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« Reply #15 on: Sep 02, 2015 12:08 am »

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I never have come up with a conclusive view of the constellations and their specific affects on the backdrop of the planets, Sun and Moon. I know that I would be considered a Gemini if we were to take into account procession. I have difficulty with that assessment since there are many factors that point to Cancer fitting me better. The most important is being a caregiver gor years-a real Cancer characteristic. What about you? Does Cancer fit u better?

Maybe leo fits better as a Whole. I also agree with you in that the sun sign by itself is too generic, the whole 'orrery' must be considered. I know many leos (apparently that's one of the most common signs here) but they are all pretty different with each other and I am different from them.

I have no clue about Vedic astrology. The best would be of course to have a good teacher with intuitive power. Maybe in India there may be some although not at the level of Sri Yukteswar, and surely there are some even in America. Maybe I'm going to study both astrologies when I'll have more time.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 02, 2015 03:31 am »

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I never have come up with a conclusive view of the constellations and their specific affects on the backdrop of the planets, Sun and Moon. I know that I would be considered a Gemini if we were to take into account procession. I have difficulty with that assessment since there are many factors that point to Cancer fitting me better. The most important is being a caregiver gor years-a real Cancer characteristic. What about you? Does Cancer fit u better?

Maybe leo fits better as a Whole. I also agree with you in that the sun sign by itself is too generic, the whole 'orrery' must be considered. I know many leos (apparently that's one of the most common signs here) but they are all pretty different with each other and I am different from them.

I have no clue about Vedic astrology. The best would be of course to have a good teacher with intuitive power. Maybe in India there may be some although not at the level of Sri Yukteswar, and surely there are some even in America. Maybe I'm going to study both astrologies when I'll have more time.

Nomaste Mccoy; i believe that with the energy of the two of us and maybe some others here we can learn much from Vedic astrology and perhaps have a better understanding of astrology through all of your astronomy contributions and our interest in finding the truth or at least getting a clearer view of astrology. As you know Sri Yukteswar spoke in the language of his culture and peers so I do not know his personal views of western astrology.
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 02, 2015 01:12 pm »

Thsi is a site which proposes some points in favour of astrology

http://www.near-death.com/paranormal/astrology/scientific-evidence-of-astrology.html

Nomaste Mccoy thanks for this link. It is surprising to have some scientists debunk astrology comparing signs and not even recognizing that astrology has accepted the idea of procession and knew the placement of planets and fixed stars far before scientists even dreamed of such things. Yet at one time astrology and science were inseparable. They were only separated by modern science which tried to distance itself from their idea of pseudo science. As we can see from this link; many scientific studies have proven the effects and results of astrology. 'Astrology is simply a system of thought concerning the connections between external reality and internal reality.'

Intuition and self knowledge are often far ahead of empirical  knowledge. I am very fortunate that I listened to my own intuition and followed the advice of the gurus  early in life instead of that of observation and experimentation. While they are helpful tools to arrive at knowledge they fall way behind the wisdom of meditation and the great eastern masters that gave it to us.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 03, 2015 12:53 am »

Steve, what is really surprising is that scientists use  pure intuition to get to the most important discoveries in the physical sciences. Yet the same scientists often criticize intuition when applied to the knowledge of metaphysical truth.

Again, not everyone is the same. But today's academic world frowns upon physical scientists speaking about God, subject striclty pertinent to philosophers. A few centuries ago, scientists were also philosophers and nobody minded. And interesting enough, philosophers often make ample use of scinetific material to try and prove their metaphysical hypotheses.
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 03, 2016 12:58 pm »

Steve, what is really surprising is that scientists use  pure intuition to get to the most important discoveries in the physical sciences. Yet the same scientists often criticize intuition when applied to the knowledge of metaphysical truth.

Again, not everyone is the same. But today's academic world frowns upon physical scientists speaking about God, subject striclty pertinent to philosophers. A few centuries ago, scientists were also philosophers and nobody minded. And interesting enough, philosophers often make ample use of scinetific material to try and prove their metaphysical hypotheses.

The intersting phenomena about astrology is it is very emperical and physical in its assesment about the angular relationship between planets. This works out both in natal charts and in predictive astrology which is called 'transits'. In many ways it is much more clear cut then modern science which has the view that even the observer affects the observed. There is that element of subjectivity in all realms of human phenomena. Science has only begun to understand this. Yet the angular relationships hold true in both vedic and western astrology free of any signs which is a more murky subject. We must accept that any 'science' understanding the human dimension which is called psychology cannot fit so neatly under the physical sciences. Because a human is quite noticably different then the physical world it lives in. There is an added dimension which is spiritual. Can we say this as easily for its recognition in phydical phenomrena? No we cannot because there is the element of awareness and reflection on that awareness which is uniquely human.
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