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« on: Dec 03, 2016 08:16 pm »

In the culture we are brought up in we are conditioned to achieve rather than be but perhaps being is more important than achieving. Now we have leaders that are achievers but what are they achieving? The destruction of our planet? The message they are sending to the public may be very destructive in some very important ways. What will they have to take with them in all their achievements?  Perhaps it's much better to be a be-er than an achiever. Being is a result of practicing meditation and long years of spiritual awareness. Meditation is not achieving but rather recognizing what already are. Achieving is an effort of the will to produce something on Earth which has dual characteristics as all things do; positive and negative sorrow and joy poor and rich building and entropy. We continue to see the results of achieving- building and growing only causes more destruction to our environment and less places to enjoy nature.
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 03, 2016 08:58 pm »

This post from you is a breathe of fresh air. I needed to hear the reminder today. I disagree with only one part - about that years and years of practice. That is another form of achieving. It is just restlessness and craving, and doesn't need be there but perhaps usually always is for most of us until many years of frustration. Ramana realized it at sixteen. The point is there is really nothing new to attain as being is, by definition, already the case.

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« Reply #2 on: Dec 04, 2016 01:27 am »

Brock if you can do it without practice you have one over me. We have such a warped view of things that it takes some readjusting to find out who and what we are. Realizing just how messed up we are may take life times. Then again it can happen in this moment. The moment we realize who we are. The problem is that many people feel that they have it and are enlightened right now but really they are dangerous to themselves and others because they are deluded.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 04, 2016 02:16 am »

It is an interesting paradox. Like, Ramana said that it is here and now, and the belief that is not is the delusion. Yet, he also said effort and perseverance were necessary. It is a paradox. This notion is in line with Vedanta which asserts that anything which changes must not be real. Eternity must always be present, even now, otherwise there is a gap in its coverage and hence it is not eternal. Eternity cannot be related to time at all. What I take from the paradox presented by sages like Ramana and others, coupled with what I've observed in myself, is that the many longings and yearnings - desires - are itself a kind of mental delusion which only seems to obstruct what is here and now (but really doesn't - another paradox). And since those longings and yearnings are so deeply cherished and believed in, it might take some gradual process of disillusionment, frustration, or even satisfaction before one is ready to give them up. Until then, they will keep pulling on the mind and making it agitated.
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