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« on: Feb 09, 2018 06:17 am »

just bits and pieces from tonights read:
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The smiling forehead is the pleasant expression; it depends solely upon man's attitude to life. Life is the same for the saint and for Satan, and if men are different it is because of their outlook on life
...as there is duality in each thing so there is duality in every action: in everything that is just something unjust is hidden, in everything that is bad something good. Then one begins to see how the world takes all men's actions: one person sees only the good, another only the bad. In Sufi terms this particular attitude is called hairat, bewilderment. And just as to the average man moving pictures, theatres, bazaars are interesting, so to the Sufi the whole of life is interesting, a constant vision of bewilderment. He cannot explain this to the world because there are no words to explain it.

Can one compare any joy to that of taking things quietly, patiently and easily? All other joys come from outward sources, but this happiness is one's own property. When a person arrives at this feeling it expresses itself not in words, but in the 'smiling forehead'.

the use of love becomes wrong when that love is constantly developing for one only and not spreading. The water of a pond may turn bad, but the water of a river remains pure because it is progressing. By sincerely loving one person therefore one rears the plant of love and makes it grow and spread. Love has done its work when man has become all love – his atmosphere, his expression, every movement he makes. And how can such a man love one and refuse another? Such a countenance, such a presence becomes a blessing.

In the East, when we speak of saints or sages, it is not because of their miracles, it is because of their presence and their countenance which radiate vibrations of love. How does this love express itself? In tolerance, in forgiveness, in respect, in overlooking the faults of others. Their sympathy covers the defects of others as if they were their own; they forget their own interest in the interest of others. They do not mind what conditions they are in; be they high or humble, their foreheads are smiling. To their eyes everyone is the expression of the Beloved, whose name they repeat. They see the divine in all forms and in all beings.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 09, 2018 08:22 pm »

This is really a good definition of love Eric. I have seen it in
saints i have met. Glad to see you are staying in the vibration of the great spirit here. U could say i do not suffer as much anymore because;

'the use of love becomes wrong when that love is constantly developing for one only and not spreading. The water of a pond may turn bad, but the water of a river remains pure because it is progressing. By sincerely loving one person therefore one rears the plant of love and makes it grow and spread. Love has done its work when man has become all love – his atmosphere, his expression, every movement he makes. And how can such a man love one and refuse another? Such a countenance, such a presence becomes a blessing.'

When love seems to be taken away it is only for a short time. We as humans get hung up on that 'short time'.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 10, 2018 11:00 am »


Eric...i wonder what you think of my assessment of the Masters' words?

When a person reads a recognizes great wisdom inherent in what is presented to him he tries to assimilate it and absorb it. What he doesn't agree with or understand he questions and makes an effort to understand or dispense with. I was reading Hazrats quote again and found myself in difference with this quote.

"as there is duality in each thing so there is duality in every action: in everything that is just something unjust is hidden, in everything that is bad something good. Then one begins to see how the world takes all men's actions: one person sees only the good, another only the bad. In Sufi terms this particular attitude is called hairat, bewilderment. And just as to the average man moving pictures, theatres, bazaars are interesting, so to the Sufi the whole of life is interesting, a constant vision of bewilderment. He cannot explain this to the world because there are no words to explain it."

I say this because i think Hazrat explains it quite well and clears up the bewilderment in his statement. Actually when we see this duality constantly in our lives we begin to accept friction and harmony, joy and sorrow, separation and coming together as all coming from the same source. We are not so bewildered but realize these incongruous elements of life are part of the big picture with all its lights and shadows.


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« Reply #3 on: Feb 10, 2018 09:13 pm »

These words live with me...like a mantra. When everyone else seems to want to rush things, its best to let things work out according to divine plan instead of our personal desires, which ultimately snag us along the way...anyway.

'Can one compare any joy to that of taking things quietly, patiently and easily? All other joys come from outward sources, but this happiness is one's own property.'
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 11, 2018 05:29 pm »

hi steve, i think you are right. i think it is also quite perplexing when you try to envision how it is all connecting. while we can at least say, yes this is of god and it is all connected, it is still bewildering to even the great mystics who too are bound by mortal shells and limited understanding. at times we get a glimpse of this and even when our faith grows we are still in awe to the grandeur that can be felt in every moment.

to your second post,
sometimes it is quite difficult to maintain a path on the straight and narrow when our work and the errands of the day can pull us away from devotion. instead whispers of comforts and other pleasantries easily replace ones thoughts as we gauge how to entertain our ego say after a hard day on the job. many times i decline to go out with coworkers after being invited- i remember also turning away a pretty woman's advances and wondering- why would i not pursue? i think my peers are beginning to see me as a stick in the mud, where my life has kind of a set pattern with fixed time to devotion and contemplation. it is quite depressing to wonder if i am missing out on essential life experience. i know i need to change my routine yet i am still battling lingering symptoms of the flu(over a months time). in the end i have tread some if not most of my life in a reckless manner and can attest that much of what we chase does not bring the steady happiness we often seek.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 30, 2019 06:10 pm »

When God's divine love rises as a wave, it washes away the sins of the whole life in a moment, for law has no power to stand before love: the stream of love sweeps it away.

...My respondent heart be still – be still and listen to the consoling voice of God.

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« Reply #6 on: Apr 10, 2021 07:17 am »

Because you forgot. BUMP.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 10, 2021 02:31 pm »

Because you forgot. BUMP.

What I have found is that some friends I’ve known have selective memory so it always interests me as a mirror to my own recollections. It also fascinates me to find that people remember events so differently and sometimes they find things and remind you about times you may have forgotten.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 07, 2022 05:41 am »

I believe I bumped the thread because we were having a pleasant conversation on the phone and you asked me to find whatever we were discussing. My saying you forgot was teasing you in a similar light hearted exchange like when we are connecting with our voices. I wanted to add more to this thread... Something very interesting.

The sun does not teach anything, but in its light we learn to know all things. The sun does not cultivate the soil nor does it sow seed, but it helps the plants to grow, to flower, and to bear fruit.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 08, 2023 11:50 pm »

I will tell you something about my own teacher. Once I met a learned man, a doctor of philosophy with a great many degrees. I spoke to him on the deeper side of life and he became so interested in me that he thought much of me. So I thought, 'If I were to tell him about my teacher, how much more interesting that would be for him. If I make such an impression upon this man, how much more my teacher will be for him, and how much will he appreciate my teacher', and I told him, 'There is a wonderful man in this city, he has no comparison in the whole world'. 'Yes?', said he, 'Are there such people? I would so much like to see him. Where does he live?' I told him, in such and such a part of the city. He said, 'I live there too. Where is his house. I know all the people there. What is his name?' So I told him, and he said, 'For twenty years I have known this man, and you are telling me about him!' I thought, 'In a hundred years you would not have been able to know him'. He was not ready to know him.

If people are not evolved enough they cannot appreciate persons, they cannot understand them, they cannot understand the greatest souls. They sit with them, they talk with them, there is a contact of the whole life, but they do not see. Another person in one moment, if he is ready to understand, makes a benefit out of it. Imagine, the learned man had known my teacher for twenty years and did not know him. I saw him once, and became his pupil forever. One might ask, 'Was this man not learned, not intellectual?' Yes, he was. Then what was lacking? He saw my teacher with his brain, I saw him with my heart. People pursue spirituality with their brain: that is where they are mistaken. Spirituality is attained through the heart.

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« Reply #10 on: Sep 05, 2023 04:56 pm »

There are a thousand excuses for unhappiness that the reasoning mind will make. But is even one of these excuses ever entirely correct? Do you think that if these people gained their desires they would be happy? If they possessed all, would that suffice? No, they would still find some excuse for unhappiness; all these excuses are only like covers over a man's eyes, for deep within is the yearning for the true happiness which none of these things can give. He who is really happy is happy everywhere, in a palace or in a cottage, in riches or in poverty, for he has discovered the fountain of happiness which is situated in his own heart. As long as a person has not found that fountain, nothing will give him real happiness.

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« Reply #11 on: Jan 02, 2024 10:10 pm »

Volume XIV - The Smiling Forehead

Part II - The Deeper Side of Life
Chapter XXIV
Spiritual Circulation through the Veins of the Universe

No doubt we often confuse intelligence with intellect, but intelligence is something which is to be found even in the lower creation. It can be traced in plant life and sensed even in the heart of the rock. The difference between modern psychology and ancient thought is that according to the former the intellect is a development which manifests in the life of man as mind, but that animals have no mind, that mind is a development of matter, the work of the brain. The idea of the mystics of all times, of the prophets and all meditative souls is different. They say, 'What was, is, and will be; if that is the same substance or life it is not subject to change, nor does it develop'. Yet a different grade which we are capable of grasping gives us the feeling that it is a development rising from matter. The great ones, the meditative souls who sat in the wilderness and the forests and communicated with the life around them, realized this truth, and very often they experienced a greater harmony, peace and upliftment where there was no visible life. Life is intelligence, even in the rock, and the more one communicates with life, the more one feels that even the rock is not without life, that through it pulses the blood of the universe.

...Man may be taught to do good, to learn righteousness, but this is virtue forced upon him as the result of a certain teaching. Real virtue only comes by understanding the oneness of life, binding man to friend or enemy. Jesus Christ teaches, 'Love your enemies'. While it is often difficult to love our friends, we are not able to love our enemies, unless we realize the secret of the one life behind all – in spite of the world of variety which continually creates illusion.

If by religion, philosophy, or mysticism this realization is attained, then the secret of life is touched and without any wonder-working a mighty power is gained. This lesson is easy to learn intellectually, but that is not enough. This truth can be taken – like food – in a moment, but to digest it the whole of life is not sufficient, for truth is mixed with facts, and when truth becomes a fact it has no importance. Absorbed in the world of variety we are apt to forget truth, for we are always absorbed in facts. Therefore meditative people who spend much time in meditation try to think of the oneness of being, try to meditate on the ultimate truth of being. It works like the winding of a clock: it only takes a minute to wind and all day long it goes on. So in meditation the same thought goes on, and in everything one does or says one uses this same truth.

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