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« on: Oct 23, 2014 01:48 am »

hi steve...

i do have a lot on my mind... but not so much from the dream world going on lately. seems to be more so current life... and our future as a planet =)...

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thanks for keeping me in your thoughts

Some people go bananas when they see birds being locked up. Don't they know there are millions of children dying of starvation and they are worried about the welfare of birds, cats and dogs? That's fine, but what are your real values when you are attached to everything? Nothing is tangible in this world; why shall we be attached to anything? Why worry about disturbing news. The news of tomorrow, next week, next month, next year and the next century has been already written a long, long time ago; the movie is finished.

Our solar system is moving into a compartment of space time continuum where everything is already made, the next plane crash, the next war, your next telephone call, all those things are already printed. There are vibratory pictures of distant or future events that are now passing through the ether. The vibratory thought patterns of an event that is to occur in the upcoming future is there in the ether now according to the laws and action of cause and effect. You can develop the power of protecting yourself and your family from future accidents waiting for you according to cosmic laws.

As the solar system moves, we are moving in to space time continuum where everything is waiting for you as the solar system moves into the news of tomorrow. Everything is already written about your ego, but you are not the ego; you are not made in the image of the stars. Therefore in the degree you change your status as a spiritual being you can change the future; that is, you can change what is going to happen to you. When the future is there waiting for you, you won't be there, so why worry about the news. You can change your place in your destiny because you are the only form of life in this creation that has a choice. Just flow with the whole thing or begin to make a stand and redirect your life without being affected by the present century you are living in. Without comprehension and understanding of spirituality people become invaded with worries of what is going to happen in Afghanistan, what is happening with Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and Russia and there is no time for meditation nonetheless time for God.

It will not do any of us any good to think about the news all the time, so why think about it? You did not come into this world to lose yourself but to find your true self. When you are attached to everything you must reconsider your values. Nothing is tangible in this world; it is wise to practice detachment. When you die and your body is gone these forces do not die. They are stored in the astral brain of the subconscious mind and they follow your soul wherever it goes and when you are reborn they manifest as behavioral tendencies, thus a person who has died an alcoholic will come back with a tendency to alcoholism and will remain the same until he finally overcomes the desire for alcohol. These forces must be destroyed therefore workout to overcome them now. If you don't your unconquered desires will remain and hound you.

~Brother Turiyananda

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« Reply #1 on: Oct 23, 2014 10:55 pm »

woops... that should read... our future on this planet ***  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 24, 2014 01:14 am »

If there is a choice then nothing is predefined. If everything is predefined, then there is no choice. If we are saying that the evens in the physical are predefined, then why worry about making a choice. The choosing is predefined as well and will happen (already happened) as planned. The movie is already filmed...or is it not? We live in constant paradox because we try to live on two levels simultaneously. And it is OK even thought it is not easy. ultimately, our Nature remains unchanged even when we play in the "dirt" of the worldly strife. But we do forget and become afraid that we are heading in the wrong direction. There is no direction to head. We are already there and have always been there and will always be. There is no other place but here.  All these are just empty words because all words are empty. But the words create the worlds.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 24, 2014 02:32 am »

If there is a choice then nothing is predefined. If everything is predefined, then there is no choice. If we are saying that the evens in the physical are predefined, then why worry about making a choice. The choosing is predefined as well and will happen (already happened) as planned. The movie is already filmed...or is it not? We live in constant paradox because we try to live on two levels simultaneously. And it is OK even thought it is not easy. ultimately, our Nature remains unchanged even when we play in the "dirt" of the worldly strife. But we do forget and become afraid that we are heading in the wrong direction. There is no direction to head. We are already there and have always been there and will always be. There is no other place but here.  All these are just empty words because all words are empty. But the words create the worlds.  Smiley

I enjoy the depth of your awareness. i do not know that it needs a response. Sometimes we just appreciate what is being presented.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 25, 2014 02:12 pm »

The basic issue of Turyananda's words is the possibility to change fate, or karma.
According to him, karma is already written. He's probably talking about mass karma. We have an option out of that karma if we take ourselves out of the fundamental vibratory mode of that specific mass consciousness. Then, that mass-karma will not recognize us, because we do not more belong to him (we lost the specific vibrations to which it has been targeted).

Of course, carrying out that change is not easy at all. Also, some types of mass karma can involve everyone, like the huge natural disasters which destroyed Atlantis and Whole territories.

The great pragmatism of Yogananda stressed an effort to overcome mass karma by spiritual evolution and to prevent anyway problems and more restriocted in scope individual karma by spiritual and even practical efforts.

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« Reply #5 on: Oct 25, 2014 09:44 pm »

www.futuretimeline.net this is a fun resource that has really fostered my appreciation for humanity.. to be in awe of all we've accomplished and to wonder... technology is evolving faster than us ! and not all of us have the know how to even use the precious gifts given by our forefathers and our brothers and sisters from today.

it's fun to speculate because we are going to have a new generation run some things and i wonder if more focus will go to education and spirituality
i wonder how our buildings will look even 15 years from now

 
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 25, 2014 09:55 pm »

http://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2050-2059.htm#.VEvxvfnF98E

this kind of puts into words how i've been feeling
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The world of 2050 is a world of contrasts and paradoxes. On the one hand, science and technology have continued to advance in response to emerging crises, challenges and opportunities. This has created radical transformations in genetics, nanotechnology, biotechnology and related fields. On the other hand, many of these same technologies have been so disruptive that it has led to a more frightening, unpredictable and chaotic world than ever before. Humanity is now at a crossroads that will determine its future path for centuries to come – survival or destruction, prosperity or collapse.

Some of the most cherished political, economic and social structures have been turned on their heads. In a sense, capitalism remains the dominant economic model, but is now evolving drastically in response to ecological impacts,* resource scarcity,* demographic trends,* technology* and a host of other factors.* The endless consumer culture that was prevalent throughout the first world has all but collapsed, replaced by a societal need to conserve.* Though there are still many wealthy people around, money is concentrated in a shrinking upper class. By 2050, "traditional" free market capitalism is largely viewed as a broken system.***

As more and more wealth trickles upwards to the hyper-rich elite, there is a growing consensus that money itself – the profit motive – is a major obstacle to future progress, and a new driving force may be required for civilisation to flourish. Debates are raging on what reforms to make in order to adapt societies to this rapidly changing world. People everywhere sense that a great transition is approaching, the likes of which has never been seen before in all of human history.* It is clear that some new global paradigm will appear; but it is still unclear what this will be.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 26, 2014 12:11 pm »

Eric i believe the new global paradigm is already with us... just unrecognized. It is to recognize the illusion of wealth and power verses spirituality and humanity. The goals of a new generation are expansion of consciousness and spiritual enlightenment. These can only be achieved by including our brothers and sisters in all our goals because they are indeed part of our expanded awareness and can't be separated from our goal of enlightenment. Having more and more stuff and things only increases our burdens. Living simply and having a concern for the welfare of others expands our awareness and helps us rise above our personal concerns. (See last paragraph below by mccoy.)

The old paradigm of expanding financially and materially will be replaced by a paradigm that expands consciousness and awareness.

Steve, some examples? The vast expanses of pristine jungle in South America and Africa exist no more, out of limber exploitation and land exploitation. I see no painless solution to that.
The pain is bound to come ultimately, in the form of disease, pandemia, wars.
It's interesting to note that today was is no more accepted by the global community and leads to serious ambargo (for example, Russia).

Whereas the economy has become the wild west where everything is allowed. If there will be any room for evolution, in future a greed-based economy may receive the same treatment a a warmongering country today. Now, apparently it's not like that.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 26, 2014 07:37 pm »

Hi Steve,
I agree with you that "something" is happening. I think the struggle of old vs. new will become greater on a global scale. We've done this before,  history teaches us and perhaps even from a previous life we've been in some conflicting transition. Maybe we've been through the golden age and its collapse. I have this feeling we're entering another significant transition but am feeling a bit pessimistic about it all. Maybe it's because as you've said this phase is unrecognized. . I live in a culture where the majority of us don't understand, including myself. I am fearful because I don't know but I think that's natural. I'm happy were discussing this though!  Smiley

For me its nature vs. technology as well as spiritual vs. material. We will eventually find a way to integrate our brothers genius to coexist with our mother earth.

Perhaps I'm feeling this way because not only do I not understand how technology works but I also don't understand the basic laws of life on earth. I'm feeling like I can only sit on the sidelines and watch... not really sure.. Maybe I need a change in perspective

G2g, cheers!

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« Reply #9 on: Jan 13, 2017 03:04 am »

Mccoy and Steve, I appreciate your replies and wisdom shared of mass karma and the words of Brother Turiyananda.

Irina, wisdom I've not yet achieved. Your parting sentence... Words create the worlds. Food for thought.

Steve with your concerns for Mother Earth and your current perspective of those in power, where do you think we will be as a species in the future?
Would we but call the Earth our home when our need for resources extend beyond what the planet is no longer able to provide?

Perhaps we will keep it close, until we've the technology for other endeavors. Whether global warming, overpopulation, war or guided by a more "divine" hand... it would seem our place in this world will come to an end. Where we go from there, I don't know.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 13, 2017 04:08 am »

I am only doing my small part Eric. Where we will be as a planet in the future is not my concern. What is my concern is to do the best I can for those who follow me. I need to be free of this compulsion to come here because of karmic factors.  It is important to be awake, alive and aware of what others are telling me and to recognize where their actions are taking me. Also to be aware of where my actions are taking myself. I must continue practicing meditation and not let this passing show get the best of me and others caught up in it. Things can change very quickly in this world so can the people in it. That's what i hope to see in myself and others! No matter what happens to this earth you and i --- our spirit will continue after leaving this body. Let us meet again... in perhaps more favorable conditions -- and let us be grateful for the few days we have shared here on this planet. Love you Eric and everyone here is in my thoughts and prayers. Nomaste
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 12, 2017 07:38 am »

I am only doing my small part Eric. Where we will be as a planet in the future is not my concern. What is my concern is to do the best I can for those who follow me. I need to be free of this compulsion to come here because of karmic factors.  It is important to be awake, alive and aware of what others are telling me and to recognize where their actions are taking me. Also to be aware of where my actions are taking myself. I must continue practicing meditation and not let this passing show get the best of me and others caught up in it. Things can change very quickly in this world so can the people in it. That's what i hope to see in myself and others! No matter what happens to this earth you and i --- our spirit will continue after leaving this body. Let us meet again... in perhaps more favorable conditions -- and let us be grateful for the few days we have shared here on this planet. Love you Eric and everyone here is in my thoughts and prayers. Nomaste
Good advice Steve... seems different from your recent thoughts
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I am only doing my small part Eric. Where we will be as a planet in the future is not my concern. What is my concern is to do the best I can for those who follow me. I need to be free of this compulsion to come here because of karmic factors.  It is important to be awake, alive and aware of what others are telling me and to recognize where their actions are taking me. Also to be aware of where my actions are taking myself. I must continue practicing meditation and not let this passing show get the best of me and others caught up in it. Things can change very quickly in this world so can the people in it. That's what i hope to see in myself and others! No matter what happens to this earth you and i --- our spirit will continue after leaving this body. Let us meet again... in perhaps more favorable conditions -- and let us be grateful for the few days we have shared here on this planet. Love you Eric and everyone here is in my thoughts and prayers. Nomaste
Good advice Steve... seems different from your recent thoughts

People have many sides to them. Recently you have found out that to be true yourself. You spent much of your early days here when i was in california surrounded by many spiritual forces. I was around srf and amma very much at the time.

We are often affected quite strongly by environmental sources. The current political and social state of the U.S.
is very unsettling to many people i have met. A minority of our people have taken over our government and are causing much distress to mother earth and her people.This does not however deter us from our spiritual practices nor the realization that i am fortunate to have friends with common interests like yourself Eric. Thanks for the reminder!

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We are often affected quite strongly by environmental sources. The current political and social state of the U.S.
is very unsettling to many people i have met. A minority of our people have taken over our government and are causing much distress to mother earth and her people.This does not however deter us from our spiritual practices nor the realization that i am fortunate to have friends with common interests like yourself Eric. Thanks for the reminder!

Jitendra (Steve)

You know I almost got a little spiritual boost until politics weaved its way in. Why don't you give it rest already.
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We are often affected quite strongly by environmental sources. The current political and social state of the U.S.
is very unsettling to many people i have met. A minority of our people have taken over our government and are causing much distress to mother earth and her people.This does not however deter us from our spiritual practices nor the realization that i am fortunate to have friends with common interests like yourself Eric. Thanks for the reminder!

Jitendra (Steve)

You know I almost got a little spiritual boost until politics weaved its way in. Why don't you give it rest already.

There will be no rest till we remove the destroyers of mother earth out of office. This is now a spiritual duty. The U.S.A. is now the cause of the greatest crimes against humanity in the world since Trump and his henchmen have been in office. We are responsible to let this reprehensible crime against our spiritual mother earth continue because we are citizens of this wretched nation since Trump and his henchmen made it an evil nation.
He and his team have brought dishoner and shame to our country and made it contemtable and subject to attact by other nations on our planet.
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