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« Reply #15 on: Dec 03, 2014 08:40 pm »

Maybe it was from another thread, not important,

Your interpretation makes sense, I regret the spirit of adventure kind of petered out but it was very strong in my youth. Still shows up occasionally.
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 08, 2015 09:57 pm »

Steve, theoretically it's like you say, but in practice things often change.

You have been burnt by a recent friendship and apparently are not able to get over it yet.

I have been burnt by a friend who, although I gave him full trust, started to take advantage of me. This relates to $$$.

We can write or speak as much as we want. That friendship has ceased to exist to me. I feel betrayed. Also, this episode has undermined the word trust to me. In future and in next lives I'll be much less trusty in business (reads: no trust at all).

You may be rite mccoy. Trust is sometimes given too freely and perhaps we are somewhat naive in the trust we give to those around us. What interests me more is the square you have in your chart from the Sun to Neptune. The house of resources held with others and friendship. i have a similar square in my chart. It often blinds one to the true purpose or intentions of friends. It is  a karmic factor working out from previous lifes. The chart always shows us factors we are encountering from previous life episodes. The question to me is how to handle them. This is a spiritual question. We often hope that by placing are writing strategically or by speaking to others that they will grasp what they have done. Even if they can't or will not... at least we tried. Then of course we have our own lessons to learn from such encounters also and to be careful we do not over react and begin a new round of karma for ourselves.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 08, 2015 11:41 pm »

...Then of course we have our own lessons to learn from such encounters also and to be careful we do not over react and begin a new round of karma for ourselves.

+11111 on that, the real test is maybe just here, some reaction from us imperfect beings is understandable and even expected (actually it's shown at times even by incarnated perfect beings, the avatars) whereas over-reaction can be spiritually lethal.
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 12, 2015 03:27 am »

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Your chart shows you were born at 3:10 P.M. It also shows this works out to be 14:20 miltary time. I did your chart and it came out looking different with 15:20 as the actual time of birth.. Could you explain?
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 12, 2015 09:40 am »

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Your chart shows you were born at 3:10 P.M. It also shows this works out to be 14:20 (military time) universal time. I did your chart and it came out looking different with 15:20 as the actual time of birth.. Could you explain?

Steve, I remember when I was 18 I started being interested in natal charts. I asked my mother when I was born exactly and she told me the most likely time was 3:20 PM. When I built my natal chart there was no internet, so I had to do that by tables. The Italian books I used allowed for daylight saving time in Italy, when applied.
I've just looked at the historical data from the Italian agency which deals with time and in 1960 daylight saving time was not applied in Italy, so 3:20 is solar time, what should be actually used in the chart I reckon. I don't know about military time, but the American and allied armies lingered in Italy until the end of the war, 1945 at most, so I doubt it was applied in 1960.
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 12, 2015 11:37 am »

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Your chart shows you were born at 3:10 P.M. It also shows this works out to be 14:20 universal time. I did your chart and it came out looking the same but it nevertheless apparently universal time is the same as daylight savings. Sorry if I confused u with the term military time. I changed it and meant universal time.Although they appear to b the same.


Steve, I remember when I was 18 I started being interested in natal charts. I asked my mother when I was born exactly and she told me the most likely time was 3:20 PM. When I built my natal chart there was no internet, so I had to do that by tables. The Italian books I used allowed for daylight saving time in Italy, when applied.
I've just looked at the historical data from the Italian agency which deals with time and in 1960 daylight saving time was not applied in Italy, so 3:20 is solar time, what should be actually used in the chart I reckon. I don't know about military time, but the American and allied armies lingered in Italy until the end of the war, 1945 at most, so I doubt it was applied in 1960.

Hello mccoy

I used the term-Military time- it is a method used to measure the time based on a 24 hour clock instead of using two groups of 12 hours each. The military time is more accurate and is more commonly used in the U.S. and Canada than in other countries. We used it way back when we hand constructed charts.
When we do charts we use universal time (sorry to confuse u with the term military time which I deleted. A chart can be constructed using miltary time, as u may  already know... with mathematical corrections.) because there r two 3:20 's  - one a.m. the other p.m. when using mathematics p.m and a.m. r not factors but u cannot reconcile 14:20 with either 3:20 p.m. or 3:20 a.m. because 14:20 which is clearly stated at the top of your chart works out to b 2:20 p.m. I believe u used universal time because it is on the chart. See universal time on the top rite hand of the chart. It looks like u had this chart done at astro.net  They woul have altered the data to make changes for daylight savings if it was used. Computer programs are programmed to make the changes. Does this chart look the same as the one u did years ago?

I did the chart again and it came out looking like the one u illustrated here.








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« Reply #21 on: Apr 12, 2015 02:09 pm »

steve, my bad about the 'military time', was confused by the 14:10. I've heard it called '24 hours format' and it is Always good to learn new expressions.

The chart you are showing now is exactly the same that I saved as a picture. But now I have some doubts. If in Italy there was no daylight saving time in 1960, the 15:20 time should remain 15:20 and not be decreased to 14:20 by the charting software, what it's called 'universal time' which I take it is the same as military time.

If you confirm the above suspicion, there should be an error either in my data or in the data acquired by the software, I'm going to do more detailed research about this issue.
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 12, 2015 02:36 pm »

Steve, I did my research and the results are surprising. I did a natal chart on an Italian site. it applied the -1 hour correction for daylight saving time, turning the 15:20 time to 14:20 time., even as th eEnglish, or America site.

But, after having treble-checked, the data from teh Italian agency which keeps track of timing are clear about it: in Italy from 1948 to 1965 there has been no daylight saving time, so my 15:20 is actually a 15:20 and needs no correction.

The conclusion is that the chart softwares sometiems may apply the wrong correction for Italy in 1960 (an maybe other years as well).

To have the right natal chart in the first software used, I should enter 16:20 as time of Birth, which the software will convert to 15:20 universal , or military time, using the latter to build the chart. Maybe the 2nd software you used did not have such bug and applied the correction correctly, if I understood well after reading your first post again. So the ones with 15:20 as actual tiem of Birth are the right ones.

In the following table, we can see that in Italy daylight saving time was interrupted from 1949 to 1965, starting to be applied again in 1966. I colored the interruption in red.

1916 dalle 24 del 3 giugno alle 24 ora legale del 30 settembre
1917 dalle 24 del 31 marzo alle 24 ora legale del 30 settembre
1918 dalle 24 del 9 marzo alle 24 ora legale del 6 ottobre
1919 dalle 24 del 1 marzo alle 24 ora legale del 4 ottobre
1920 dalle 24 del 20 marzo alle 24 ora legale del 18 settembre
1940 dalle 24 del 14 giugno  alla fine dell'anno
1941  per tutto l'anno  
1942  dall'inizio dell'anno alle 3 ora legale del 2 novembre
1943 dalle 2 del 29 marzo alle 3 ora legale del 24 ottobre
1944 dalle 2 del 3 aprile alle 2 ora legale del 17 settembre
(solo al Nord Italia)
1945 dalle 2 del 2 aprile all'1 ora legale del 15 settembre
1946 dalle 2 del 17 marzo alle 3 ora legale del 6 ottobre
1947 dalle 00 del 16 marzo all'1 ora legale del 5 ottobre
1948 dalle 2 del 29 febbraio alle 3 ora legale del 3 ottobre
1966 dalle 00 del 22 maggio alle 24 ora legale del 24 settembre

1967 dalle 00 del 28 maggio all'1 ora legale del 24 settembre
1968 dalle 00 del 26 maggio all'1 ora legale del 22 settembre
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« Reply #23 on: Apr 12, 2015 06:52 pm »

Steve, I did my research and the results are surprising. I did a natal chart on an Italian site. it applied the -1 hour correction for daylight saving time, turning the 15:20 time to 14:20 time., even as th eEnglish, or America site.

But, after having treble-checked, the data from teh Italian agency which keeps track of timing are clear about it: in Italy from 1948 to 1965 there has been no daylight saving time, so my 15:20 is actually a 15:20 and needs no correction.

The conclusion is that the chart softwares sometiems may apply the wrong correction for Italy in 1960 (an maybe other years as well).

To have the right natal chart in the first software used, I should enter 16:20 as time of Birth, which the software will convert to 15:20 universal , or military time, using the latter to build the chart. Maybe the 2nd software you used did not have such bug and applied the correction correctly, if I understood well after reading your first post again. So the ones with 15:20 as actual tiem of Birth are the right ones.


 i think we should explore this idea of universal time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Time You see whether Italy has daylight savings time or not it has to conform to Greenwich meantime so that a chart can be composed with the right placement of the planets and houses. No matter where you are born the time of your birth has to be converted to Greenwich meantime because that time is used as a universal time that all ephemeris are using. In simpler terms; We do not have the position of the planets from every part of the earth. We subtract and add as a result of time differences from Greenwich England. Greenwich meantime refers to solar time not human made time references. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time
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« Reply #24 on: Apr 13, 2015 12:06 am »

Good, Steve, so it's settled, Universal time being Greenwich time, all things add up.

My previous concerns about the softwares do not hold, they are correct, 15:20 becomes -1 hence 14:20. In a year where SDT is on, the conversion should be -2, but in 1960 the -1 conversion from Italian DST to UT is all right.

The chart you showed previously appears to be the right one. I don't think there are any residual doubts about it.

I tried out the astrodienst chart with same Birth time and year=1970, when DST was on in Italy. It correctly converts to -2 Universal Time. KK

per M N (maschile)

data di nascita 10 agosto 1970 ora locale:  15:30
in Pescara, ITALY U.T.:  13:30 14e13, 42n28 ora sid.:  11:41:19
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« Reply #25 on: Apr 13, 2015 02:23 am »

Jupiter has been hovering in the area of your Sun for sometime. It returns over your Sun in the next month. You have and had many opportunities to learn through the values of others and will continue to get help from them in the near future. A good time to feel confidence in yourself with the help others around you.
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« Reply #26 on: Jun 11, 2015 02:10 am »

Interesting, I don't usually think in demonic terms, for example in this case I just chalk it up to not having enough will power, control, experience, etc., to just sit down and click right into meditation, sure the underlying cause might be demonic, but those thoughts seem to be demolished as soon as I realize it's me that needs to improve with God's help. In other words, I know it's possible and I should be able to do it, regardless of the reason.

Spirit image, I agree with what you say but I have been looking back often, I've been meditating for 36 years now sometimes imposing upon my self a harsh and continuos discipline, but restlessness has never left me. The only explanation I find is that a demon is trying his best to frustrate my effort. Of course the demon makes use of karma and enhances the negative karmic influences which in my case would enhance the natural  restlessness. of the mind. I can feel the malevolent intelligence behind it.

The advantage of noticing this is that it becomes a personal issue. That is, not giving satisfaction to that demon becomes a priority, so meditation becomes a double priority.

Mccoy the energy field of people who have Uranus connected to their Sun in a strong way often is quite restless but at the same time inventive and creative and energetic and magnetic. I noticed you also have a T square in your chart which works out in your 5th house of self-expression. So there is the dynamic aspect of a Sun-Moon opposition involved with Neptune square. It works out in the 5th house of self-expression so you need an outlet for your creativity and your self expression in your life and to find fulfilling pleasure. Your hopes and dreams are challenged because of contrasting values you find with life circumstances and people who come in your life. It is constructive in that it gives an urge to look beyond temporary satisfactions of this life and helps you find new ways of of self expression that include others even though their are differences.

No doubt your activities here are a channel for self expression as well and without you here it would be drab. It often provides contrast and a different slant on views. We were not made to be alike but to find our own way to the mountain top. We can compare experiences though and there is so much to learn from everyone. I find your spirit very receptive to understanding the views of others. It is rather contagious. I need to learn from it.
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« Reply #27 on: Apr 13, 2016 05:46 pm »

An interesting facet of your chart is the 8th house emphasis. There is a power trio there-Sun Uranus and Venus with another planet in the 2nd house. As you may know both of these houses portend to values: Your values and other peoples values. Values are a big thing in your life. Also where u came from; your roots. Other peoples values r something u are faced with thru most of your live and u a re learning much about life thru their values. Your social life takes on very unusual turns of events to help u gain insights thru the wisdom and differences you find in those who enter your life. It cannot b looked at as boring or uneventful in this sense. As you can see the second house has the Moon in it. So you see your values go thru phases and are affected quite a bit over the years by the people you come in contact with. You are now going thru a self critical time in your life that has much responsibility placed on you in your environment this i say in April of 2016 so it will not be confused when some one may read it years from now. The self critical period is temporary whereas what i said about values is a life long decision.

Your Sun is placed within 1 degree  of my Nadir a point that relates to the past.  A past we once shared- not this life- a distant one. We lived in a more higher economic situation and associated with more wealth. Today we have a deeper and more important wealth we share: spirituality. Perhaps we may visit again if you ever make it to the states. For now i cannot see visiting Italy... though there is much to love about your country!
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« Reply #28 on: Apr 14, 2016 02:11 pm »

Steve, speaking of places, where is the thread where we posted pictures and you were asking for some pics of places in my area. I was about to attach some images but I could not find the thread.
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« Reply #29 on: Apr 14, 2016 03:40 pm »

Steve, speaking of places, where is the thread where we posted pictures and you were asking for some pics of places in my area. I was about to attach some images but I could not find the thread.

Great! It is under "Arts and Creative Expression" :  Child Board; Visual Arts/Photos-Thread.... Meditation Nite/Photos/mccoy/hydonus

Pictures are in this area or Meditation/Meditation Pictures i put ours under visual art and photos because i did not think that were specifically referring to meditation.
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