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« Reply #15 on: Jan 09, 2017 05:15 am »

You seem to be having a conversation, not with me, but with every person you've ever talked to on the subject. You also think I "appear to make sacred" the word science. I have done no such thing. Also, I have not written books called "The Holy Science", "The Science of Religion", etc. Do your teachers "appear to make sacred" the word science? It sure does get used in a lot of their book titles. Yogananda's whole selling point in the west had to do with making religion scientific. Are you really trying to give me a lecture on glorifying science?

Yes, it is interesting that astrology is taught in universities and schools. Can you share some links or more information about that? Thanks.

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You really make me laugh sometimes ***** LOL. I think the times we are funniest is when we do not even try. I do not know if you know how much I am actually laughing.

O.K. here we go. Do you really think I am here to defend Paramahansa Yogananda and Sri Yukteswar or for that matter they even need my defense? Do I look like a candidate for guru cult worship as you would put it? I am merely telling you my experiences with scientists. Someone else may have very different experiences. What is wonderful about this type of communicating is that it is not all personal in nature. We can and are communicating with a larger audience. You don't like my lectures? LOL I feel quite the same about yours 😅 i suppose we must both endure one another! 😂 It could be quite a trial for both of us. Don't you think? 😋 By the way it is a shame that you are not the author of such books as the Holy Science and the Science of Religion because if you had been I would have been following you and not the author's that wrote those books. But alas you did not write them so I am getting quite a kick out of this....  our conversation. 😁 Go ahead feed me more chicken feed. Cock a doodle doooo. 😆
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 09, 2017 05:45 am »

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 09, 2017 06:01 am »

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« Reply #18 on: Jan 09, 2017 06:26 am »

If you find my posts something to "endure" or "chicken feed," whatever that means, then I simply will stop wasting our time by posting. It is pretty simple.

As you plainly saw, I prefer not to have my name being used on here a lot. Rather than bother everyone about it, I added some code to change it to my username whenever it is used. You then decided to spell it out with spaces, which I think is pretty rude of you.

I was laughing with you for a minute, but I think I'm done here.
 
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 09, 2017 08:43 am »

If you find my posts something to "endure" or "chicken feed," whatever that means, then I simply will stop wasting our time by posting. It is pretty simple.

As you plainly saw, I prefer not to have my name being used on here a lot. Rather than bother everyone about it, I added some code to change it to my username whenever it is used. You then decided to spell it out with spaces, which I think is pretty rude of you.

I was laughing with you for a minute, but I think I'm done here.
 

😁 Go ahead feed me more chicken feed. Cock a doodle doooo. 😆

Are you really trying to give me a lecture on glorifying science?

If you really think I am lecturing you maybe I should stop posting. I really have no lecture to give. Just observations in my life.  I also remember many other things that you've said about me that were not friendly. If I were to take them seriously would I still be posting after your responses? The fact is I have never even been mad at you and blown up over anything you have said whereas you have and simply told me that you were mad and having once expressed it you let it go. I am glad you told me that when it does not appear you have....to someone else that has left. Now I can't joke around with you without your threatening to stop posting? One thing is very important about joking around or getting mad about anything; not to take it personally. We have already seen that happen with other members. But I thought you were above that! That is one of the most important lessons of meditation: not to take things personally. It is something you and i and everyone needs to be mindful of. Once we no longer can laugh then we have lost our sense of humor. When we cannot laugh at ourselves we have really lost the lightness and joy of life. You and I have seen people loose this. It is sad indeed! When we are having fun and we must constantly check what we are about to say because it might be taken seriously by another then the spontaneity is taken out of relationships. I have seen it my life. So you see I was just having fun and thought you were as well as we have many times in the past.

That is the best part of our friendship ding dong. You have much to contribute but we will never know who to ascribe it too if you change your name again. Should that be what you want just tell us. You need not go into other people's posts and change words around to do so.....However your methods may be to change other peoples posts.  Since you never told me I had no way of knowing your intentions. In fact Eric once suggested to me that I call you by name. So I am not the only one who isn't psychic and I started calling him and you by name regularly after that. I may seem to be psychic but I am not privy to reading your mind. In fact I interpreted it quite differently which made me laugh. Sorry that there was no joke to find. Altough you can clearly see by the faces I put in my posts that I was laughing. Still you must remember I have been smiling and laughing up till the time that I see you are taking things seriously. So what choice have I? If I need to be careful of everything I say with you. So be it. From this moment on no more joking? This is serious business. This is what I  had to explain to Si when he took you seriously but he stopped posting. Sound familiar? At any rate it seems like there is a lot of effort I have put in this post to understand and I have in the past. I never realized that starting a free forum to inspire others towards meditation would require so much explanation to avoid possible misunderstanding.

It is a curious thing--- the focus of this topic. Are we bounded by the stars? You and I  both were both born with difficult natal configurations involving Mercury-- the planet of communication. It is all in how people deal with the zodiacs influence.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 09, 2017 02:22 pm »

Guys, I really forgot about the original point.

Bro...Ahem, ding-dong (which I'm going hereafter to abbreviate to dd), you have a way to be too serious with things and to clash with other people who have a likewise serious way. I suggest that you relax in this forum, relaxing is what a forum should be about, beyond discussing constructively.

Of course astrology is not a physical science. If it were a science like chemistry or physics, we could make verifiable and repeatable experiments.

That means, we could take chemicals in the right doses and the right procedures and by following that we may end up with the same final compound.

Also, the goodness of a theory or a method may be measured by the correctness of the forecasts.

Is an algorithm forecasting the weather working? How good? That's immediately verifiable from the real weather.

I don't know if there have been such evaluations for astrological forecasts. Maybe the only study on such an evalutaion has been negative (no accurate forecasts as a whole).

So we should first determine the accuracy of various forecasts. Then determine the reliability of them by statistical methods, then ascertain whether the inaccuracies are due to individual lack of skills or biased method and so on.

There is no definitive verdict on that.

I agree with b...ahem, dd, that astrology is not a conventional science. It is simply a forecast method, or it maybe regarded as a niche of behavioural psycology, where individual behaviour is analyzed from a signature of alleged former lives. Such an analysis may provide help and support. And the forecasts are based upon that karmic signature and they also can be of psycological support.

I have no sufficient data to judge the goodness of forecast of astrology. On the whole, maybe it's not favourable.
Whereas determining the psycological signature is probably more accurate.
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 09, 2017 02:34 pm »

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I would suggest the countless studies in varifiable evidence of Carl Jung on astrology. With evidence pointing to more then statistical coincidence for the incidence of Sun, Moon relationships with the ascendent for marriage partners. No doubt there are others as well...These are the ones I am familiar with.

It is also important to recognize that psychology is not a science. There just is too many variables to come up with consistent results in so many areas. This does not take away from its importance in understanding human interaction and mental disorders. As a matter of fact accept for biological psychology astrology has much more consistency because it is based on geometrical patterns that coincide with some varifiable data in human relations as shown by the works of Carl Jung. This is my take on evidence. However I have been leaking evidence of my own ever since this forum was started. I do not claim anything near to infallibility. However when people do not care to investigate something and judge it with there own disbelief and prejudice there is no reason to try to convince them. They already believe they 'know'.

It is important to recognize that astrology is much more then forecasting. It is about understanding relationships, ourselves and karmic release. Most astrologers feel no need to prove their authenticity. If I did not have people recognizing it's help in their life I would discontinue it's use. As you see I have not done this. Quite frankly the business of proof is someone else's concern. Just as a musician who plays regularly may not be interested in being a musicologist.
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 10, 2017 03:49 am »

I'm pretty sure if a girl says you're astrologically incompatible that is likely to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, if nothing else. It also might suggest that she is looking for confirmations about how she already feels, i.e., that you're incompatible. That's pretty obvious, but I just thought I'd go ahead and say it.
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« Reply #23 on: Jan 10, 2017 08:13 am »

Per usual our discussions take an entertaining direction, one I'm sure would turn most away from indulging  Cheesy

Yes DD, it is quite obvious lol. An easy out for the lady making such claim! One I would gladly grant in pursuits of more fulfilling desires.  Smiley Smiley Smiley

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« Reply #24 on: Jan 10, 2017 08:24 am »

I would add that it's not impossible to exceed expectations, even when shaped by the stars.
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 11, 2017 01:57 am »

I'm pretty sure if a girl says you're astrologically incompatible that is likely to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, if nothing else. It also might suggest that she is looking for confirmations about how she already feels, i.e., that you're incompatible. That's pretty obvious, but I just thought I'd go ahead and say it.

Not necessarily because most likely she does not know enough about astrology to make such a claim. If someone is truly looking for confirmation for the way they feel they would have to do chart comparisons. There would be no other way to find out astrologically.
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« Reply #26 on: Jan 11, 2017 02:01 am »

I would add that it's not impossible to exceed expectations, even when shaped by the stars.

Contrawise it possible to limit expectations due to not knowing the shape of the 'stars'.
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« Reply #27 on: Jan 12, 2017 12:26 am »

Then we agree that a general reference of ones astrological sign is not enough to determine the full extent of a persons qualities. 
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« Reply #28 on: Jan 15, 2017 12:45 pm »

Then we agree that a general reference of ones astrological sign is not enough to determine the full extent of a persons qualities. 

Yea... It's just a jump starter for a conversation. But if somebody holds your Sun sign against you it does not help socialization skills. They may have difficult communication and value lessons this life. Which is determined by other factors in someone's astrological profile. Difficult Mercury (communication) configurations and value judgements.... 2nd and 8th houses of values.

Very generally speaking though there are Sun signs that are more compatible. For example you and I both have Cancer Suns. That gives us more emotion and sensitvity on the other hand we must be careful that we are not wet blankets and too sensitive. But we do try to understand and appreciate sensitivity to other peoples' feelings. This would be true for Cancer Suns in general but their are always exceptions shown by other factors. For instance difficult moon configurations make it harder to understand the feelings of others.
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« Reply #29 on: Jan 26, 2017 08:38 am »

I'm pretty sure if a girl says you're astrologically incompatible that is likely to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, if nothing else. It also might suggest that she is looking for confirmations about how she already feels, i.e., that you're incompatible. That's pretty obvious, but I just thought I'd go ahead and say it.

This question comes to mind: what comes first the chicken or the egg? Self fulfilling prophecy often plays out in the map of the stars and ability to effectively and positively deal with challenging people and situations also can play out in a diagram of the heavens. She will probably find confirmation if she is determined that something will not work out. On the contrary an open heart and mind also has its confirmation in physical and astrological phenomena. So you see the hand of destiny plays out it's cards either way. If we so choose we may use difficult aspects and their energy to transform our challenges into victories. But almost all people with few exceptions remain pawns to the events of the heavens hardly looking towards  the transformation of energies that have the capability and potential of manifesting in different ways because of the impetus of those intense energy interplays.
Difficult solar patterns between charts is shown by tight squares and opposition's to ones partners solar energies.
There can be mitigating features from other planetary influences which could help bring understanding to work out these forces.
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