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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2015 09:02 pm »

No, I guess the stories I posted don't really relate to any of us here.    I just thought they were inspiring as it's not often you hear of farmers having a change of heart towards their animals, becoming vegan and opening animal sanctuaries.   It is happening more than ever before though.     Here is a song this ex-cattle rancher's wife wrote, about the red trailer that used to take the baby calves away to slaughter.    Happily, not anymore, in this case anyway !!!

We all can decide what's right for us, with regard to diet, and out attitude to animals and their rights.    I admit my attitude is more radical than most, but the numbers of people like me are growing fast.    Smiley



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« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2015 04:37 pm »

Wow Leila

I have this protein shake lately its by made by a odwalla. This chocolate protein shake is made with soy milk, filtered water, cane sugar.... oh there is a little milk protein concentrate... I didn't realize that but it is it's just full of   b12 - hundred eighty percent, copper 40% iron 30% b6 hundred eighty percent and calcium 90%. What a drink. Just thought I'd let you know I've got all my my parsley snd herb plants growing in the truck I'm driving... plus all my sprouts. They get shuffled around because they don't look too good after that. It takes some adapting!
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« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2015 09:48 pm »


That sounds great, Steve !  I'm amazed that you can grow herbs, etc. in the truck.   You're very inventive !!!   

I've been experimenting with a lot of different ways to make protein smoothies.    Lately I've been blending up nuts and seeds, like walnuts, pumpkin and sunflower seeds, til they're just a powder, then adding leafy greens, and then lots of berries …..  blueberries, etc., and bananas.    That way you get protein and lots of antioxidants at the same time.    There's no end to the fun you can have with a good blender !   LOL. 
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« Reply #48 on: Aug 08, 2016 10:33 pm »

An interesting blog by Denise Minger on the data used by Campbell in his china study to criticize dairy products. It turns out that the data prove nothing, being based on two provinces made up of heavy dairy products consumers. Also, the correlation numbers appear to prove nothing. Campbell observed that rats fed on casein were unhealthy. That proves little as well.

https://rawfoodsos.com/2010/06/20/a-closer-look-at-the-china-study-dairy-and-disease/
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« Reply #49 on: Aug 08, 2016 11:46 pm »

((( Laila ))))

What a wonderful source of information you provide here at the Portal.

Much Love and Respect for all that you've contributed here and I hope we hear from you again. =)

Cheers, thank you mccoy for resurrecting this thread.  Smiley
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« Reply #50 on: Aug 10, 2016 01:41 pm »

Hi daemoon, glad you are reading with interest and I too would like to meet you in person sometime.
I've recently decided to update my rusty knowledge of nutrition for practical purposes. Presently, dietary science has been revolutionized by some concepts which are pretty sensible.

There is no 'healthy diet' in absolute, although 'natural' diets are regarded as such.

'Natural' means no refined or processed foods, junk food and so on. No sweets is much better.

I concur with the accepted, sensible concept  that a vegan (or vegetarian) diet which contains a lot of commercial junk vegan food and little natural food is far worse than a diet where meat and fish are consumed in moderate amounts together with plenty vegetables and other wholesome, natural food.

The meat-eaters concur that meat should be from grass-fed animals, not the commercial stock. Although I imagine that grassfed is expensive and out of the reach of most people.

There are some interesting people out there like Dr Hyman, who coined the term peganism, that is, paleo-veganism. They eat mostly vegan but with the addiction of some animal food which is more consistent with the gatherer-omnivore nature of the apes from whom we genetically descend.

Conceptually, I do not concur that a pure paleo diet is the best for the human being, simply because the conditions during the glacial periods (paleolithic diet) should not necessarily be the ones ruling the genetics of our digestive system. Also, there are some populations which have been studied, just emerging from the paleolithic, which ate mostly plant based food (this in tropical areas).

Bottom line, everyone should understand what is an healthy diet for him/herself according to his/her subjective conditions and tolerances, which are widely variable. Possibly without cheating, LOL.
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« Reply #51 on: Aug 10, 2016 03:00 pm »

Denise Minger is a young lady who is a nutrition buff who has read and reasoned very extensively, besides being author of a book: 'Death by The food Pyramid'.

In her site there is a section on veganism. She is a former vegan turned less strict and has some sensible suggestions for those who would like to avoid the potential dangers of a vegan diet.
My opinion still is that the best vegan is a non-vegan, I apologize for that but there are too many loose ends to such a strict diet regime, the first being the necessity to fall back on supplements for most people.

https://rawfoodsos.com/for-vegans/

Even though I don’t believe strict vegan diets are optimal from a health perspective, I do think there are ways to make the best out of a meatless, eggless, and dairyless situation. I’d like to offer some of those ideas on this page so that anybody personally committed to veganism can maximize their chance of staying healthy, and hopefully avoid the most common pitfalls us annoying ex-vegans blather on about. (Please note that this isn’t an endorsement for current omnivores to convert to veganism, and there’s no guarantee you’ll truly thrive even if you follow all the suggestions below—but I do think these guidelines will give vegans the best chance possible for warding off health problems.)

In no particular order of importance, here’s a summary of the list, followed by a more detailed version of each point:

Eat real food—no fake meats, processed soy products, vegan junk food, etc.
Avoid high omega-6 vegetable oils and take a vegan DHA supplement.
Supplement with vitamin K2.
Supplement with a vegan form of vitamin D3.
Enhance your beta carotene absorption and conversion.
Properly prepare any grains, legumes, or nuts you eat.
Maximize iron absorption using vitamin-C-rich foods.
Keep your thyroid in good shape.
Take vitamin B12.
Try going gluten-free.
Eat some fermented foods.
Supplement with taurine.
Consider adding oysters or other non-sentient bivalves to your diet.

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« Reply #52 on: Aug 10, 2016 07:11 pm »

hi mccoy,

i'm not sure if i've said it here already but my sister shared something with me that rings true and that's that it's all one big health journey
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« Reply #53 on: Apr 28, 2018 09:29 am »

really happy to bump this thread and come back to interesting reads.
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