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« on: Sep 18, 2015 07:37 pm »

SRF offers Kriya technique thru a mailed out hard copy.

Lahiri hard core followers will say that it must be given face to face. This makes sense as Lahiri himself gave individualized Kriya (based on possibly that persons abilities and current progress, I'm guessing here)

I wonder how effective and accurate the mailed out version is, for me.



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« Reply #1 on: Sep 19, 2015 02:55 pm »

SRF offers Kriya technique thru a mailed out hard copy.

Lahiri hard core followers will say that it must be given face to face. This makes sense as Lahiri himself gave individualized Kriya (based on possibly that persons abilities and current progress, I'm guessing here)

I wonder how effective and accurate the mailed out version is, for me.

One of the first questions we may ask ourselves is how possible is it to meet such people and to be in their presence for any amount of time? It is easy for some hard core followers to say such things as you mentioned because they are living in India near such people. i do not know how Lahiri's followers are disseminating Kriya today. Perhaps you do. It is interesting to me that you ask the question; 'I wonder how effective and accurate the mailed out version is, for me.' Only you will know and no one else.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 19, 2015 10:37 pm »


It is interesting to me that you ask the question; 'I wonder how effective and accurate the mailed out version is, for me.' Only you will know and no one else.


Well some things I do find out on my own but this is a topic I've been thinking about for a while now and the only answer I have so far was to ask here.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 19, 2015 11:05 pm »

Well some things I do find out on my own but this is a topic I've been thinking about for a while now and the only answer I have so far was to ask here.

SI, to me it was effective. that is, after reading the lessons, I was able to perform kryia correctly, as I ascertained during an initiation and a revision by a monk.
The explanations in the lessons are pretty clear.
You may start on your own and have yourself checked by a monk as soon as the opportunity arises.
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 20, 2015 08:09 am »

Yes it's effective, and the explanations are clear.

Sure I could try and track down a monk somewhere. Hmm.

But as I mentioned, it seems to me that since it could be given individually, there could be many variations.

So, that would mean the SRF version is one of those variations, and, possibly edited in order for it to be as effective as possible thru the mail.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 20, 2015 09:09 am »

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But as I mentioned, it seems to me that since it could be given individually, there could be many variations.

So, that would mean the SRF version is one of those variations, and, possibly edited in order for it to be as effective as possible thru the mail.


I don't know actually, it may be a plausible hypothesis. The SRF kryia Yoga as far as I know is different from the Kryia yoga thaught by babaji to Lahiri MAhashaya. Especially in the kechari mudra detail. This in order for it to be as effective as possible in the West, not just thru the mail.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 20, 2015 12:48 pm »

Well some things I do find out on my own but this is a topic I've been thinking about for a while now and the only answer I have so far was to ask here.

SI, to me it was effective. that is, after reading the lessons, I was able to perform kryia correctly, as I ascertained during an initiation and a revision by a monk.
The explanations in the lessons are pretty clear.
You may start on your own and have yourself checked by a monk as soon as the opportunity arises.

While this is true it should be added that unlike everything else there is to learn in the SRF lessons a requirement of Kriya Yoga is accepting Paramahansa Yogananda as your Guru. This comes with many ideas of what loyalty means and what SRFers think and interpret loyalty to mean. Also what Paramahansa actually meant by having this requirement. Many other Gurus do not require this commitment for their meditation techniques.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 20, 2015 08:18 pm »

While this is true it should be added that unlike everything else there is to learn in the SRF lessons a requirement of Kriya Yoga is accepting Paramahansa Yogananda as your Guru. This comes with many ideas of what loyalty means and what SRFers think and interpret loyalty to mean. Also what Paramahansa actually meant by having this requirement. Many other Gurus do not require this commitment for their meditation techniques.

Not to digress too much, but the Guru is really in the end God himself? Maybe that's where the requirement differences come in.
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 21, 2015 12:33 am »

Not to digress too much, but the Guru is really in the end God himself? Maybe that's where the requirement differences come in.

As far as I know the guru is the middleman, the intermediary between God and the disciple. So it is incorrect to identify the guru with God.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 15, 2015 05:02 am »

Not to digress too much, but the Guru is really in the end God himself? Maybe that's where the requirement differences come in.

As far as I know the guru is the middleman, the intermediary between God and the disciple. So it is incorrect to identify the guru with God.

Mrinalini Ma said the Guru is God himself. Is that not what Christ said? When you have seen me you have seen the father.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 15, 2015 01:10 pm »

Not to digress too much, but the Guru is really in the end God himself? Maybe that's where the requirement differences come in.

As far as I know the guru is the middleman, the intermediary between God and the disciple. So it is incorrect to identify the guru with God.

Mrinalini Ma said the Guru is God himself. Is that not what Christ said? When you have seen me you have seen the father.

We may talk about that in different ways. In everyday speech I think it may be legitimate to say so.

In rigorous philosophical talk, God is one entity, different from the individualized soul.

Drawing from Yogananda's talks: the wave is not the ocean. The wave is part of the ocean but the single wave cannot be identified with the whole vast ocean.

In scientific terms: the sea wave is a perturbation in the water mass of the ocean, it is made up of the same marine water but it is not the ocean, it is a limited part of the ocean whose water particles are being displaced in periodic fashion.



Now, does a Guru, if being a completely liberated soul retain his wave-like individuality: according to Yogananda yes, so it is not rigorous to say that he is God, he is identified with God as an ocean wave can be identified with the ocean, although remaining separate concepts and entitites.

If the Guru did not attain total liberation, then I daresay the above issue is moot, since there is not even identification with God, the individual and the cosmic soul remain separate from the residual layers of MAya.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 16, 2015 02:54 am »

Your last post was so enlightening mccoy. I remember being around some of Amma's devotees who told me that Amma had said she was Paramahansa Yogananda. I thought it a bit strange at first. Then I saw her in person and asked her; Mother are you Paramahansa Yogananda? Mother have you been Paramahansa Yogananda? Mother has  Paramahansa Yogananda become you? Something  along those  lines . .. which she replied to: " yes! yes! yes! " and then told me to set beside her. Look at the ocean again my friend-in your diagram above. If one becomes one with all this great body of ocean of being...one could truly be everything that's in this huge body of ocean and take on any wave  it so chooses.

Phoenix Rising; God can walk on this earth at any time in any form he so chooses that is what I believe you were saying. Think of it; to have that presence amongst us in physical form.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 16, 2015 05:00 am »

Yes. The guru has become one with God. He walks among us. Does that mean that God is limited to that form which will one day pass from this earth? No. The guru is one with God. Just like the salt water in a bottle once uncorked has become one with the ocean.  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 16, 2015 06:10 am »

Yes. The guru has become one with God. He walks among us. Does that mean that God is limited to that form which will one day pass from this earth? No. The guru is one with God. Just like the salt water in a bottle once uncorked has become one with the ocean.  Wink

Thanks for reminding us of our path towards liberation. The guru holds the key to the door and can turn that key.
All we must do is follow him/ her to that door.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 22, 2016 05:12 am »


Mrinalini Ma said the Guru is God himself. Is that not what Christ said? When you have seen me you have seen the father.

i have seen what Paramahansa Yogananda can do. That is enough to convince me he is one with God. But the strangest thing happened when i saw Amma in the flesh. She said she was Paramahansa Yogananda when i asked her... "Yes Yes Yes All the same." She said and told me to set down beside her.
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