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« Reply #15 on: Jan 27, 2015 02:50 pm »

It is fascinating how one dimensional people can be. As if there is one way to do things. We are talking to many people who are much like many Catholics. They have one religion and they follow almost everything the church says. Despite the fact that the church has been proven wrong many times in history. i have been in SRF all my life but i think God that Guru has shown me that SRF is not infallible and has taught me how to communicate out of the confines of one religion or one forum. It is much like being in a house and never leaving the front door. SRF has surely helped me but to follow everything they might or might not be saying.... well folks... you just have not been around the organization to know that they disagree among themselves and many of them have left because of it. But this does not stop us from being grateful for all that there is to offer and how we have been helped by our many spiritual influences.

 

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 27, 2015 05:27 pm »

The Bible (and religion) shows the way to go to heaven, not the way the heavens go.
Galileo Galilei

 
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
Galileo Galilei
 
It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved.
Galileo Galilei

 
It vexes me when they would constrain science by the authority of the Scriptures, and yet do not consider themselves bound to answer reason and experiment.
Galileo Galilei
 
We cannot teach people anything; we can only help them discover it within themselves.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 29, 2015 03:43 am »

Ah but Mccoy you've forgotten I've long sense transmogrified to goat form ! The ways of human mythology, in all of its order and chaos are foreign to me ! Indeed I am other worldly and find it difficult enough to adapt to the ritual of these terrestrial nanny goats ! There is little room in this tiny head of mine for understanding both earth goats and you earthly humans !  Shocked

I believe it it must be time to bring the mid nite astrologer in for a mid nite horrorscope reading on the cosmic goat.
I think it's horns have grown out of proportion. They appear horrorific!

https://www.google.com/search?q=george+w+bush+alfred+e+neuman&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSywEayAELEKjU2AQaBggLCBcIPQwLELCMpwganAEKOggCEhTIHPoesR2dCu0e3BGSIJYRgyC7HRogK7L0xv1vFZJ9rder73DpPW4tZeRKegpQcWIBVFFeJYoKXggDEiicHaEdphG2GvoRxQ-bHfgPuRyoEZEuwTqPLo0u4i_1SOqAuki6ZJY8wGjC4c46bBmcOjWWR5PsWhLytapo9puM2RdmM1bNQ7uFspNbfL18_1-c94F40bo6mMQxUMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgRl17OTDA&sa=X&ei=pQu_VIL4EdWyyASA9oGIDw&ved=0CBgQwg4oAA&biw=360&bih=559#imgrc=kCLvCdJVbBnAZM%253A%3BrF9xC6e074SUZM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fphotos1.blogger.com%252Fblogger%252F764%252F231%252F1600%252FAlfredEW.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fgoodproblem.blogspot.com%252F2005_09_01_archive.html%3B653%3B758

Cosmic Gut was grazing in a high rarefied atmosphere of a mountain top and ate some of  that special grass. He got light
headed and now we are seeing the results. We are waiting for more of his visions. While back on earth; Today if you ask a car dealer to let you see something for 10 grand, he'll show you the door!



                                              Alfie

Well Alfie i would say we r quite fortunate to have our friend cosmic goat with us. Even though he grazes in unusual pastures. He does have quite a sense of humor and seems quite at home with our humorous jabs. He has been around thru thick and thin. How many friends can we count on like that?
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 06, 2015 10:20 am »

MISGUIDED LOYALTIES

NOVEMBER 24, 2013

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Anyone familiar with the life and writings of Simone Weil will, I am sure, agree that she was a woman of exceptional faith. She was also a woman with an unwavering commitment to the poor. But, and this may seem anomalous, she was also exceptional and unwavering in a certain resistance she had towards the institutional church. During her lifetime she longed for daily Eucharist, even as she resisted baptism and membership in the church. Why?

It wasn’t the church’s faults and failings that bothered her. She was a realist and accepted that every family and institution has its infidelities, flaws, and sin. She had little problem forgiving the church for its shortcomings. Her resistance to full genuflection within the institutional church had its root instead in a particular anxiety she felt before any social institution, that is, she saw how an uncritical patriotism or misguided loyalty often leaves individual members of an institution unable to see the sins and shortcomings within that institution. For instance, fiercely patriotic citizens can be blind to the injustices done by their own countries and deeply pious people can be constrained by their loyalty to the church so as to turn a blind eye on the church’s faults, as was the case with many saints who supported the Crusades and the Inquisition. Blind loyalty to country, church, family, or anything else, Weil believed, becomes a form of idolatry.

She’s right. Blind loyalty can easily become idolatry, despite its sincerity and high motives. It might seem wrong to criticize loyalty, but we can be too loyal, loyal to the point where our loyalty blinds us from seeing the real harm sometimes being done by those to whom we are uncritically giving that loyalty.

We are all familiar with certain axioms which each in their own way, would have loyalty trumping everything else: My country, right or wrong! The church, love it or leave it! A family’s dirty secrets need to remain inside the family; they’re nobody else’s business! But these axioms, with their naïve and uncritical call for loyalty to one’s own, are neither wise nor Christian.  Both human wisdom and Christian discipleship call us to something deeper.

All families, all countries, and all churches have their sins and shortcomings, but we show our love and loyalty when, instead of blinding our eyes to those faults, we instead challenge ourselves and everyone within that circle to look at and correct those sins and shortcomings. We can learn lessons here from Recovery and 12-Step programs. What they have learned through years of experience in dealing with dysfunction of every kind is that the loving thing to do in the face of sickness, inside of any group or relationship, is to confront that pathology. To not confront it is to enable it. Real love and real loyalty do not remain uncritical. They never say: This is my family, my country, or my church – right or wrong! Instead, when things are wrong, they tell us to show love and loyalty not by protecting our own, but by confronting what’s wrong.

That’s in fact the biblical tradition of the prophets, exactly what the prophets did. They loved their people and were fiercely loyal to their own religious tradition, but they were not so blindly loyal so as to be uncritical of the real faults inside that religious community. They were never constrained by false loyalty so as to be blind to the sins within their own religious structures and remain muted in the face of those faults. They never said of their religious tradition: Love or leave it!  Instead, they said: We need to change this – and we need to change it in the name of loyalty and love.

Jesus followed in the same path. He was faithful and loyal to Judaism, but he was not silent in the face of its faults and wrongdoings in his time. In the name of love, he challenged everything that was wrong. He taught, and taught strongly, that blind religious loyalty can be idolatry. He would be last person to teach that loyalty and love mean never criticizing your own. Indeed, he de-literalizes the meaning of family, country, and church and asks us to understand these in a higher way. He asks: Who is my mother and who are my brothers and sisters? And he goes on to say that these are not to be defined by biology, country, or religious denomination. Real family, he says, is made up by something else, namely, by those who hear the word of God and keep it, irrespective of biology, country, or religion. Consequently biology, country, and religion must be criticized and opposed whenever they stand in the way of this deeper union in faith and justice.

Blood may be thicker than water. But, for Jesus, faith and justice are thicker than blood, country, and church. Moreover, for him, genuine love and loyalty manifest themselves in a commitment to challenge things that are wrong, even when that means seeming to be disloyal to one’s own.


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« Reply #19 on: Feb 06, 2015 08:12 pm »


Intellectual study ... without a corresponding realization produces vanity and a false conviction that one knows (underlined by the Guru himself.) and is detrimental to realization...You must feel, you must realize truth before you can know it is true.... What seems true to reason and sense perception is not always true in fact. The only sure way to know truth is to realize it intuitively....You must realize the truth yourself.~Paramahansa Yogananda
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2016 01:20 pm »

Thanks, Steve. You've made some good points too, of course. It is hard to be an apologist for religion at this point because it has proved absolutely unable to help with the most important issues facing the [post]modern world. It doesn't even seem to help much with the unimportant ones these days. It seems totally out of touch with the living present. Instead it can apparently only look back, nostalgically, on the past. It really has to be said...it has become all but irrelevant. The philosopher Nietzsche was no fool when he declared "God is dead". He was saying that religion had ceased to be the center of our lives and had become only a small fractional part. He was correct. Religion is a once-a-week quirk now, on the periphery rather than at the center of our cultural universe. It is now a bit like having a quirky hobby rather than being the foundation of our entire lives. That is a condition where "god is dead, and we have killed him".

Perhaps the worst thing that religion has done is to romanticize poverty and sentimentalize human suffering. To paint it as some kind of quaint situation that makes western people feel better about not being able to afford the latest iPhone. The rich kids with their "OM" t-shirts ask the poor kids for money to give to the poor people in other countries as a U2 song plays in the background. As far as I can tell, only rich kids got to go to India and meet all the gurus back in the 70's. Only rich kids can afford to go to India now on a spiritual journey. Grinding poverty is not something romantic. It is inhuman.   

Philosophy works for some, for me it has its place.That place is a part of the activities of the mind and thought processes. Spirituality is beyond the mind and those experiences that we have in meditation are transcendental. They do not occur when the mental processes r churning. So u have philosophy and religion basically on the same level. They r both products of the mind. Spirituality is beyond mind. It is the experience of peace, bliss, joy and love and there r corresponding biological manifestations in evidence. You cannot explain such things to those who have never experienced. People think God is dead but they have never tried to still the mind. Until that has been experienced at some level it is a useless conversation if someone has no faith in what is beyond mind. Unlike philosophy the adage-- i think therefore i am-- is replaced with-- i think therefore i am restless and i experience therefore i am not.... at the very least i am not what i thought because 'I' has gone.
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