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« on: Jan 24, 2017 03:13 am »

Trump lies on the first day of inaurgaration



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-lies-crowd-size_us_5884104ae4b0e3a735699697

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/business/media/alternative-facts-trump-brand.html?_r=0&referer=http://m.facebook.com/
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 24, 2017 04:19 am »

I can't tell if he's lying or just reading websites like infowars. Either way, it's petty stuff.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 24, 2017 05:24 am »

Steve, this is old news and it's not fake. This article was written before Spicers conference held just today and could use a follow up.

It was Friday or Saturday Spicer gave a preliminary conference to give some details before getting into anything come Monday. Earlier this morning Spicer took question after question and surprisingly only a few(i think just one actually) commented on this petty numbers game... instead reporters asked REAL questions about real issues.

The problem here was the attempt STARTED by the media to defame Trump by suggesting not many showed to his inauguration and then later arguing over the number of attendees rather then focusing on the issues Spicer reported from that very same "preliminary" conference. Like how some members of the democratic party worked to delay Pompeo- or how Trump is looking to improve relations between Canada and Mexico.

Spicers upset not only comes from this one attack but a false tweet made by a "reputable" reporter making a racially charged suggestion by saying President Trump removed the bust of Martin Luther King from his office. This was indeed fake news and even after the reporter gave a half-assed apology he then blamed the incident on someone other than himself. Even though the numbers reported may have been a little off base from the information received, admitted later by Spicer(who gave a better apology then the TIME magazine reporter) it is still believed this is one of the largest inauguration's ever witnessed. The reports don't mention the weather that day or the angry protesters who made meat shields to stop people from getting in(spreading violence and even dividing families). People that weren't there were watching world wide through other means.

Still- why focus on this GARBAGE? Who cares how many people showed up or didn't? This is the kind of crap that entices people to react in a less then humane manner. Focusing on this will plague your mind and spreading its disease is the very reason we have celebrities like Madonna saying she wishes to blow up the white house. Spicers message that day made it very clear that he, Trump and many others are tired of these petty attempts that aim to divide us. It's the media that suggest Trump is racist, homophobic and a bigot. This violence is proof that, despite not knowing Trump, people will give into the narrative the media would have you believe.

I was very pleased to witness reporters today acting maturely and questioning things that matter. I believe it's what Spicer was really asking for in the first place. He said the media will be held accountable for their actions just as it is expected he too should be held accountable for his. Trumps speech that day was one that will be remembered. Whether you liked it or not, he said it was his mission to give the government back to its people- no matter what side you stand on. Asking reporters to report fairly and responsibly is one way to get us to talk to one another.

The biggest challenge I see now is respecting your neighbors and maintaining the peace. Focusing on this junk however is becoming very sad and you may find yourself less patient or more irritable because of it. We don't have to agree on views or whether you like Trump or not but lets cut the crap and focus on real issues... In other news, "Mad dogg" Mattis oversaw 31 airstrikes made against ISIS Saturday.
Or would you like to spend your time focusing on whose crowd size is bigger? I'm directing this part not to one person but to those who are hung up over something so trivial yet this may be their tipping point to go out and commit a violent act.

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« Reply #3 on: Jan 24, 2017 05:44 am »

No wonder people think Trump is a rascist he lived through out his term by defaming one of the greatest black men of our time; Obama and he further tried to defame Lewis

'The United States’ first black president has been pilloried and savaged by bizarre claims that he is a secret Muslim, hates white people, is not eligible to be president because he was born in another country, or is going to use the Affordable Care Act to “oppress” white people.' Furthermore his supporters show the same racial slurs and 'John Birch'  type social comments about
any one who disagree with their social values. They also react angrily and violently to those who peacefully disagree.



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« Reply #4 on: Jan 24, 2017 06:06 am »

Trump isn't a racist because he supported the claim made against Obama's fake birth certificate. It was almost a 5 year affair where a forensic investigation recently confirmed the birth certificate as a FAKE. Also, Trump is not a racist to defend himself against the defamation STARTED by Lewis. According to your logic, Lewis is racist for calling Trump illegitimate.
Steve I pray for you and hope we both find some good R&R. I am going to unplug from this madness because it's getting ridiculous. Please read what DD has said... This is PETTY. And DD, it's good to see you posting again. =) Peace friends. GOD BLESS AMERICA, I AM feeling more patriotic! =)
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 24, 2017 06:19 am »

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/27/obama.birth.certificate/index.html

Trump continued to lie and defame black people as evidenced above.

'The administration had to make a special request from the state of Hawaii to get the long-form certificate released, White House legal counsel Bob Bauer said. Typically, the state only releases the shorter, computer-generated live birth certification when people request such documentation.'
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 24, 2017 06:44 am »

Steve, is this really your proof of racism Huh??

Here in that entire article posted by CNN from 2011 are the only mentions of Trump:

Pfeiffer told reporters that the birther debate has been politically damaging to the Republican Party. Regardless, the issue remains potent in GOP circles. Potential Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump recently seized on the issue, saying he had doubts about the president's background.
Following the White House's release of the long-form certificate, Trump told reporters in New Hampshire that he is "very proud" of himself for helping to bring about the release of the document.
Trump stands by "birther" claims
"I've accomplished something nobody else was able to accomplish," Trump said. "I'd want to look at (the birth certificate), but I hope it's true so that we can get on to much more important matters."
Obama "should have (released the certificate) a long, long time ago," he said.
Trump, a billionaire business tycoon and reality television star, blamed the media for repeatedly bringing up the issue. Trump, however, has frequently raised questions about Obama's birthplace during his climb in recent GOP primary polls.

I don't think you have any verifiable proof Trump is a racist and this is getting sad. Why even spend so much energy on this anymore? I just don't get it.. Campaigns have always been divisive and it's a sad affair but this doesn't make Trump racist... okay I really better go now. I can't seem to get through to you. Good night
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 24, 2017 06:59 am »

"He doesn't have a birth certificate. He may have one, but there's something on that, maybe religion, maybe it says he is a Muslim," Trump told Fox News in 2011. "I don't know. Maybe he doesn't want that."
His accusations reached such a high decibel level that in April 2011, Obama appeared in the White House briefing room to denounce Trump and release the long-form version of his birth certificate.

The threads topic is Tumps fake news Eric. Do not confuse the issue with rascism. It is clear why people think it with all his derogatory and defaming comments he has made about Obama but this issue is much worst then racism. It is using false news for defamation of character. It is very sad indeed that defamation of character in the United States is rewarded by presidency. Defamation of character is treachery. We have a treacherous president in Donald Trump.

And during a candidate forum in Iowa earlier this year, when asked about Obama's commitment to the United States, Trump replied, "I don't know if he loves America."
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The threads topic is Tumps fake news Eric... It is using false news for defamation of character... We have a treacherous president in Donald Trump.

Yes I am confused... so you post attacks on Trump at the, spiritual portal?? Aren't you doing the same thing you're against?? You know, using false news to defame a man??

The examples/claims you've shared so far are either false or of little importance. I thought I made good points against the inauguration crowd size garbage but it was only ignored. It's like you metaphorically closed your ears and went "La la la racist! La la birth certificate! Ahhh treacherous!"

Seems I can't drop it... can't sleep either... I'm just confused why I come to a meditation forum to watch you engage in the very thing you preach as treacherous action... you aren't even running for president  Cheesy Imagine if I had started threads here that constantly worked to belittle and insult Obama. I haven't done any of that thank god.

No offense Steve, just seems a little hypocritical.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 24, 2017 09:12 am »

There is one very important difference this news is real. I am talking about the reality of Trumpsters lies and defamation of character which is consistent with the the spiritualportals quest for the truth. We must separate the liars from the truth seekers. Trump is a sociopathic liar -without a doubt - and what's worst he is also a treacherous defamator of character. So Lewis is right he is not a legitimate leader of the United States. We do not need a man who has such character and he is a awful example to our nation.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 24, 2017 10:33 am »

Yes, the argument over the crowd size at the inauguration was a real argument as petty as it was. Although I argue we look at the greater picture in this "quest for truth" you instead focus on the belief Trump really is racist which is not real. Yes the claim that Obamas birth certificate was fake is real and was proven that it was fake. What's not real, or thus far lacking in sufficient evidence are your unsavory claims that Trump are all these negative things you make him to be. You may eventually find some better ammunition but at what point is justifying your bias to the man quest for spiritual truth? So far it's been name calling and poor examples. Would you like it if your forum turned into only political discussion where purpose is to make derragatory comments about politicians(including the ones you hold so dear) or would you like to discuss something of more substance- like how to work together despite opposing views? Or why do we have such ill informed protestors rioting the streets? Have you let someone of greater material status and wealth take away your inner peace? These are perhaps the type of questions to ask in this quest for "truth." So far you haven't asked questions, you've only made insults.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 24, 2017 11:24 am »

I'm going to post a comment by Steve Long, retired physicist, because it appears to be a pretty objective one. It rises some serious concerns though.

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To an objective observer, it is pretty clear that Trump is bombastically exaggerating and the media is insidiously minimizing. Trump's victory seemingly had a lot to do with a sizeable portion of the electorate simply disregarding the media's negative assertions about Trump. In all probability, that is due to long-developing disgust with the media's twisting of the news ("facts") by devious presentation techniques as a form of advocacy for political goals that have some undesirable side-effects ("unintended consequences").

The results are scary. I am not calling Trump "Hitler" or his supporters "Nazi's", but the same social forces that resulted in those things are being used as political tools in the U.S., today. The Germans clearly had some legitimate gripes about their situation following WW-I, and Hitler was able to use those, wrapped in nationalistic/racial "patriotism" to rise to power. Mussolini campaigned on “making the trains run on-time,” much like Trump’s infrastructure promises.  The parallels are too striking to be ignored.  BUT, the U.S. today is NOT Germany in the 1930s. 

There are many legitimate gripes that the Trump supporters need to have addressed.  And, there are many legitimate gripes that the Clinton supporters need to have addressed.  The tragic thing is that they could BOTH be addressed effectively, IF we could work together to do it.  But, BOTH political parties seem more interested in using these gripes to further their efforts to obtain/retain power than actually serving the citizens of all persuasions.  Their tactics of challenging the ethics of each others’ supporters are tearing the country apart.

We on this discussion group have been seeing a small piece of this negative trend in dishonest rhetoric vs objective debate for some time.  For example, it is nearly impossible to have an objective discussion on climate, because the participants get lumped into “sides” that are either “deniers” of change or “true believers” of non-validated models.  People not willingly in either camp tend to keep their heads down, because speaking up gets them “classified” and opposed on the basis of the classification, rather than evaluated on what they really know and think and are trying to say.

The only solution I can envision to this problem is for the real journalist media to stop trying to compete with “social media” for “ratings” and, instead, provide a contrast by being (becoming again) a credible purveyor of objective news and discourse.  Our Constitution gives the media special protection and status because we count on them to provide that social service.  But, at this time, they are disappointingly lacking in their fulfillment of our expectations of them.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 24, 2017 11:37 am »

What proof does anyone have that Obama's Birth certificate was fake. It was obtained by the records department in Hawaii where he was born. It was posted on the wall of the white house and is easily seen in the link I gave you.

Furthermore Trump lied about his support of the Iraq war. He initially supported it and then he said he did not.

The point is this. Trump released fake news about his inauguration.

Thanks for the input mccoy. I have read it once and must read it again.

See Obama's Birth certificate below.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/27/obama.birth.certificate/index.html

We must ask this question: why is it that Donald Trumpster demands that he sees a birth certificate yet will not show his tax records. What criminal activity does he have to hide?

Trump lied about his inauguration and calls it alternative facts.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/24/seth-meyers-tears-apart-trump-administration-s-brazen-lies.html
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 24, 2017 04:36 pm »

Trump lies continue.

But perhaps most egregious of all is the term that Trump counselor Kellyanne Conway coined on Sunday to justify her boss’ lies: “alternative facts.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/24/seth-meyers-tears-apart-trump-administration-s-brazen-lies.html
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 24, 2017 04:44 pm »

Steve, you're really starting to agitate me. I can respond in kind or I can simply leave. It's sad what you're doing though. Here is proof of Obamas fake birth certificate,

SHERIFF'S PROBE FINDS OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE 'FAKE'
Years of forensics investigation confirmed 'birther' suspicions right all along
Published: 12/15/2016 at 6:09 PM

A years-long forensics investigation into the computer image of the long-form Hawaiian birth certificate image that Barack Obama released during a White House news conference during his first term and presented to the American people as an official government document concluded it is “fake.”

Corsi said Mike Zullo, head of the Cold Case Posse, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio “have done the United States a heroic service demonstrating by forensic analysis that the long form birth certificate produced in a White House news conference on April 27, 2011, as Barack Obama’s authentic birth certificate is a forgery.”

“The nine points of forgery between the Johanna Ah’nee birth certificate and Obama’s [long-form birth certificate] prove convincingly that the Ah’nee birth certificate was the source document from which the Obama LFBC was created.”

“That President Obama’s birth certificate is fake, as proven now by a legitimate law enforcement examination raises serious questions that high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed at the highest level of government. The clear conclusion is that the Obama presidency may have been illegitimate, having violated Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. Impeachment procedures may be required, even if those procedures are conducted after Obama leaves office.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/investigators-find-source-for-obamas-online-birth-certification-image/#DmDIPk0Rl6DEx3k7.99


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