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« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2016 10:51 pm »

Steve I like some of yhe links you provided.

But I feel that we should focus more on the original point, or on another point of this thread.

For example, you cite population density, which is very different from population increase or population growth. Of course Italy has a large population density, like most European countries. There are no deserts, no large uninhabited forrests, no vast mountain ranges.

You cite the historical evolution of population, which is another widely different issue; of course population has increased orders of magnitude since the inception of known history. Again, data differ according to sources. The Italian wikipeida estimates 3 million people in Italy in the 6th century BC. It cannot have been 15 millions people in 1500 BC but probably that 's either a typo or some spurious number.
Also, I noticed that some data differ, that is probably because different agencies use different statistical projections.

What was my original contention? That Italy and other western countries presently do not contribute significantly to population increase in the world. I propose again the following graph, which displays an ever decreasing number of births since the mid sixties and a slightly increasing number of deaths until, since 1992, deaths are more numerous than births.
This would mean that population increase in Italy presently is negative.

Other projections yield positive increase which is not significant to the overall world population, like the histograms you pasted.

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« Reply #76 on: May 06, 2016 11:01 pm »

Since we are speaking of the present situation (unless we possess some time machine or we want to put under trial the old Italians), the hystogram posted by Steve underlines that in the last two years the Italian population has increased by 20 thousand people. This being a projection, that value is well inside the error range. It is equal to saying that Italy has stopped to increase its population. Population does not decrease only because of the flow of immigrants. My point here is that most probably, presently western nations are not contributing significantly to population increase. China, India, Far East Asia, Africa, Southern America. These are maybe the guilty nations.


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« Reply #77 on: May 06, 2016 11:25 pm »

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i do not believe that for one moment! There r 144 people on this forum at this moment.

Are we sure they are all people? Most of them are probably search spiders, bots and so on...

They might be influenced by the discussion though....
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« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2016 02:54 am »

If we are talking about the invasive characteristics of human beings to our world environment we can not talk about an isolated issues such as 'my country has slowed down population growth therefore the blame should b put on other nations'. If u listen to the video that b provided above OSHO believes that population should b cut down to at least one quarter of the present. i am certainly glad that i do not live in a country that has massive population density. California was out of control and Michigan is getting worst and worst. Especially since you cannot swim in any of the major rivers in the south part of the state and we often get warnings of swimming in the lakes. They are posted on trees near swimming places because of raw sewage. i remember living in Kalamazoo and having to jog on the road and to give you an example; the Catholic Church owned a huge plot of land and asked me not to jog on it because it was private property. i have often walked on the beach at Lake Michigan and people have asked me to get off their private property. Recently the water in Flint Michigan was so dangerous that the Federal Government had to come in and do something about it. The virgin timber that is in this state have all been cut down. Many of those pine trees were four foot in diameter. There is only one spot where virgin wood still stands and it is only a few acres. That is one of two still left. A good size tree now is about a foot in diameter. You see few if any big pine trees any more. The toads and crickets did not cut these trees down. From an aesthetic point of view we no longer can enjoy the beauty of the landscape.


i believe we could have millions of people disappear and it would be much better for our state and we are no where near the population density of Italy. What i mean by disappear is thru attrition thru a decrease in birth rate. If u would like i will provide statistics. Judging from our destruction of the air and the environment we could easily drop our world population by the billions. i just read an article that earthquakes are unheard of in Oklahoma but now that state is inundated with them. Why? Because of oil drilling.  California is so congested that the highway system is totally inadequate and there are no room to build more roads. The more cars on the road the more people get killed. That is a problem in all states close to us. Illinois is so congested that the people r rude when u go to Chicago and this is true in many places major highways . Many people experience this. When we used to do experiments with rats in college we found the more u put together the more they bite and snap at one another. People need space. There is no space except where it is not congenial to live. Population explosion is much more then the status quo. The status quo is what is ruining this world now not to even speak of the future. If we were to cut down population there would be extra and cheap housing so people would not be homeless also. They could move into existing structures.

Mccoy You have expressed that third world countries bear more responsibility for population growth. But let us look at it from a different perspective. Energy consumption per capita in each nation. In that sense who is most responsible for some of the things i have mentioned in this post? As you can see from the link below the U.S. and Italy bear much if not most of the responsibility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita
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« Reply #79 on: Jun 03, 2016 07:21 pm »

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pakistani-father-of-35-aims-for-100-children/ar-BBtOBGs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=wispr

How can people be so insensitive to the times and the devastation of our mother earth? Why would God listen to such stupidity? Religious duty to destroy our earth? It is easy to see how much damage one man and his idea of religion can do to us all and our earth. 

'Sardar Jan Mohammad Khilji, 46, says he believes it is his religious duty to have as many children as possible. Jan conceded that his needs may increase as his children grow and so is calling on the government to allocate funds for the food, education, and healthcare of his family -- a request that is unlikely to be fulfilled.

But Jan has faith. If the government does not listen, he said, he trusts in God to provide.

Pakistan has the highest birth rate in South Asia -- around three children per woman according to World Bank and government figures -- though an accurate census has not been conducted in more than 30 years.'
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« Reply #80 on: Jun 05, 2016 10:42 am »

Steve, the data you posted on energy use are interesting. Lots of plants do use lots of energy, so it is an index of industrialization fo a country. Also, I believe Russia is in the first places because of the huge need of heat in the winter months in its mostly cold places. They use mainly natural gas.

All other things are undoubtedly and unarguably true.  I still feel that developed countries act in an utterly irresponsible way, or are just uncapable to check demographic growth.

Western countries seem to be more responsible but are anyway congested and full of pollution. France has more than 40 nuclear power plants. That's an enormous number for a state with is far smaller than the USA. Where do they stash all the radioactive residual?

I live 5 minutes from the beach. This year though I won't send my son to the closest beach, since it suffers large pollution from fecal bacteria. I have to send him farther away, farther than the urban areas where pollution is rarer and smaller. Many coastal areas in Italy suffer the same fate. Reminiscent of the Michigan waters.
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« Reply #81 on: Jun 05, 2016 01:20 pm »

Steve, the data you posted on energy use are interesting. Lots of plants do use lots of energy, so it is an index of industrialization fo a country. Also, I believe Russia is in the first places because of the huge need of heat in the winter months in its mostly cold places. They use mainly natural gas.

All other things are undoubtedly and unarguably true.  I still feel that developed countries act in an utterly irresponsible way, or are just uncapable to check demographic growth.

Western countries seem to be more responsible but are anyway congested and full of pollution. France has more than 40 nuclear power plants. That's an enormous number for a state with is far smaller than the USA. Where do they stash all the radioactive residual?

I live 5 minutes from the beach. This year though I won't send my son to the closest beach, since it suffers large pollution from fecal bacteria. I have to send him farther away, farther than the urban areas where pollution is rarer and smaller. Many coastal areas in Italy suffer the same fate. Reminiscent of the Michigan waters.

"Lots of plants do use lots of energy" Not sure what u meant here. Actually plants absorb carbon dioxide which humans create in excess. So unlike humans they are beneficial to the atmosphere.  Plants create oxygen which is important to human life. As part of the carbon cycle, plants use light to photosynthesize carbon dioxide, turning it into carbohydrate to grow and releasing oxygen as a waste product. As a result deforestation aggravates the pollution problem further causes the greenhouse effect. Thus more humans equals less plants. It is obvious that the developed countries are much more responsible for earths atmosphere destruction then third world over populated nations because they (modernized countries) emit much more pollutants in the atmosphere per capita.
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« Reply #82 on: Jun 06, 2016 05:05 am »

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"Lots of plants do use lots of energy" Not sure what u meant here. Actually plants absorb carbon dioxide which humans create in excess. So unlike humans they are beneficial to the atmosphere.  Plants create oxygen which is important to human life. As part of the carbon cycle, plants use light to photosynthesize carbon dioxide, turning it into carbohydrate to grow and releasing oxygen as a waste product. As a result deforestation aggravates the pollution problem further causes the greenhouse effect. Thus more humans equals less plants. It is obvious that the developed countries are much more responsible for earths atmosphere destruction then third world over populated nations because they (modernized countries) emit much more pollutants in the atmosphere per capita.

Steve, the above is an interesting example of linguistical ambiguity which can lead to substantial misanderstandings.
As a matter of fact, I should have written industrial plants. Maybe 'mills' would have been more clear, or 'industries'.
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« Reply #84 on: Jun 07, 2016 05:44 pm »



Yes i see your point mccoy. What made it so difficult for me to put that together after reading your whole statement again? Do we interpret the meaning of words thru our own bias? i believe that it is something we humans do all too often. It is interesting when incidents come up to prove it. It seems best to plead ignorant if we can not put things together that others are saying---- just to b on the safe side.
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« Reply #85 on: Jun 10, 2016 11:27 pm »

Steve, I checked my post and as a mater of fact something is amiss. Like the 'un' before 'developed'. This is my editing:

Steve, the data you posted on energy use are interesting. Lots of factories do use lots of energy, so it is an index of industrialization fo a country. Also, I believe Russia is in the first places because of the huge need of heat in the winter months in its mostly cold places. They use mainly natural gas.

All other things are undoubtedly and unarguably true.  I still feel that underdeveloped countries act in an utterly irresponsible way, or are just uncapable to check demographic growth.

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« Reply #86 on: Jul 03, 2016 08:12 am »

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« Reply #87 on: Jul 11, 2016 01:32 pm »

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-citys-3-billion-wall-to-save-it-from-sea-level-rise-2016-7?yptr=yahoo?r=UK&IR=T

Will the common person b responsible for paying for the coastal regions like we were for paying for the Iraq war? People make there own mistakes congregating in such over populated areas and contributing to the population explosion that has created these environmental disasters. Let us not continue to bail out the wealthy and and support their wars.
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« Reply #88 on: Jul 12, 2016 02:07 pm »

3 Billion US$, mostly to protect Manhattan and it might not even be enough...

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There are other criticisms—the most obvious being that the Big U would serve to protect Wall Street at the expense of other parts of New York, such as Brooklyn and Queens, which were hammered during Sandy. Then there’s the fact that it’s been designed to defend against a one-in-100-year flood with 30 inches of contingency built in for sea-level rise. That’s is unlikely to be enough protection in the long-term.
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« Reply #89 on: Mar 05, 2017 12:04 pm »

Now we have an extreme challenges. Climatic change is upon us. The temperature of our earth is rising due to fossil fuels, coal and methane levels increasing in the environment. This is caused by the increase of population and the needs of mankind.

Property is difficult to buy because there is less and less available especially places that are desirable for habitat.

The oceans, rivers and lakes have become toxic because of human waste and pollution. For instance; we are unable to swim or drink out of all the major rivers in Michigan.

It is getting more and more difficult to  walk or jog anywhere because there are 'No Trespassing' signs all over in the country due to population increase.

Abortions are common since most women and men cannot afford to raise children because of over population and a lack of recourses.

In the United States...We used to be a nation that let in immigrants but we cannot afford it because the immigrants take our jobs.

We used to have plenty of property to rent or buy at cheap prices. However because of over population prices keep rising.

Our highways, roads and bridges are crowded and damaged because of over population. It is difficult to even get from one place to another in most major cities without traffic jams because of overpopulation.

There is a lack of good paying jobs because of increased technology and at the same time more population with outsourcing and robotics taking over instead of human labor.

There are less and less forests because woods are being cleared to make room for urban sprawl because of overpopulation.

Also the need to feed an increased population makes it necessary to clear huge areas of forests all around the world to have more and more cattle raising to feed meat and hamburgers to an increased population.

An increased population has led to the destruction of private business and the increase of corporate business with the result of an increasing disparity of wealth around the world.

Costs are rising to use public facilities such as parks, tolls on highways and parking facilities because of overpopulation.

Wet lands, which are a source of the many species natural life and oxygen are being cleared to make room for more population increase.

We are ruining mother earth. We have gone from 1billion people to over 8billion in just a couple of hundred years. We will destroy this earth if we keep multiplying . It is nothing less then selfish to put more children on this earth.

We now have a very selfish man who is the leader of the United States and has a large family that is only setting a very bad example to this over population problem.
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