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« Reply #15 on: Dec 03, 2009 03:51 pm »

Thanks Nomaste and Lady Urania

i can imagine and see you take a break in the moment of free choice Namaste2All. It is an inspiration to me. i think that the the Buddhists have quite a contribution to this whole thing with their emphasis on awareness in all life situations. i have noticed another thing though. It is one thing to be aware and something else to do something about that awareness. i mean there are a lot of intelligent people out there that are in the same rut they have been in for years. The same grooves are being played out despite the awareness. It seems to me that meditation is the best way to start moving out of those old patterns since our consciousness starts changing and then our patterns of behavior more naturally take new paths. It also helps to have the encouragement of a Master to provide life learning inspiration.

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« Reply #16 on: Dec 03, 2009 07:00 pm »

i think that the the Buddhists have quite a contribution to this whole thing with their emphasis on awareness in all life situations. i have noticed another thing though. It is one thing to be aware and totally another to do something about that awareness. i mean there are a lot of intelligent people out there that are in the same rut they have been in for years. The same grooves are being played out despite the awareness. It seems to me that meditation is the best way to start moving out of those old patterns since our consciousness starts changing and then our patterns of behavior more naturally take new paths. It also helps to have the encouragement of a Master to provide life learning inspiration.
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Steve, I think your observations( I underlined parts of your post) are so true. It is the same with other things, (not just awareness) one thing to have knowledge of something and better yet if one puts this knowledge to use. Great connection using meditation as a way to do this changing of patterns and expanding the consciousness. And of course, things are becoming so much clearer now that I am starting to read Master's lessons. Thank you for your encouragement in that direction.

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« Reply #17 on: Dec 14, 2009 07:44 am »

Thank you Steve for the Mindfulness Meditation. It sounds so easy to do, but it is those thoughts that seem to carry me away. I will practice this and focus on the breathing.

Do you think it would be helpful to add a mantra, like God Christ Guru or something, to help focus on the present/ presence or should I just try focusing on the breathing first ?

I remember something from a Buddhist meditation, talking about the thoughts. It was suggested as the thoughts come to mind, you could walk them ( the thoughts ) to the door and leave them outside the room. I thought this was an interesting suggestion, however, it seemed like I spent most of the meditation, walking my thoughts to the door, lol !  Grin

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I can tell you of an even easier presence meditation then the one that steve mentioned. I hope he doesn't mind. That would be paying attention to the moment you are in, and what you are doing now. Take for instance you walk down the street, and are singing do a diddy diddy dum diddy do. Pay attention to everything. Be in that moment. Notice your foot. Notice when you pick it up. Do you put it down ball first, or toes first. Notice the contact you make on the ground. Notice your hands. Do you move them? Do they go up and down? Do they stay perpendicular to your body? Notice the way your clothing moves with you. Does it affix itself to your body, does it sway in the breeze?

The more you focus on, and concentrate on what you are doing, all the way down to the finest detail the more you will notice you have no choice but to be in this moment. You will notice while you are focused on every second of now you will notice that your thoughts are not there, and you have become submerged in this moment that you don't have time for any other moment.

You can also do this while meditating. Paying attention to every part of your body, and limbs, and any sensations that may come up.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 14, 2009 05:39 pm »


The more you focus on, and concentrate on what you are doing, all the way down to the finest detail the more you will notice you have no choice but to be in this moment. You will notice while you are focused on every second of now you will notice that your thoughts are not there, and you have become submerged in this moment that you don't have time for any other moment.

You can also do this while meditating. Paying attention to every part of your body, and limbs, and any sensations that may come up.

Thank you Amor for your presence meditation idea. We are happy to have you share your mediation and your thoughts with us ! I can see how this would certainly call upon one to be in " the now ".

Ok, my next question here is and forgive me anyone if you have already answered this here or elsewhere ( please guide me to your answer )
What is the purpose of being in the now, in this moment ? So many people talk about this, I was just wondering. Is it just to be ' aware ' of all that is ?

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« Reply #19 on: Dec 14, 2009 11:35 pm »

I'm sure there are many many different answers to this. Some will say it's presence, some will say it's awareness. I will sum it up even easier, and I'm sure that others will say I'm wrong. I'm ok with that.


Now is all there is.. Everything else is an illusion. There is no tomorrow, there is no yesterday. Just this moment that you are at at this time of reading this post.
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 16, 2009 02:40 am »

thanks Amor, not sure why, but this now moment takes a bit of getting used to. hmm, everything else is illusion ? so when you are not here, chatting in the moment with me, you are an illusion too ?  Grin no wonder it is difficult to still the thoughts in the mind if I am conversing in the past with illusions I once knew , wow ! Now there is a thought to ponder on.
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 16, 2009 03:37 am »

thanks Amor, not sure why, but this now moment takes a bit of getting used to. hmm, everything else is illusion ? so when you are not here, chatting in the moment with me, you are an illusion too ?  Grin no wonder it is difficult to still the thoughts in the mind if I am conversing in the past with illusions I once knew , wow ! Now there is a thought to ponder on.

Well that would give oneself a nice headache. It's an illusion that I am not in the now no matter where I am, or doing what I am doing. I am never in the future, or in the past. I am and always will be now.

What is it that you feel you are having a problem understanding, or getting?
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 16, 2009 07:29 am »

thanks Amor, not sure why, but this now moment takes a bit of getting used to. hmm, everything else is illusion ? so when you are not here, chatting in the moment with me, you are an illusion too ?  Grin no wonder it is difficult to still the thoughts in the mind if I am conversing in the past with illusions I once knew , wow ! Now there is a thought to ponder on.

Well that would give oneself a nice headache. It's an illusion that I am not in the now no matter where I am, or doing what I am doing. I am never in the future, or in the past. I am and always will be now.

What is it that you feel you are having a problem understanding, or getting?


I am totally in the now when I watch Vertigo, Psycho or any of my other thrillers. You should try it for your own practice. You might be clenching your seat chairs abit. But at least you'll know you are in the now! You may think there is no future for you and you definatley won't be thinking of your past. I may even horrify  Shocked you. But the point is that you are in the now. Without a doubt.  Tongue

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« Reply #23 on: Dec 16, 2009 05:53 pm »

whooooo are you talking about ?  you say Alfred has a good point, but you are quoting Amor

i think Alfred has a good point here. He may not even have known that he made it. That is: i don't think i would want to be totally in the now if i was in a horrible accident or had a painful tooth. When you think in terms of absolutes there are times that you can corner yourself by your own thought process.

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I am totally in the now when I watch Vertigo, Psycho or any of my other thrillers. You should try it for your own practice. You might be clenching your seat chairs abit. But at least you'll know you are in the now! You may think there is no future for you and you definatley won't be thinking of your past. I may even horrify  Shocked you. But the point is that you are in the now. Without a doubt.  Tongue

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It's an illusion that I am not in the now no matter where I am, or doing what I am doing. I am never in the future, or in the past. I am and always will be now.

What is it that you feel you are having a problem understanding, or getting?


Does this help Into Blue? i put in bold the point i already made... JaiGuru
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« Reply #24 on: Dec 16, 2009 06:08 pm »

whooooo are you talking about ?  you say Alfred has a good point, but you are quoting Amor
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I am totally in the now when I watch Vertigo, Psycho or any of my other thrillers. You should try it for your own practice. You might be clenching your seat chairs abit. But at least you'll know you are in the now! You may think there is no future for you and you definatley won't be thinking of your past. I may even horrify  Shocked you. But the point is that you are in the now. Without a doubt.  Tongue

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Quite the suggestion Alfred, without a doubt if I were watching one of your thrillers, I would for sure be on the edge of my chair !  Shocked and if I fell off that chair in all the suspense and terror, I would without a doubt be on the floor, in the NOW ! No questions about it !!

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It's an illusion that I am not in the now no matter where I am, or doing what I am doing. I am never in the future, or in the past. I am and always will be now.

What is it that you feel you are having a problem understanding, or getting?


hi Amor, I don't think I am having a problem understanding " the now ", that seems quite clear. The confusion, I think is in the illusion idea, just not quite grasping that. The past and the future cannot be illusion, what happened happened, granted it has now become a memory, but fact is ... once upon a time it WAS the now. Same with the future, it WILL BE, eventually the now, we just don't know it at this moment in time, and when it does come, it will be the now.

If I recall, Yogananda also speaks of this life as being just a dream, kind of a similar concept to the illusion idea, as it is not real - we just think it is.

Ok, so if I am understanding the basic concept of the now, WHY is it so important to be in the now ?

other than to be aware of what is going on at that moment in time, and to appreciate all that there is

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« Reply #27 on: Dec 16, 2009 08:29 pm »

i think Alfred has a good point here. He may not even have known that he made it. That is: i don't think i would want to be totally in the now if i was in a horrible accident or had a painful tooth. When you think in terms of absolutes there are times that you can corner yourself by your own thought process.

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I am totally in the now when I watch Vertigo, Psycho or any of my other thrillers. You should try it for your own practice. You might be clenching your seat chairs abit. But at least you'll know you are in the now! You may think there is no future for you and you definatley won't be thinking of your past. I may even horrify   you. But the point is that you are in the now. Without a doubt. 

Your friiend Alfred



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It's an illusion that I am not in the now no matter where I am, or doing what I am doing. I am never in the future, or in the past. I am and always will be now.

What is it that you feel you are having a problem understanding, or getting?



Does this help Into Blue? As you can see i recopied my post and put my point in Bold and also qouted Alfred since it seemed to be needed for you.  Jai Guru
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« Reply #28 on: Dec 16, 2009 08:47 pm »

Thank you Steve, for ALL you do - I do understand it now.

And I also thank you Amor.

No more questions  Smiley

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« Reply #29 on: Dec 17, 2009 12:50 am »

hi Amor, I don't think I am having a problem understanding " the now ", that seems quite clear. The confusion, I think is in the illusion idea, just not quite grasping that. The past and the future cannot be illusion, what happened happened, granted it has now become a memory, but fact is ... once upon a time it WAS the now. Same with the future, it WILL BE, eventually the now, we just don't know it at this moment in time, and when it does come, it will be the now.

If I recall, Yogananda also speaks of this life as being just a dream, kind of a similar concept to the illusion idea, as it is not real - we just think it is.

Ok, so if I am understanding the basic concept of the now, WHY is it so important to be in the now ?

other than to be aware of what is going on at that moment in time, and to appreciate all that there is

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Let's see if I can help you understand this "now" business. For starts how can the future not be an illusion. Well it hasn't really happened so there is no future. Nor do we know how that will pain out so in thinking of the future we can create undue suffering in ourselves wondering what if's. and what could be's. What happened yesterday only happened in the now, for you were in the now when it happened. It can, and only will happen in the now. No matter how much you think that it's already happened. It only happened now.


As to your question of why should we be focused on the now. For starters focusing on the future, and yesterday creates anxiety, fear, panic, turmoil, and a whole lot of other emotions that you feel are a result of what happened in the "past" and what could happen in the "future." When you are focused on those time periods you are not concentrating on the most important time, now, and you can end up missing out on things because you are afraid of past failures, or what may happen.

Another very crucial part of the now is if you know of the power of affirmation, and manifestation. Those tools we are capable of only happen in the now. You can't create something to happen yesterday, or something that happens tomorrow. You can only create it now.
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