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« Reply #15 on: Dec 25, 2009 12:35 am »

Thanks Mulaian

i find no differences here as yet that vary with transits in a western sense right down to the houses and the planets. Even if i did it would be interesting to get a different perspective. Maybe in your hope to go slow and be harmoniuos you have literally taken something out of my appraoch to transits. i do think it is wonderful when two souls can work on an intellectual or artistic project if only for developing friendship. Hope you stay in there and keep up the contact. One can never know where these things will lead. Many blessing to you....

P.S. i wonder about your rising sign, Sun sign and planets in your houses. i realize vedic astrology usually takes us back about 22 degrees. For simplicity could you tell me your tropical ascendent sign and degree? It is hard to imagine myself as a triple Gemini instead of triple Cancer. Though i am not heavily into sign analysis. The Planets angles to each other seem to be the same in both Vedic and Western appraoch. It works like mathmatics and cannot fail. Unless of course you bring the blessings of a guru into the picture. His guidance and grace are supereior to any predicative science. Although most of the time he/she seems to fit into the laws of God's creation. However miracle abound. Perhaps that is the works of a planet like Neptune. Neptune has been shuffling back and forth over the Dragons head in my chart so perhaps that is why i have seen more of those miracles of late...



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« Reply #16 on: Dec 25, 2009 01:16 am »

my role has been to translate what i learn into language that people can understand .most of my understanding of astrology was learned through17 years of tropical western astrology serving a spiritual community cycling around and practising and learning.  i have deliberately left out specific details to give you an overview.it is no surpise that there are similarities as it is describing the same thing.it is when you start to add the influence of the ancient lunar zodiac called the lunar mansions in western terminology that a whole new layer emerges.these"mansions"represent 27 constellations each with its own planetery ruler and ruling star.i have much to learn yet about this more ancient lunar system.they are the root of the predictive system of dhasas or planetary periods.you are nearing the end of a 20 year venus dhasa your venus is your soul indicator and ascendant ruler so it has been a very powerfull spiritual period  for you for learning knowledge and meditation and enlightenment.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 29, 2009 11:43 am »

you are nearing the end of a 20 year venus dhasa your venus is your soul indicator and ascendant ruler so it has been a very powerfull spiritual period  for you for learning knowledge and meditation and enlightenment.


i have question for you. If Venus is my ruler then Taurus would be my ascendent. Right? If this is the case why is i that i notice things happening when 5 degrees of Gemini (Rising tropical degree) is activated?

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« Reply #18 on: Dec 29, 2009 12:07 pm »

because that corresponds to the same point in the sky as vedic 11 degree taurus .labelling that point in the sky differently does not change the transit effect to that portion of the heavens.it is still alligned with the star prima hyadum in the constellation of taurus and quite close to aldeberan the eye of the bull in taurus.so when you were born prima hyadum was rising and aldeberan was about to rise aspects to this point would effect you personally .regardless of the labelling.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 29, 2009 04:43 pm »

because that corresponds to the same point in the sky as vedic 11 degree taurus .labelling that point in the sky differently does not change the transit effect to that portion of the heavens.it is still alligned with the star prima hyadum in the constellation of taurus and quite close to aldeberan the eye of the bull in taurus.so when you were born prima hyadum was rising and aldeberan was about to rise aspects to this point would effect you personally .regardless of the labelling.

Mulaian Thanks but i am not following this. i would apprecaite elaboration. The Vedic and tropical approach are 22 degress off which is a different point in the sky and the rulership of Gemini and Taurus are two separate planets. There are many wonderful similarities. But there are also very interesting differences. It would be fascinating to bridge the differences or at least understand these incongruities. Thanks for the interaction....

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« Reply #20 on: Dec 29, 2009 05:06 pm »

it is the same point in the sky that was rising at the time of your birth but the indian system would label it taurus as the star constellation of taurus was rising at the time . western astrology would label that same point in the sky gemini as the western zodiac is not based on the ancient zodiac of stars as everyone believes.its starting point 0 degree aries is fixed by the position of the sun at spring equinox .nowadays at this date the sun is alligned with pisceswhich is why this is called the age of pisces.using this  zodiac you are of course called gemini rising in western astrology.i try to avoid this discussion as it confuses a lot of people but it seems to be your interest.
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 29, 2009 05:22 pm »

it is the same point in the sky that was rising at the time of your birth but the indian system would label it taurus as the star constellation of taurus was rising at the time . western astrology would label that same point in the sky gemini as the western zodiac is not based on the ancient zodiac of stars as everyone believes.its starting point 0 degree aries is fixed by the position of the sun at spring equinox .nowadays at this date the sun is alligned with pisceswhich is why this is called the age of pisces.using this  zodiac you are of course called gemini rising in western astrology. i try to avoid this discussion as it confuses a lot of people but it seems to be your interest.

If the indian system would label it Taurus there is definately a difference of rulerships. Venus rules Taurus and Mercury rules Gemini. Let us fisrt address this difference. Then we can address the procession of the equinoxes. My goal is to clear up the confusion and have understanding. i do think it is possible and would be a noble ambition. Since we are talking about a spiritual science here we should not ignore the facts or skirt them.

Secondly the first point of Aries in Spring has definately changed. Anyone practicing either method knows this. This accounts for the procession of the equinoxes which is part of both the western and eastern approaches. The first point of spring is now some where in Pisces. Yet in the tropical appraoch we say that the Sun has its place in Aries as designated by the time of year but not it's true placement in the sky. i do not know any astrologers of the western approach who believe that they can account for the procession of the equinoxes with the true placement of the Sun and our solar system. This would be tantamount to saying the Sun circles the earth. Observation has clearly showed us that the placement of the Sun is not at the first point of Aries in the Spring . What we can say though is that the Sun crosses the equater at the spring equinox. This is designated as the first point of Aries by the tropical approach which is part of the old school. Yet we also know that the Suns'  postion in the sky relative to the stars puts it not in Aries but in Pisces. The Suns' position relative to the earth puts it in Aries because of factors which as yet is beyond the scope of this most fascinting subject.

In the spirit of true science we seek the truth where there is confusion. Let us do this together. Then we can understand God's wonderful plan for us. There is a way. It just takes the spiirit of inquiry and an undaunted desire to cast aside superstition and find understanding. Though i truly believe that just becuase there are seeming contradictions in the tropical approach does not make it unfeasable. There are contradictions in human nature and in science today. We are beginning to understand that there can be two explanations of the same phenomena. This does not take away from the validity of what we observe. Only that the intellect and science can not put all our explanations in neat little categories with black and white explanations.

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« Reply #22 on: Dec 29, 2009 05:30 pm »

yes the vedic system would have venus and moon as rulers of your ascendant  western would be mercury
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 29, 2009 06:36 pm »

because that corresponds to the same point in the sky as vedic 11 degree taurus .labelling that point in the sky differently does not change the transit effect to that portion of the heavens.

Eleven degrees Taurus and five degrees od Gemini are the same place in the sky? Then the Suns position would be the same whether in Cancer (Tropical approach) or in Gemini (Vedic appraoch) But the Suns position is different with regards to the backdrop of the stars. So the transit effect would be at a different time. Likewise if i look in an ephemeris when planets go over 5 degress of Gemini this is clearly a different time then when they go over 11 degress Taurus. The ascendent would be effected at different times by looking when it was crossing 5 dgress of Gemini and 11 degress of Taurus. Do you read a different transit book? All transit books that i have seen are the same. 'That position of the heavens' that is the same for both systems (With different names) would have to have two separate transit books to account for the procession of the equinoxes. So what you are saying is that 11 degress of Taurus is the same as 5 degress of Gemini? Right? Yes i agree but the names given to those positions definately conote different meanings. How do we account for these different meanings? Also how do we make allowances for the differences we see in the ephemeris to be able to see the palnets at the same time in the same zodiacal sign position. We obviously would have to do some mathmatics or have two separate books.

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« Reply #24 on: Dec 29, 2009 07:00 pm »

yes vedic transits would be in vedic zodiac 2 different ephemeris .before ephemeris you would have looked at the sky and would see the transits of the planets( or wandering stars as they were called)against the background of the star zodiac.without pollution and electric lighting the stars would be  much more visible to all.2000years ago the sun was at the beginning of aries at the spring equinox aligning the two zodiacs.the precession of the equinoxes in relation to the stars has slowly moved the two systems out of alignment by 24 degree since that time in another 400 years they will be 30 degrees out of alignment.

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« Reply #25 on: Dec 29, 2009 07:23 pm »

yes vedic transits would be in vedic zodiac 2 different ephemeris .before ephemeris you would have looked at the sky and would see the transits of the planets( or wandering stars as they were called)against the background of the star zodiac.without pollution and electric lighting the stars would be  much more visible to all.2000years ago the sun was at the beginning of aries at the spring equinox aligning the two zodiacs.the precession of the equinoxes in relation to the stars has slowly moved the two systems out of alignment by 24 degree since that time in another 400 years they will be 30 degrees out of alignment.



Yes i understand this and have understood it. But you did not answer my questions in the last post:
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« Reply #26 on: Dec 29, 2009 07:25 pm »

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« Reply #27 on: Dec 29, 2009 07:30 pm »

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All the questions are being reposted. They have question marks after them like they did before.

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The ascendent would be effected at different times by looking when it was crossing 5 degress of Gemini and 11 degress of Taurus. Do you read a different transit book? All transit books that i have seen are the same. 'That position of the heavens' that is the same for both systems (With different names) would have to have two separate transit books to account for the procession of the equinoxes. So what you are saying is that 11 degress of Taurus is the same as 5 degress of Gemini? Right? Yes i agree but the names given to those positions definately conote different meanings. How do we account for these different meanings? Also how do we make allowances for the differences we see in the ephemeris to be able to see the planets at the same time in the same zodiacal sign position? We obviously would have to do some mathmatics or have two separate books.

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« Reply #28 on: Dec 29, 2009 07:50 pm »

i can only answer how i deal with this i am good at mental arithmetic and can make all the adjustments in my head.yes there are two different ephemeris .and two different interpretations of a chart in fact i believe a different interpretation from each astrologer.how we can reconcile two different systems with two different interpretations most people dont .a simple thanks but no thanks is the usual response.some will be curious but not many as its a lot of work.
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 29, 2009 08:25 pm »

i can only answer how i deal with this i am good at mental arithmetic and can make all the adjustments in my head.yes there are two different ephemeris .and two different interpretations of a chart in fact i believe a different interpretation from each astrologer.how we can reconcile two different systems with two different interpretations most people dont .a simple thanks but no thanks is the usual response.some will be curious but not many as its a lot of work.

Tell me Mulaian what inventions that were done were not a lot of work? How many times did Edison try to make a light work before it did? Literally hundreds. Perhaps thousands of times. You may have noticed that i have not said you are wrong in the eastern outlook nor have i said i am right in the western approach. Merely that there are differences and similarities. My goal is to find a feasible link that ties these two forms together. Perhaps it will be work for our predecessors but we can lay the foundation of that quest.

We can start out with the premise that Sri Yukteswar had. That is the procession of the equinoxes which he called the Yugas that affect mankind in general. There is further study of this phenomena in The book the Initiation by Elizabeth Haich. However without reading a lot we can use the knowledge we have of the two systems to compare notes.

First of all any emphemeris that i know of shows not the eastern appraoch but rather the western approach. Do you know of a ephemeris that shows the postion of the stars in there correct position taking into acoount the procession of the equinoxes? Or all ephemeris books showing  the postion of the signs in a totally Sun centered astrology? If you know a book that tells me the postion of the planets according to the position of the planets today, that takes into account the procession of the equinoxes, please tell me. i think that it would be harder to have such a book since the position of the planets with regards to the signs are changing over time in more than one way. You say in your post that there are "two different ephemeris" Do you mean in your head, because you do the calculations, or do you mean there literally are two different books?

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