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« on: Mar 17, 2010 10:29 pm »

Paramahansa Yogananda states that ' the pupose of the Hong-Sau technique is to increase naturally the intervals when the breath does not flow. There is that pause that can occur before breathing out. There is also that interval of time when we may not have to immedaitely breath in again. He speaks of waiting and enjoying the breathlessness; SRF Lesson 23

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« Reply #1 on: Apr 07, 2010 12:22 pm »

Particularly enjoy, during the intervals between each in-flow of breath, the peace of breathlessness. Never force it or attempt to extend it by an exertion of will.~ Paramahansa Yogananda
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 27, 2011 07:37 am »

'Concentrate on the intervals when the breath does not flow. Remember that the purpose of this exercise is to lengthen naturally the intervals when the breath does not flow.' PY
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 18, 2011 04:04 am »

Lesson Summaries 26/4 SRF Lesson;has such perfect description and explanation of simple mantras and how to practice them. i read it over and over.

'By keeping his attention riveted on one thing at a time---the breath---the yogi is able to separate himself from the breath;then he realizes he is neither the body or the breath, but the consciousness and intelligence in the body. He beholds himself as a soul.'

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« Reply #5 on: Aug 12, 2014 12:06 am »

Paramahansa Yogananda states that ' the pupose of the Hong-Sau technique is to increase naturally the intervals when the breath does not flow. There is that pause that can occur before breathing out. There is also that interval of time when we may not have to immedaitely breath in again. He speaks of waiting and enjoying the breathlessness; SRF Lesson 23

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Steve, sad fact is that techniques do not work as they have been reported to work. More precisely, Yogananda and SRF make it sound simple, whereas I've spent hours meditating and trying to still the breath with Hong Sau to no avail. Sure that's my fault, but if after 35 years of practice there is such a lack of achievements, I wonder. Everyone would wonder, although the flaw is sure in myself. But I've really been working hard sometimes, with huge willpower.

mccoy i find it fascinating that you have some of the same thoughts i have had during the years. You have made several interesting points in the last post. I want to first respond to the first one. I moved this post to the thread 'hong sau" because the first part of your post describes that practice. I reread the beginning of this thread and the purpose of hong sau because here we see that Paramahansa Yogananda does not specifically say that we are trying to stop the breath but rather increase the length and space between breaths.

Like yourself i have been practicing this technique many years and can not say i have had incredible sucess. IF-and this is the big if-we are speaking of stopping breath. That is no breath. However if we are taking Yogananda literally here he is not saying no-breath but rather increasing the length of intervals between breaths and enjoying those breathless periods. i just think that many times we expect too much to soon. That has been my personal observation in my own practice. In other words by now I should be able to enter the breathless state at will.

Perhaps though you may have noticed that at times there are pauses between breaths with various lengths of time. I was at a SRF convocation in the early 70 ' s and went into the meditation room. No doubt I was blessed by being in the presence of other meditators and all the monks and nuns because that day I had an unusual experience with  the hong sau technique. One that I had never had. I remember Paramahansa Yogananda making the comment that if you could stop the thoughts for several seconds- i think it was  6 seconds-you would automatically be in a state of bliss.

In the above qoute Paramahansa Yogananda describes these intervals between breaths as breathless states. When i was at the convocation that day I experienced this state of bliss that the Master describes. Something quite disturbing happened to me after what seemed like a long period of bliss and breathlessness. There was this thought that entered my mind. It was this: What am 'I' experiencing? 'I' am in bliss and 'I' am not breathing.

No doubt you can predict what happened next. Yes 'I' started breathing and yes the state of bliss started evaporating quickly.
So i would propose this to you as well as myself: We are still dealing with a massive ego. Even if we have such experiences the ego wants to own them it says 'I' am experiencing such things it gets excited and poof the state we were in is gone. At this point I am back at the practice. Baby steps... just to see the breath slow down... just to see the spaces between breaths lengthen... just to enter a little calmness...just to be more in the now.... just to take this state of awareness into my life.

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« Reply #6 on: Oct 16, 2014 01:22 am »

This 'breath-thing' is an interesting phenomena to me. For instance: There are times when you are focused or absorbed that you just seem to notice the breath naturally. It is almost like 'a calling' to practice a mantra.

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« Reply #7 on: Oct 19, 2014 08:26 am »

"However there are four related forces which must be harmonized before you can harmonize your breathing rhythm that coincides with the main obstruction in your life. In the practice of concentration the relation between the following four related forces must be known, life force, breath, vital fluids or sexual energy and mind. A control and balance between these four bodily forces will bring fast results without any down-fall. Students who meditate regularly without striving to calm the restless breath or control the life force or vital essence often find insurmountable difficulties on the spiritual path.

It's like a chain reaction if one life force is restless he is nervous and keeps his body in constant motion, if his mind is restless than vitality or sexual energy is restless than breath is restless but if one controls life force with the practice of calmness at all levels his mind and vital power are in his control. To sum up if breath is made calm and rhythmic by the practice of Hong-Sau the life-force, mind and sexual instinct will gradually come under control. Calmness is a positive state of mental expansion and that leads to intuition when guided by meditation. This is the quality you want to attain from expansion. The more you meditate in a calm state the more intuition you will have....."

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« Reply #8 on: Oct 19, 2014 06:05 pm »

Very interesting expansion of Yogananda's words by Bro. turyianananda
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 21, 2014 02:40 am »

Very interesting expansion of Yogananda's words by Bro. turyianananda

Nomaste mccoy. Sometimes I just like to lie down and relax. It is a good time to practice hong-sau. I wonder if you would share some of your experiences and/or insights with hong-sau?
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 22, 2014 12:56 am »

I've not many glamorous experiences or insights I'm afraid, just sometimes low breathing counts and lost in a realm where heartbeat is the only moving thing. Then I try, unsuccessfully, to stop that movement as well.

Once a colleauge on oil rigs asked if I wanted to go out eating. I answered no, I must try and stop the heart. He went, "The other guy is trying hard to make it tick". He referred to a texan guy working with us in the same rig who had a heart attack and just recovered.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 22, 2014 01:34 pm »

mccoy I know that sensation of hearing the heart. It sometimes becomes audible especially when wearing ear plugs. i get a little squeamish at the sound of my heart beat  Cry  You don't feel that way?

Your story reminds me of some people I have met and spent time with. They may be impotent and can't believe I would actually be making an effort to practice celibacy. Or they just can't quite get their head around the idea of sitting for long periods meditating. To them you are "doing nothing". Or they may say that they 'don't have to set so long' to practice meditation. Or that they meditate when they are fishing. I just think to myself: That satanic force sure has a lot of ways of discouraging us.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 22, 2014 04:24 pm »

Steve, but some of those answers are funny, like the one where they say they meditate while fishing. Maybe visualizing a fat catch.

My father used to tell me that meditation developed in India because over there they are starving, so they need to spend as less calories as possible. That also cracked me up.

Some people are encouraged rather than discouraged by denial, so the skepticism of other people motivates rather than discourages. Maybe we are like this, in many aspects I am.

I had some funny discussions with people and meditation, like, Always on oil rigs, a colleauge of mine told me he too would have been able to meditate for long periods, sitting there and thinking about pu$$y. He told it in a funny way so it made me laugh. Then I proceeded to explain to him that such an endeavour could not be defined meditation, rather concentration on a particularly materialistic issue. He did not retort then.

When on offshore rigs there were not many places to meditate and sometimes I just sat where I found a quieter corner. Some workers would see me but, since back then I was pretty fit and muscular, they thought it was all part of fitness training and respected that.

A training mate in the gym used to sit and meditate in a corner. They didn't bother him but once they tested him. 'Hey, man, your fiancee wants to see you in the front office', told him while he was meditating. He should have ignored them instead he stood up and failed the test.

There are more funny or interesting episodes about meditation, right now I'm missing them because I just meditate in seclusion.

Your story, Steve, about meditating in the bush and the policemen is a good one, maybe not to you, lol
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 28, 2014 05:23 am »

What interferes with concentration?

 

Life energy

Breathing

Heart

Sex energy

Mind

Bhaktananda adds one more than Brother Turiyananda. Turiyananda leaves out the heart beat when explaining harmonizing the breath (see above post reply#7).
Bhaktananda said that all these can be put under control by practicing hong-sau.
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 16, 2014 04:25 am »

Hold one thought until you reach superconsciousness.

 What is concentration? Master: “freeing the mind from all distractions” and “reducing the activities of the mind to one thought” or “keeping the mind one pointed”.

 What interferes with concentration?

 

Life energy

Breathing

Heart

Sex energy

Mind

 

It takes determination, you have to work at it. You can’t be wishy washy about things.
All five of these are controlled by Hong Sau.

 Use a woolen blanket under your chair or silk, or both. Sit with feet flat, good posture, eyes turned up. Practice the 20/20/20 breathing and the tensing and relaxing.

 Superconsciousness  takes over the body, like in hibernation. Do 20 minutes Hong Sau in the morning and 20 in the evening as a start. In the superconsciousness you are always aware of something – a heightened awareness, or else you are asleep.

 Then sit a long time in the stillness. Do not think. Gently close the eyes and say into the spiritual eye: “God, God, God”. For a time it helps.

 When we learn to meditate we don’t have to come back to this earth plane.

 
For insomnia – do Hong Sau
For any trouble – do Hong Sau

 
Leonardo Da Vinci saw visions and wrote them down by concentrating on hot coals for one and one half hours. So he saw future inventions.

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