Communication

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

Or perhaps you are agreeing with me that it is enough to work on ourselves?

Yeah I was agreeing with you on that.

Thanks b. Conversation on the physical plain is often frought with misunderstandings. It is nice to see people having understanding. Some people will not even attempt to reach out and find 'common ground'.

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

My sense of what is important in communication has changed thru the years. Perhaps it is because we are maturing. It seems to me that the most important thing is my communication with God and Spirit which needs constant attention. We can often think that we have done something 'wrong' if someone does not communicate with us that we have known. Especially if they cut us off. However this is not always the case. Sometimes people are just going thru things that just do not include us or they have found someone else or something else to replace us temporarily or even permanently.

Although when it comes to God and our spiritual guides and those trying to emulate their characteristics....i think it is quite a bit different. That is because in the expansion of spirit there is the ability to communicate with many souls simultaneously. i think we have cause to be concerned when we have no communication with spirit. That is why so many of us here spend so much time in listening to the voice of spirit and stilling our own thoughts so it is possible and we are receptive.

i have seen many people throughout the years and they have different kinds of magnetism. i have been attracted to some of them for the wrong reasons. Just like people were attracted to Hitler at one time we too can be attracted to people and figures (because of personal and mass karma) in the media and in our life who may not be spiritual or have spiritual values. Like many of us it has taken me a while to develop my own spiritual values and many of my old values were rigid and did not fit every situation. So... i had to revise them.

i can still picture some people in my life who were not necessarily physically attractive but nevertheless were kind. i believe kindness has been a value i have been working at and it is a quality that i find very attractive in other people. Much more attractive then physical attraction because physical attraction can hide a beast within. We can never be too careful because we may activate a mine field when walking thru the beautiful countryside.

If i can be kind in my communication then i have made some spiritual strides. One important quality of kindness is letting others communicate or not communicate in their own time and at their own discretion. Just a few thoughts here today. Hope you have yours as well! Sometimes this type of free association results in a better understanding for us all. It can be somewhat like channeling... you're not sure why you are expressing it but it reveals something that can help our personal growth. i have often seen our friend Eric use this technique i have found it helpful.

[SI]

My sense of what is important in communication has changed thru the years. Perhaps it is because we are maturing. It seems to me that the most important thing is my communication with God and Spirit which needs constant attention.


That is why so many of us here spend so much time in listening to the voice of spirit and stilling our own thoughts so it is possible and we are receptive.

taking parts of what you said out of context, sorry in advance, but I just thought,

I wonder if we make this communication with God harder than it needs to be. I mean meditation does take will power, concentration, and it's not easy to clear restless thoughts.

God is right here right now, can we not let Him work thru us always and not worry so much that we need to contact Him thru meditation?

This is not a knock on meditation, to me it helps a lot to bring me closer, even PY says to bring that feeling with you after meditation and hang on to it...

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

My sense of what is important in communication has changed thru the years. Perhaps it is because we are maturing. It seems to me that the most important thing is my communication with God and Spirit which needs constant attention.


That is why so many of us here spend so much time in listening to the voice of spirit and stilling our own thoughts so it is possible and we are receptive.

taking parts of what you said out of context, sorry in advance, but I just thought,

I wonder if we make this communication with God harder than it needs to be. I mean meditation does take will power, concentration, and it's not easy to clear restless thoughts.

God is right here right now, can we not let Him work thru us always and not worry so much that we need to contact Him thru meditation?

This is not a knock on meditation, to me it helps a lot to bring me closer, even PY says to bring that feeling with you after meditation and hang on to it...

It is very difficult to find this 'connection' without meditation that is because the world constantly crowds in with information and stories that make us believe the senses and what they witness is true. In this world we have nothing but the senses to validate our experiences. But the senses do not tell us the truth but rather take us further into Maya.

When we are able to withdraw the senses and the biological and mental processes we can enter our true identity in spirit. This can only be done by entering these states of consciousness that take place during meditation and deep ecstasy. Quite often this experience percolates into our conscious state if we have been practicing meditation for some time.

God is obviously working thru all of us at some level. The point is this: How much are we conscious of the fact that God is working thru us in our actions motives and thoughts? Many of us believe that our actions are directed by God and are far from that reality. One only has to look at all the wars going on in the Mideast to witness this.... and they all believe they are carrying out God's will! Something is very skewed in our thinking to believe that we know God's will but to have strife with those around us simultaneously.

We can practice his presence in our daily activities and in our service which can help our contactand to gain awareness when we carry out our activities during the day. Most of us-including me-need constant reminders; From my point of view this is one of the main purposes of spiritualportal.net

SI; You speak of 'worrying' about contacting God in meditation. My worry? Yours? Both of ours? Wouldn't that be a bit of a contradiction? i mean the point is to get beyond worry! Hope we are not worrying about it! Yogananda spoke of the cause of worry as a result of being too much in the senses and too much in the nerves. Perhaps it would be better if we thought of it as intensity and remembrance in our practice.

[SI]

God is obviously working thru all of us at some level. The point is this: How much are we conscious of the fact that God is working thru us in our actions motives and thoughts? Many of us believe that our actions are directed by God and are far from that reality. One only has to look at all the wars going on in the Mideast to witness this.... and they all believe they are carrying out God's will! Something is very skewed in our thinking to believe that we know God's will but to have strife with those around us simultaneously.

He wants to let us allow Him to work thru us, but many decide to take things into their own hands, that's all.

SI; You speak of 'worrying' about contacting God in meditation. My worry? Yours? Both of ours? Wouldn't that be a bit of a contradiction? i mean the point is to get beyond worry! Hope we are not worrying about it! Yogananda spoke of the cause of worry as a result of being too much in the senses and too much in the nerves. Perhaps it would be better if we thought of it as intensity and remembrance in our practice.

I dont worry in that context, was the wrong word to use. PY says to hold onto that feeling after meditation as long as you can, that is effectively knowing God is here right now in the world we must live in and be a part of without running to a cave.

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

God is obviously working thru all of us at some level. The point is this: How much are we conscious of the fact that God is working thru us in our actions motives and thoughts? Many of us believe that our actions are directed by God and are far from that reality. One only has to look at all the wars going on in the Mideast to witness this.... and they all believe they are carrying out God's will! Something is very skewed in our thinking to believe that we know God's will but to have strife with those around us simultaneously.

He wants to let us allow Him to work thru us, but many decide to take things into their own hands, that's all.

SI; You speak of 'worrying' about contacting God in meditation. My worry? Yours? Both of ours? Wouldn't that be a bit of a contradiction? i mean the point is to get beyond worry! Hope we are not worrying about it! Yogananda spoke of the cause of worry as a result of being too much in the senses and too much in the nerves. Perhaps it would be better if we thought of it as intensity and remembrance in our practice.

I dont worry in that context, was the wrong word to use. PY says to hold onto that feeling after meditation as long as you can, that is effectively knowing God is here right now in the world we must live in and be a part of without running to a cave.

i agree with you Si and appreciate your continued spiritual and financial support (to this forum), concern, input and friendship. i have seen spiritual aspirants try to 'take things in their own hands' as you put it, in their personal life and on spiritual forums as well. i have experienced this and have seen it done to other members here on the forum. It is an abuse of power and there are those who do it with no explanation.

President Obama recently made this comment; "I reject any effort to spread fear or encourage violence or to shut people down when they are trying to speak or turn Americans against one another," Obama told the bipartisan crowd of lawmakers gathered to celebrate St. Patrick's Day.

Many spiritual aspirants also 'shut people down when they are trying to speak' This is definitely not a spiritual attribute we witness in others and we must be sure that we ourselves give others the chance to speak their minds. We have those in our spiritual community who also try to turn one person against another. No wonder we see it manifesting in the national and international arena as well.

i want everyone to know that we have not shut anyone down here at spiritualportal.net The most action we ever have taken is to eliminate vulgarity and blatant obscenity. We have not cut others out either. Even after such language was used their membership with us remains intact. People who have left us for a time may have lost their extended privileges as moderators or administrators as others who are participating help us out more . However they are always welcome and able to get to have these privileges back if they should decide to participate again and want them.

On this Easter Sunday we remember the message of Jesus and how he himself was cut out of the lives of his friends and was stopped from speaking. Today though we know the significance of his words and what he went through to continue expressing the truth.

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

It is interesting that some people encourage communication on the one hand but close it down and will not allow it on the other hand. A bit of double speak. It is as though they want to communicate but it must be on their terms. In many incidents they actually will not even allow others to communicate because it is not done in a way that they see fit. They may not even give an explanation for their behavior.... Expecting somehow that others can read their minds or that others should have understood. It is a most peculiar phenomena that leads to isolation and closes them to the objective reality that others indeed have legitimate yet different views and it brings separation and division in relationships.

When people do this to us we will find that often these doors are being closed and others are being opened for us. We are spared the limitations that others place on spiritual awakening when they create an enforced vacuum with unwritten and unspoken parameters placed on spiritual associations and spiritual expansion.  It gives inversions of meanings to words expressed.  For instance let us have 'war for peace' or in this case do not communicate with certain others to facilitate our kind of communication. It is fortunate for us that we have an open means of communication here and allow others differing views.

i do not believe that this has ever happened here at spirualportal. If it has i hope to be told about it. Diversity and contrast help our growing awareness. Members or non members can always reach me by email if not here on the forum at ombabaji@hotmail.com about any such concerns. i see this as an important feature to follow since some people silence others with no explanation and i have seen it happen to others and myself.

We see that nations today control the media and the the citizens rights to communicate ideas. No wonder it takes place on the national and international scenes when we see it being implemented in personal relationships and even on small forums. There are also people who encourage it by knowingly and silently supporting people, forums, parties organizations and nations who resort to these kind of tactics. This kind of procedure and posture is indicative of a cloak and dagger approach to others and is certainly not spiritual in any way shape or form.

[SI]

It may be as simple as some folk just do not understand you, so they take things in their own perception. It may not be purposeful, but just a lot of misunderstandings and inexperience.

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

It may be as simple as some folk just do not understand you, so they take things in their own perception. It may not be purposeful, but just a lot of misunderstandings and inexperience.

Thank-You for your insights SI. They are helpful!

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

OK well since I didn't hear from back from you the mind draws conclusions.

Yes i understand. But can u see it from my point of view? It is nice that u will communicate here. Many friends will not which makes communicating all the more challenging since we have to have time to take care of the responsibilities of our life as well. Communication and friendship has taken on a whole new dimension since the advent of the internet. Now we can communicate with many people and gain many friendships. Although many people still prefer to live in the past and old ways of communicating others refuse to communicate unless it is on their terms.

[the 10 moods of dr. kook]

OK well since I didn't hear from back from you the mind draws conclusions.

Yes i understand. But can u see it from my point of view? It is nice that u will communicate here. Many friends will not which makes communicating all the more challenging since we have to have time to take care of the responsibilities of our life as well. Communication and friendship has taken on a whole new dimension since the advent of the internet. Now we can communicate with many people and gain many friendships. Although many people still prefer to live in the past and old ways of communicating others refuse to communicate unless it is on their terms.

My communication takes place with my toes then if everything is working i may decide to communicate with my favorite tree. I also communicate with spirits in the cemetery and I have small fish that i get on with just fine. It depends on which kooky mood I am in.

                                                            The most noted moods of Dr. Kook

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

OK well since I didn't hear from back from you the mind draws conclusions.

Yes i understand. But can u see it from my point of view? It is nice that u will communicate here. Many friends will not which makes communicating all the more challenging since we have to have time to take care of the responsibilities of our life as well. Communication and friendship has taken on a whole new dimension since the advent of the internet. Now we can communicate with many people and gain many friendships. Although many people still prefer to live in the past and old ways of communicating others refuse to communicate unless it is on their terms.

My communication takes place with my toes then if everything is working i may decide to communicate with my favorite tree. I also communicate with spirits in the cemetery and I have small fish that i get on with just fine. It depends on which kooky mood I am in.

                                                            The most noted moods of Dr. Kook

i kinda sort of...but not really... understand. i really like bird talk and hugging a tree and giving it love.

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

I can't imagine who else these visitors would be, other than friends of Steve (why don't they log in and say hi?). For all I know he may have many friends checking in with him here. I don't know.

This is a very interesting point. i do not know how many people others have invited to this site but i invite people daily. Many of them do check out the site. Many of them join. Few communicate here. You cannot make people communicate the way you want. You (Brock) and SI have an interest in the internet because you work with it day in and day out. However i do not see your closest friends and associates communicating here in abundance. We often have to accept others on other terms since they serve important functions in our lives. Many people r frustrated with the internet... posts that disappear... passwords that r lost... computers that do not work for one reason or another.... scams... etc. Many people r tied into old ways of communication that friends may have had for years and years. This does not stop them from becoming members here and looking in from the outside.

i wish it could b different but this world is not set up according to my dictates. i see friends who have faded out of my life because they just would not meet me part of the way with my requests for communicating here. They still 'Do not do the internet thing or the forum thing.' It is quite like saying 'I don't do the phone thing' when phones first came into use. i have always seen myself as open to new inventions and new and progressive ways of doing things. However not everyone feels that way. i have found that many many people do not. With a new generation may come a new way of viewing communication. This too will someday be out dated. However for present purposes it is a satisfactory way to bring many people together with common interests and to communicate in numbers whereas phone calls, letters and meeting people are much more limited in practical terms of availability and sheer numbers of friends.

There is one more point here which i feel may be the most important point of all. We are but a zephyr blowing in on the western horizon. However we r part of a great pioneering movement. This movement will be like a mighty wind in times to come. Like any pioneering movement it is yet limited in numbers. Yet we are privileged to b able to see towards the future and represent it now.

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

i recently emailed this letter to a friend;

i know u have said that sometimes email is not the best way to communicate. That is y i have used the spiritualportal.net so well. i have met spiritual aspirants from all over the world there. Communication is much different today then when u and i spent time together. We can have many more friends by communicating with several of them at a time.  Some people want to stay in the past and spend time on the phone and seeing one another. There is nothing wrong with this however is is very difficult to spend so much personal time with another human being and simultaneously get our responsibilities done and have the enjoyment of other friends as well. Especially if there is no reciprocity in communication. Just some thoughts i wanted to share with you. i think i will put a similar post on spiritualportal.net!

[Jitendra Hy-do-u-no-us?]

SI recently u told me that forums r difficult to communicate on. Yet u offered no solution. i asked a good friend of mine if she was going to vote (she does not like the options) this next presidential election. She said any body that does not vote has no rite to complain. What usually happens to people who can find nothing more to do then complain and have criticisms about communication at distances is that they fall back into a pattern of living a very private life sheltered from views with others. However interaction with others at a distance brings an expanded awareness and ability to deal with socially challenging situations which is a reality of life. It brings together people with similar spiritual views. Otherwise we may be faced with more and more local folks who have no idea what we experience nor will they help us in our spiritual pursuits. It is even more difficult to communicate with such people who do not even have a clue as to what we r about.