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« Reply #15 on: Jun 08, 2016 12:08 am »

First of all, a 'Guru' must have credibility. A couple of examples of gurus or self-proclaimed gurus who lost all credibility: Osho and Kryiananda. Credibility is defined by a set of conditions which must be satisfied

Some might say that credibility may be acceptable to some that are satisfied "good enough".

For example, a single perceptible negative statement made by someone about a guru or spiritual person, might be enough to hurt credibility. But some may find a statement like that does not affect their own overall satisfaction. Maybe due to the many positive things they have experienced, a negative here or there is OK.

But back to "How do we know if any guru or any scripture is truth?"

Some guru's may have had a few mishaps, but does that make what they say is truth, an untruth? I know I hear things and yes it does hurt credibility.


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« Reply #16 on: Jun 08, 2016 12:16 am »

Personally, I of course found Yogananda credible, even though I realized, by cross references, that he tends to depict facts in a glamorous way in his Autobiography. A tad too glamorous, but there he has the specific purpose to attract the right people people.

Yes I often wonder if some folks view parts of ABOY as metaphorical vs literally, or is it supposed to be?

well let's face it, even the old testament and other scriptures folks take literally and take the translation based on that.
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« Reply #17 on: Jun 08, 2016 01:19 am »

You are judge, jury, and executioner.
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« Reply #18 on: Jun 08, 2016 01:56 am »

You are judge, jury, and executioner.

Not knowing if any guru or any scripture is absolute truth, how then do we know the self (or what's left) is knowing truth?
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« Reply #19 on: Jun 08, 2016 01:57 am »

The reason why gurus so often let people down is because people have idealized, unrealistic - yes, childish - expectations for them.
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« Reply #20 on: Jun 08, 2016 06:59 am »

The reason why gurus so often let people down is because people have idealized, unrealistic - yes, childish - expectations for them.

I have followed gurus since I was young. I have never felt let down. On the contrary I have my life to owe them. They have done more for me then I ever expected. Life has really changed for me because of them. I am also ☺ for u in what appeals to u about krishnamurti
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« Reply #21 on: Jun 08, 2016 07:59 am »

I just happen to agree with him on some things.
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« Reply #22 on: Jun 09, 2016 11:31 pm »

How do we know if any guru or any scripture is truth?

First of all, a 'Guru' must have credibility. A couple of examples of gurus or self-proclaimed gurus who lost all credibility: Osho and Kryiananda. Credibility is defined by a set of conditions which must be satisfied

My credibility i put at a high premium. Anyone who watches my films will know that. Just follow me mccoy and you will never be left astray. I have great plans for you and your house. We will make it into a  Horror Amusement Park. OSHO governs workers safety.  I will be your GURU and lead you from the harsh light of day to the mellow horror of night. All these other Gurus you speak of we can make Halloween masks for them to celebrate the dark days ahead.
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« Reply #23 on: Jun 10, 2016 12:33 am »


Osho Rajneesh has turned out to be even worse than Kryiananda, although the latter would have liked to possess the material riches and the favour of as many female disciples as Osho Rajneesh enjoyed.


Fixed that for you.
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 10, 2016 12:39 am »


My credibility i put at a high premium. Anyone who watches my films will know that. Just follow me mccoy and you will never be left astray. I have great plans for you and your house. We will make it into a  Horror Amusement Park. OSHO governs workers safety.  I will be your GURU and lead you from the harsh light of day to the mellow horror of night. All these other Gurus you speak of we can make Halloween masks for them to celebrate the dark days ahead.

Hey hitchy, you got a crow on your back or somethin?
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« Reply #25 on: Jun 10, 2016 05:37 am »

Do you notice how most people alternate between extreme idealization of gurus to extreme villianization?
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« Reply #26 on: Jun 10, 2016 05:51 am »

Do you notice how most people alternate between extreme idealization of gurus to extreme villianization?

Well that's one game you don't with to play with people, if you're found to be a phony when it comes to a guru or spiritual teacher, you better hide somewhere.

There's other examples that are not guru related, remember Tonya Harding?
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« Reply #27 on: Jun 10, 2016 06:03 am »

Makes me think of this poem attributed to Chaung Tzu.



He who rules men lives in confusion;
He who is ruled by men lives in sorrow.
Yao therefore desired
Neither to influence others
Nor to be influenced by them.
The way to get clear of confusion
And free of sorrow
Is to live with Tao
In the land of the great Void.

If a man is crossing a river
And an empty boat collides with his own skiff,
Even though he be a bad-tempered man
He will not become very angry.
But if he sees a man in the boat,
He will shout at him to steer clear.
If the shout is not heard, he will shout again,
And yet again, and begin cursing.
And all because there is somebody in the boat.
Yet if the boat were empty.
He would not be shouting, and not angry.

If you can empty your own boat
Crossing the river of the world,
No one will oppose you,
No one will seek to harm you.

The straight tree is the first to be cut down,
The spring of clear water is the first to be drained dry.
If you wish to improve your wisdom
And shame the ignorant,
To cultivate your character
And outshine others;
A light will shine around you
As if you had swallowed the sun and the moon:
You will not avoid calamity.

A wise man has said:
“He who is content with himself
Has done a worthless work.
Achievement is the beginning of failure.
Fame is beginning of disgrace.”

Who can free himself from achievement
And from fame, descend and be lost
Amid the masses of men?
He will flow like Tao, unseen,
He will go about like Life itself
With no name and no home.
Simple is he, without distinction.
To all appearances he is a fool.
His steps leave no trace. He has no power.
He achieves nothing, has no reputation.
Since he judges no one
No one judges him.
Such is the perfect man:
His boat is empty.

-Chuang Tzu

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« Reply #28 on: Jun 10, 2016 06:15 am »

That poem seems pretty anti-american. By the way, I do remember something of the Tonya Harding controversy. One of many ongoing, with no end in sight. Whether it's a guru having sex or a politician with a private email server...There is no grand battle between good and evil. I think that must be one of the last delusions to go. It was hard for me to fully grok. We dream up the heros and the villians. There is only insight and intelligence; ignorance and imbalance; no good and evil as people have come to believe over the past 1000 years or so. Seems pretty clear to me.   
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« Reply #29 on: Jun 10, 2016 06:38 am »

That poem seems pretty anti-american. By the way, I do remember something of the Tonya Harding controversy. One of many ongoing, with no end in sight. Whether it's a guru having sex or a politician with a private email server...There is no grand battle between good and evil. I think that must be one of the last delusions to go. It was hard for me to fully grok. We dream up the heros and the villians. There is only insight and intelligence; ignorance and imbalance; no good and evil as people have come to believe over the past 1000 years or so. Seems pretty clear to me.   

Well it may be that light/dark, hot/cold, good/evil etc., are here in this physical plane, no matter how advanced you are. But the next plane is where there is no arrogance, sorrow, etc., I think that's where those things really vaporize. Hopefully we'll have filled the earthly desire or learned enough to not go thru it again.
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