Jew populace was due to that cut-troath festival? what if those 300 priests were extremely cruel and possessed by Satan? That society was something pretty easy to manipulate by today's standards.
Report Spam
Logged
Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?
Surrender Kitty
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 327
Online
Posts: 17610
Intereststs; Meditation/Spiritual Life
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #46
on:
Apr 09, 2015 08:24 pm »
Quote from: mccoy on Apr 07, 2015 10:04 pm
Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Apr 07, 2015 10:41 am
I have met a few mean and cruel people in my life. Now a mean and cruel God. Sorry I am not going for it. I think Amma said it best when asked if the Bible was true: "Some of it." ~ Amma
Steve, maybe a mean and cruel period in history required a mean and cruel God. No wonder about it.
Sometimes Steve, I do not understand all this complaint about the bible. It appears so obvious to me that so many things are absolutely ridiculos to read in a supposedly religious book. So much so that they've been left there for historical reasons only.
Do you think that some people would be tempted to follow the example of Elijah, who cut the troath to over 300 mean priests and in doing so was praised by angels? And was God really cruel in possessing Elijah's body and cutting all those troaths (this is one possible reasonable explanation)? What if survival of the Whole Jew populace was due to that cut-troath festival? what if those 300 priests were extremely cruel and possessed by Satan? That society was something pretty easy to manipulate by today's standards.
The 'compliant' as u put it is quite legitimate seeing as to the fact that time and time again groups of people have used what has been said in this book to torture and persecute others and in m
our time to harass those who do not believe. This has been done because of 'facts' stated in the Bible which are indeed often untrue and lies. In this sense this book cannot be considered a spiritual guide since it is used by fundamentalists to justify a mean God.
How can there be justification for cruelty?
When u find cruelty acted out by God in this book it is time to replace it or at least recognize it's spiritual poverty and not try to justify it by saying God could b cruel in one period of time an loving at another time. No wonder there is such mental illness and unkindness in our culture today.... when u follow such a teaching.
«
Last Edit: Apr 09, 2015 08:39 pm by Steve Hydonus
»
Report Spam
Logged
God Christ Gurus musical sample creations:
https://youtu.be/PU9157Esq-4
Hidden Springs
https://youtu.be/CQgAybAlVO0
Silent Voice Within
https://www.reverbnation.com/stevehydonus
stevehydonus@aol.com
For CD\'s of music by Steve or
hydonus@yahoo.com
mccoy
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 122
Online
Posts: 1947
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #47
on:
Apr 09, 2015 08:47 pm »
Well then I might say the fault is the pastors' who are commenting the bible, not necessarily the bible itself.
Also, an abridgement leaving only the new testament would be a drastic but satisfactory possibility.
Can you find anything which may be construed to encourage violence and cruelty in the new testament (Gospel, acts of the apostles, letters of the disciples, Apocalypse?
Report Spam
Logged
Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?
Surrender Kitty
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 327
Online
Posts: 17610
Intereststs; Meditation/Spiritual Life
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #48
on:
Apr 09, 2015 11:44 pm »
Quote from: mccoy on Apr 09, 2015 08:47 pm
Well then I might say the fault is the pastors' who are commenting the bible, not necessarily the bible itself.
Also, an abridgement leaving only the new testament would be a drastic but satisfactory possibility.
Can you find anything which may be construed to encourage violence and cruelty in the new testament (Gospel, acts of the apostles, letters of the disciples, Apocalypse?
i apologize for not being able to answer mccoy.... at least not rite now. Something happened to me today that was instigated by your post and our communications. It was a very wonderful experience. I will get back to this thread...
but sometimes words seem meaningless and not able to adequately describe what we experience internally.
Report Spam
Logged
God Christ Gurus musical sample creations:
https://youtu.be/PU9157Esq-4
Hidden Springs
https://youtu.be/CQgAybAlVO0
Silent Voice Within
https://www.reverbnation.com/stevehydonus
stevehydonus@aol.com
For CD\'s of music by Steve or
hydonus@yahoo.com
Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?
Surrender Kitty
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 327
Online
Posts: 17610
Intereststs; Meditation/Spiritual Life
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #49
on:
Apr 10, 2015 08:06 pm »
Quote from: mccoy on Apr 09, 2015 08:47 pm
Well then I might say the fault is the pastors' who are commenting the bible, not necessarily the bible itself.
Also, an abridgement leaving only the new testament would be a drastic but satisfactory possibility.
Can you find anything which may be construed to encourage violence and cruelty in the new testament (Gospel, acts of the apostles, letters of the disciples, Apocalypse?
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html
Even the New Testament-in many ways-is a continuation of hell fire, and brimstone gnashing of teeth and those who will go to hell. It is not Jesus. It is the way he is portrayed. How can this be taught in a Sunday School class? How is the psychology of fear going to help a new generation?
When i saw Amma speak; She never spoke this way. Her talks portrayed a God of Love... not a God of damnation and hell and fire. I am not saying I agree with everything in this link but let us look at few quotes from the New Testament as well. The language is used in a cruel way and the metaphors are also often menacing. My experience of Jesus is much different!
«
Last Edit: Apr 10, 2015 08:35 pm by Steve Hydonus
»
Report Spam
Logged
God Christ Gurus musical sample creations:
https://youtu.be/PU9157Esq-4
Hidden Springs
https://youtu.be/CQgAybAlVO0
Silent Voice Within
https://www.reverbnation.com/stevehydonus
stevehydonus@aol.com
For CD\'s of music by Steve or
hydonus@yahoo.com
Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?
Surrender Kitty
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 327
Online
Posts: 17610
Intereststs; Meditation/Spiritual Life
The New Testament supporting slavery.
«
Reply #50
on:
Apr 10, 2015 09:22 pm »
Fortunately for us Abraham Lincoln - who Paramahansa Yogananda called a great yogi in a past life - did not follow the advice of the Bible. Imagine how many wars and tens of thousands of deaths were caused by the Bibles support of slavery... not to mention the total disregard for certain races and people.
New Testament Verses:
Ephesians 6:5-9 (NRSV)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. Render service with enthusiasm, as to the Lord and not to men and women, knowing that whatever good we do, we will receive the same again from the Lord, whether we are slaves or free. And, masters, do the same to them. Stop threatening them, for you know that both of you have the same Master in heaven, and with him there is no partiality.
Christian slaves – treat your masters well. Christian slave masters are directly addressed, and told to treat their slaves well.
Colossians 3:22-25 (NRSV)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything, not only while being watched and in order to please them, but wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, put yourselves into it, as done for the Lord and not for your masters, since you know that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward; you serve the Lord Christ. For the wrongdoer will be paid back for whatever wrong has been done, and there is no partiality.
Christian slaves, wholeheartedly obey your masters in everything. If they treat you badly, know that they will get punishment in the next life.
1 Timothy 6:1-5 (NRSV)
Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.
Christian slaves, obey your masters well – and obey your Christian masters especially well. Anyone who teaches otherwise is going against the words of Jesus, and has a morbid craving for disputes about words.
Titus 2:9-10,15 (NRSV)
Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior. … Declare these things; exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one look down on you.
«
Last Edit: Apr 10, 2015 09:57 pm by Steve Hydonus
»
Report Spam
Logged
God Christ Gurus musical sample creations:
https://youtu.be/PU9157Esq-4
Hidden Springs
https://youtu.be/CQgAybAlVO0
Silent Voice Within
https://www.reverbnation.com/stevehydonus
stevehydonus@aol.com
For CD\'s of music by Steve or
hydonus@yahoo.com
Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?
Surrender Kitty
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 327
Online
Posts: 17610
Intereststs; Meditation/Spiritual Life
The New Testament and the Subjugation of Women
«
Reply #51
on:
Apr 10, 2015 09:32 pm »
Jesus says that divorce is permissible when the wife is guilty of fornication. But what if the husband is unfaithful? Jesus doesn't seem to care about that. 5:32, 19:h
http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/06/bible-women-should-suffer-in-silence/
11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
14: And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15: Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
«
Last Edit: Apr 10, 2015 09:55 pm by Steve Hydonus
»
Report Spam
Logged
God Christ Gurus musical sample creations:
https://youtu.be/PU9157Esq-4
Hidden Springs
https://youtu.be/CQgAybAlVO0
Silent Voice Within
https://www.reverbnation.com/stevehydonus
stevehydonus@aol.com
For CD\'s of music by Steve or
hydonus@yahoo.com
mccoy
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 122
Online
Posts: 1947
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #52
on:
Apr 10, 2015 10:13 pm »
This is taken from the same skeptics site you linked, it is clearly something targeted to guys:
Matthew:
Quote
5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Report Spam
Logged
mccoy
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 122
Online
Posts: 1947
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #53
on:
Apr 10, 2015 10:24 pm »
Re Paul the apostle: he was evidently pretty much influenced by ortodox old testament teachings.
If we stick to my original observation, those letters you cited, even though not a sign of massive social enlightenment, do not incite to cruelty or violence.
We should know also the context. Maybe there had been bloody riots within slaves and Paul was trying to avoid violence.
Also, slavery in those times was an accepted part of life.
Also, the condition of women was to be very subdued.
Since the main of all Jesus disciples was a woman, Mary Magdalene, to whom Jesus manifested after resurrection before the Others, we should be wary in jumping to conclusions. The truth is that Jesus highly esteemed Magdalene, a woman. More than most male disciples. Whatever else the skeptics want to say, they are forgetting this basic fact.
If anything but the gospels is disturbing in the new testament it may be easily removed. The gospels are the only fundamental part.
Report Spam
Logged
Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?
Surrender Kitty
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 327
Online
Posts: 17610
Intereststs; Meditation/Spiritual Life
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #54
on:
Apr 11, 2015 01:08 am »
Quote from: mccoy on Apr 10, 2015 10:24 pm
Re Paul the apostle: he was evidently pretty much influenced by ortodox old testament teachings.
If we stick to my original observation, those letters you cited, even though not a sign of massive social enlightenment, do not incite to cruelty or violence.
We should know also the context. Maybe there had been bloody riots within slaves and Paul was trying to avoid violence.
Also, slavery in those times was an accepted part of life.
Also, the condition of women was to be very subdued.
Since the main of all Jesus disciples was a woman, Mary Magdalene, to whom Jesus manifested after resurrection before the Others, we should be wary in jumping to conclusions. The truth is that Jesus highly esteemed Magdalene, a woman. More than most male disciples. Whatever else the skeptics want to say, they are forgetting this basic fact.
If anything but the gospels is disturbing in the new testament it may be easily removed. The gospels are the only fundamental part.
Since we appear to have similar views Mccoy perhaps we should start a new topic on Jesus. This-the man that changed everything... everything!
«
Last Edit: Apr 11, 2015 01:16 am by Steve Hydonus
»
Report Spam
Logged
God Christ Gurus musical sample creations:
https://youtu.be/PU9157Esq-4
Hidden Springs
https://youtu.be/CQgAybAlVO0
Silent Voice Within
https://www.reverbnation.com/stevehydonus
stevehydonus@aol.com
For CD\'s of music by Steve or
hydonus@yahoo.com
mccoy
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 122
Online
Posts: 1947
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #55
on:
Apr 11, 2015 11:43 am »
Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Apr 11, 2015 01:08 am
Since we appear to have similar views Mccoy perhaps we should start a new topic on Jesus. This-the man that changed everything... everything!
Let's do that, he's our param-param-param-param guru after all (hope the # of params are all right)
Report Spam
Logged
Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?
Surrender Kitty
Administrator
Hero Member
Karma: 327
Online
Posts: 17610
Intereststs; Meditation/Spiritual Life
Re: The Bible and Christian Dogmatism
«
Reply #56
on:
Apr 11, 2015 06:20 pm »
Quote from: mccoy on Apr 11, 2015 11:43 am
Quote from: Steve Hydonus on Apr 11, 2015 01:08 am
Since we appear to have similar views Mccoy perhaps we should start a new topic on Jesus. This-the man that changed everything... everything!
Let's do that, he's our param-param-param-param guru after all (hope the # of params are all right)
I think that pretty much covers it.... no one's going to call u on it.
«
Last Edit: Apr 11, 2015 06:21 pm by Steve Hydonus
»
Report Spam
Logged
God Christ Gurus musical sample creations:
https://youtu.be/PU9157Esq-4
Hidden Springs
https://youtu.be/CQgAybAlVO0
Silent Voice Within
https://www.reverbnation.com/stevehydonus
stevehydonus@aol.com
For CD\'s of music by Steve or
hydonus@yahoo.com
Pages:
1
2
3
[
4
]
Print
« previous
next »
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Helpful Announcements
-----------------------------
=> This portal is an open invitation for you and your spiritual aspirations, awareness and personal insights to be shared with other members and guests.
===> Insights; Illuminations traveling with the gypsy caravan.
===> Auspicious and Important Occasions
===> Lost and Found
-----------------------------
Babaji; the Gurus and Masters that followed him and their various spiritual approaches.
-----------------------------
=> Master’s that used Kriya meditation
=====> Whispers From Eternity
=====> The Holy Science (by Sri Yukteswar)
=====> The Bhagavad Gita
=====> Scientific Healing Affirmations
=====> Man's Eternal Quest
=====> SRF Lessons Services Readings Lectures etc.
=====> Metaphysical Meditations
=====> Sayings of Yogananda
=====> Self Realization Magazine
=====> East-West Magazine
=====> The Second Coming of Christ
=====> The Divine Romance
=====> SRF Diary
=====> Paramahansa Yogananda; Books by The
===> Yogananda his followers and Teachings; Recordings, music and spoken word
===> Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath
===> Hansavedas Self Enquiry Life Fellowship
===> Sri Yukteswar
===> Kriya Yoga
=====> Autobiography of a Yogi
=====> Self Realization Fellowship meditation techniques; specifics
-----------------------------
Welcome aboard, please feel free to become a member or visit as a guest and Campout at our Cosmic Campsite
-----------------------------
=> Shipwrecked on the Shores of Fulfillment; Don�t Be a Stranger
=> Spontaneous Combustion and unwarranted laughter.
=> Life Styles and Gift of Gab
-----------------------------
The Essentials: Meditation/Relaxation
-----------------------------
=> Different Forms of Meditation and personal Relaxation practices.
===> Meditating Pictures, Colors, Smells, Tastes and Sounds
===> Kundalini
===> 'I Am' technique ( Amma's meditation)
===> Christian meditation and spiritual practice
===> Personal relaxation preferences and any others (please feel free to share your own personal techniques)
===> Guided Meditation
===> The Zone of Silence
===> Pilgrimage
=> Experiences During Meditation
-----------------------------
Dharma (The Mad Scientist and her consort)
-----------------------------
=> Looking inside out; Wearing Garments of Your Choice
===> Physics
===> archaeology
===> physiology
===> Psychology
===> Sky Watchers club ; Astronomy 🔭 Astrology
===> History
===> Anthropology
===> Biology
-----------------------------
The Hall of Mirrors provided by; Masters of Love and Light
-----------------------------
=> Gurus Saints Masters from Krishna up to Amma
===> Amma: Mata Amritanandamayi and Sri Karunamayi
===> Books about Amma
=====> Sayings of Amma
===> Buddhism
=====> Zen Zone
===> Jesus Christianity and 'The Second Coming'
===> Ramakrishna and Vivekananda
===> Krishna
===> Ramana Maharshi
===> Sufism and the Message of Hazrat Inayat Khan
===> Sadhguru
=> Nature: Protect the Wildlife
===> Gemstones and Crystals
===> Numerology
=====> Palmistry
===> Palmistry
===> The Great Spirit & Spirit Totems
=> Shamanic Journeys, Angels and Others
===> Spirit Guides
===> Light Souls and Angels
-----------------------------
A Spiritual Smorgasbord
-----------------------------
=> Living and Experiencing Love and much, much more 💜
===> A pet psychic for decadent dogs and a few conniving cats
===> Relationships
===> Sexuality
===> Acts of Kindness
=> Zen Moments Golden With Awareness
===> Toad Stool Memories; Servival and Supporting Mother Earth, Sacred Places, Times, Objects, Mother Earth and Creation
===> The Spiritual Life: The Time Traveler, out of body experiences, telepathy, clairvoyance, clairaudience, contacting spirits and other spiritual gifts, Channeling,
===> Miracles and experiencing oneness
===> Vedic Texts and terms;the Upanishads and Sutras etc.
===> Seva
-----------------------------
Come in for a Spell
-----------------------------
=> Dreamscapes; Sleeping and Dreaming
=> New Dimensions and Moments of Awakening
===> Oceanic Moment
===> U.F.O. and Alien Reflections: a Galactic Cemetary
===> Time Traveling and Past Lives
===> Manifesting, Affirmations & Law of Attraction and Magnetism
===> Psychics
===> Awakening to Different Realities
=====> The Alchemist
-----------------------------
Art and Creative Expressions; being hardwired may be a liability here.
-----------------------------
=> Creative Tree
===> Written Word
=====> Books films and acting , spiritual & otherwise
===> Visual Arts/Photos
===> Sound Minds: Music and Dance
=====> Classical
===> Architecture
===> Native American
===> Devotional music and chants
-----------------------------
Astrology
-----------------------------
=> Cosmology/Astrology/Astronomy
===> Little Hoot and the Midnite Astrologer show you your lucky stars.
=====> Natal Charts~personal chart readings given; 323 491-9195 or ombabaji@hotmail.com
=======> The houses in a chart
=======> Planets objects & Fixed Stars ⭐️
=====> Vedic Astrology
=====> Transits and Progressions to Natal Charts
=====> Synastry and Comparison
===> Mundane Astrology and the astrology of Countries
-----------------------------
Food, Health & Fitness
-----------------------------
=> Baba's Habash Cafe
===> Streptasaurus with physical regimin
===> Health and Healing and changing underwear regularly with Alfred Hitchcock and "Make the Morning Last"
-----------------------------
Social and Spiritual Fellowship
-----------------------------
=> Satsang
-----------------------------
Prayers
-----------------------------
=> Om lokah samastha sukhino bhavantu____/\____
-----------------------------
A Walk Across the Universe
-----------------------------
=> Journey to the Edge of the Universe
Powered by
EzPortal
Loading...