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« Reply #45 on: Apr 20, 2014 05:45 am »

just as a diamond has many facets,
so there are many true paths...
each equally capable to create a lovely show of light...

each of us may determine what facet works for us...
just because one facet appears less vivid to one, does not mean it is not the most vivid for others...



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« Reply #46 on: Apr 20, 2014 03:59 pm »

So was this link (which I've read a few times before)

http://www.sanskritclassics.com/index.htm


For what it's worth... I'm jotting some notes related to the above webpage...

Starting off, it is clear that the author / publisher of the web page is of a branch of the 'Bengali' lineages...

the page immediately brings as a main purpose to communicate their message...
there is an (Original Bengali Lineage of Kriya)...
and other lineages are not of this lineage.

As one continues through the page, it begins to be challenging as it reads less as making a distinction of what the lineage represents, but more as a vehicle of separation, and antagonizing other lineages...


The author claims 'Original Kirya Masters' are 99.9% Bengali -- well, I'm not sure what "original" means, it's a rather generic term...
very similar to how food marketers of processed foods and goods, list "All Natural Ingredients" -- there is no definition of what Natural means by the FDA or any labeling law, and in reality, even a man-made chemical can be marketed as 'natural'...   so the use of "original" seems just to be a marketing decision by the author...

The page should add a citation on the statement that it was an American Artist that drew Yogananda's sketch of how Babaji manifested -- (it is my understanding, which also needs a citation, that it was not an American but a Bengali, Yogananda's brother, Sananda Lal Ghosh, who drew the image to help others understand the form that Babaji used in appearing to Yogananda.)   It may be noted that Bengali's that were with Sri Yukteswar state that the form Sri Yukteswar saw varied in form from what Yogananda experienced. (see a biography at http://www.yoganiketan.net/ )   This is not troubling to me, as Babaji's physical body cell's are at-will created and dissolved and seems likely he may take all guises and forms...    I do not see the sketch as a body builder, but rather of a yogi in a youthful state... the body is actually rather thin, but with proper yogic asana shoulders are held broad, etc.   

As for the only photo, there is a photo or photo painting of Lahiri as a young man that can be found -- so neither this source nor Yogananda are clear (except in AOY, Yogananda states soemthing like, "or at least none other that this author has seen").   

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As for the rest, it continues to put forth an argument (valid or not is not of concern),
that not only is there an "Original Kriya" that may be gained only thru the vechicle of their authorship, etc.
but also begin to emphasize statements that cause worry and concern over the concept that Yogananda's dispensation of Kriya does not include Khechari, and further begin to build supporting arguement that Yogananda Kriya is not sufficient, and may sacrifice self-realization in this lifetime.   

To my reading, this is an interesting 'scare tactic' -- their final argument.   Then they move on...

To me, let's remember, a Being actual need not have any form of Kriya, and yet establish in Self-Realization ?
it is a way to quicken evolution,
but there are many forms akin Kriya that are divinely shown quietly to Beings...

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The best way to understand this page and organization may be to consider them as ORTHODOX FUNDAMENTALISTS --
many may (or not) find enlightenment following this path...
it is interesting that the message specifically attacks the concept that there is any other divine vehicle of value ( Yogananda and other lineages...)
but in general it seems to be very crouched in very rigid arguements, which include not just statements to be true to the practice as given by the Guru, but rather to cause confusion in the hearts of seekers and aspiring yogis... 

we should not judge the intent of the organization or authors... 
we may use our discrimination to determine if that path works for us (or not)... whether it resonates.

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Via Yoga Niketan, "Yogananda as I saw him"...
we hear of how Yogananda initiated in India (in 1935).
the Bengali chela's of Sri Yukteswar reported to Yukteswarji,
and he said something like,
"I like this idea of outter circle and inner circle,... 
let Yogananda initiate in his way, you initiate in your way."

We must consider that Sri Yukteswarji was in some Bengali circles of his day and later,
considered unorthodox in some of his ways,... he was a bridge between the Ages / Yugas in many ways...

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Additionally, we might (or dismiss) a consideration...
look at the Yuga / Ages -- including the transitionary timelines of the Ages,
against the birth and lifetime of the Gurus...
it is suggested in some circles that the Kriya form required in darkest age must be more exacting to overcome that ages vibration...
and that as the ages progress the Kriya cycles become more and more 'naturally apparent and flowing'...

it may be further considered that Kechari is a physical bridge (that is beneficial),
and many of the Bengali lineages still emphasize...

yet is this the only mechanism for that bridge ?
yet is this the only mechanism for the nectar ?
yet do we assume that at times even Yogananda's (SRF or other), or other Kriya lineages without formal teaching or stressing Kechari, do not reach Kechari in some elevated states ?  (but they remain quiet of this fact)...   ?
yet do we assume that the divine may not initiate yogis directly via inner circle vision or ways ?

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Mostly, it seems we should use our individual divine discrimination to find our true path...
the path that resonates...
and then give it a solid try, before jumping to another...

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« Reply #48 on: Apr 21, 2014 04:53 am »




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« Reply #49 on: Jul 06, 2014 03:36 pm »

After all these years i still find kriya yoga the most effective meditation tool. Although i must admit i have not given the iam technique practice enough time to evaluate. I  still find iam very good also. Haven't been exposed to any other powerful tools like these. I often find states of silent bliss between breaths in kriya. However long years of practice have certainly contributed. It is such a helpful tool in quieting the minds incessant activity. Kriya gives the mind something to do and then in the process it helps silence the mind so spiritual experience can manifest.
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« Reply #50 on: Jul 07, 2014 03:57 am »

Hello Scott. I especially liked this entry and the part: "here is something to consider.".... to avoid 'whirl-pooling, knotting, polarizing, hypnotizing' etc. getting back to the flow..... Always practicing; the divine science and when the energies withdraw back into the spine the body is not felt. It fades away from our consciousness and spirit is able to manifest!

There is a concept we tread upon (all of us)...

it is that we are one and in unity with God already,
so all this stuff is just not to worry about, or strive,
(why fuss to do the yoga, etc.)

Here is something we might consider...

As long as we are a beamlet wave particle of divine light manifest in the creation,
we shall experience and to some degree (even for liberated beings incarnate)
bound by the laws of creation...

"Reality is only an illusion, albeit a persistent one." -- Albert Einstein

The true beauty of the yoga,
is it provides a divine science,
to avoid polarizing, or knoting, or whirl-pooling, or hypnotizing...
upon a little nook or crany of the flow of this thing called 'life'...
rather,
it provides a gift that permits us to de-magnetize, de-hypnotize enough to keep a clear nucleus -- that being the doorway of sorts to expand the creation constructs enough in all directions, to permit a Poise or Equillibrium to be maintained...

"Prince of Peace,
Sitting on Throne of Poise,
Directing Kingdom of Activity."

So yes, we are all liberated in a true ultimate sense,
(as reality is an illusion),
yet we needn't just submit to the oscillations and pendulum swings,
and we needn't become some robot or extremist...

there is a middle path...
but the great ones all seem to have done something that the masses have not often availed...
they like great athletes, keep in shape, to remain in that Poise and Equilibrium...

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just considering...
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« Reply #51 on: Aug 08, 2014 10:39 pm »

Mccoy...Just wonder how far you went with the SRF techniques and if you started out with some other spiritual tradition. Also if you exclusively use Yogananda's routines?
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« Reply #52 on: Aug 08, 2014 11:31 pm »

Mccoy...Just wonder how far you went with the SRF techniques and if you started out with some other spiritual tradition. Also if you exclusively use Yogananda's routines?

Steve, I use exclusively Yogananda's routines, I stopped at the 1st Kriya, since I see no point in taking further kriyas when I'm not even able to do properly the 1st one.

I practice hong so and kriya mainly, the AUM technque I'm not very keen on, the energization exercises I was a fan of, but after a gym injury they tend to give me pains, although lately maybe something changed in the setup of the damaged muscular tissues so I may start again with them.
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« Reply #53 on: Aug 08, 2014 11:43 pm »

Mccoy...Just wonder how far you went with the SRF techniques and if you started out with some other spiritual tradition. Also if you exclusively use Yogananda's routines?

Steve, I use exclusively Yogananda's routines, I stopped at the 1st Kriya, since I see no point in taking further kriyas when I'm not even able to do properly the 1st one.

I practice hong so and kriya mainly, the AUM technque I'm not very keen on, the energization exercises I was a fan of, but after a gym injury they tend to give me pains, although lately maybe something changed in the setup of the damaged muscular tissues so I may start again with them.

If you ever get a to see Amma her iam technique has some exercises that are much more easier than the energization exercises. I still practice Kriya daily. Nomaste2all (see posts above) comes here from time to time he is also a kriyaban and I believe 'prabhatsina' is also. Thought you may be interested. Not sure about the spiritual routines of other members... although I would be interested.
Everyone appears to have spiritual interests.
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« Reply #54 on: Aug 11, 2014 08:40 pm »

Mccoy...Just wonder how far you went with the SRF techniques and if you started out with some other spiritual tradition. Also if you exclusively use Yogananda's routines?

Steve, I use exclusively Yogananda's routines, I stopped at the 1st Kriya, since I see no point in taking further kriyas when I'm not even able to do properly the 1st one.

I practice hong so and kriya mainly, the AUM technque I'm not very keen on, the energization exercises I was a fan of, but after a gym injury they tend to give me pains, although lately maybe something changed in the setup of the damaged muscular tissues so I may start again with them.

yes... it is not such an easy tthing - controlling the mind- i believe most of us are always working on doing kriya properly.  Every one  has their preferences. The Om technique is more absorbing to me because Hong Sau  requires one to constantly think of the words. When the breath is more noticeable it seems the practice is easier but when the breath slows it often seems difficult to maintain awareness. Most people I have met consider the 2,3 and 4th kriyas for a higher age but I try them if I have some time from my work schedule... not regularly though.
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« Reply #55 on: Aug 11, 2014 08:53 pm »

Steve, sad fact is that techniques do not work as they have been reported to work. More precisely, Yogananda and SRF make it sound simple, whereas I've spent hours meditating and trying to still the breath with Hong Sau to no avail. Sure that's my fault, but if after 35 years of practice there is such a lack of achievements, I wonder. Everyone would wonder, although the flaw is sure in myself. But I've really been working hard sometimes, with huge willpower.

Of course, every spiritual routine cannot but help one's mental state of health, but I would have expected that by now I would be able to still the breath if not the heart.
Kryia, ditto, you can feel the currents when you practice good, but higher states of consciousness???T hey seem to be more a random occurrance than a consequence of techniques. And I never experienced something similar to the state of samhadi described by Yogananda.
Not complaining, actually, just ruminating.
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« Reply #56 on: Aug 12, 2014 12:02 am »

Steve, sad fact is that techniques do not work as they have been reported to work. More precisely, Yogananda and SRF make it sound simple, whereas I've spent hours meditating and trying to still the breath with Hong Sau to no avail. Sure that's my fault, but if after 35 years of practice there is such a lack of achievements, I wonder. Everyone would wonder, although the flaw is sure in myself. But I've really been working hard sometimes, with huge willpower.

mccoy you have made several interesting points in the last post. I want to first respond to the first one. Please see the thread 'Hong Sau' under SRF techniques.
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« Reply #57 on: Aug 12, 2014 05:14 am »

Steve, sad fact is that techniques do not work as they have been reported to work. More precisely, Yogananda and SRF make it sound simple, whereas I've spent hours meditating and trying to still the breath with Hong Sau to no avail. Sure that's my fault, but if after 35 years of practice there is such a lack of achievements, I wonder. Everyone would wonder, although the flaw is sure in myself. But I've really been working hard sometimes, with huge willpower.

Of course, every spiritual routine cannot but help one's mental state of health, but I would have expected that by now I would be able to still the breath if not the heart.
Kryia, ditto, you can feel the currents when you practice good, but higher states of consciousness???T hey seem to be more a random occurrance than a consequence of techniques. And I never experienced something similar to the state of samhadi described by Yogananda.
Not complaining, actually, just ruminating.

i know you have heard that God is very shy. What amazes me is he/she never quite fits our description of  God. We get these ideas in our head of what our description of spirituality should resemble. Yet in the most peculiar way God does manifest in our lives. Maybe not the way we expect or desire God to manifest but nevertheless it has the imprint of his/her presence.

We think well it seems like I should be able to stop my heart from beating by now. But we may look at our lives and find that instead we had some important person enter our life that we always dreamed about or we are able to manifest a dream we have had or be in a situation where we can work on that dream. Have you ever considered how we get ourselves into all kinds of messes and in some mysterious way God was there to help us when we were in trouble....or just about the time we were going to get involved in something that was not good for us God threw a monkey wrench in our plans to save us from impending doom? i remember having problems with nodding off and sleep in meditation and sometimes i would feel a tap at my shoulder or a voice to help get back at meditation. God knows the desires of our heart and often he goes beyond our preconcieved ideas and manifests very differently than we would think. He may be working overtime just to save us from ourselves.

Yet behind our spiritual practice God is manifesting and the more spiritual practice we do the more we see tangible manifestations of God's presence in our lives. This Kriya practice and having Gurus in my life have given me tangible situations that have shown me God was manifesting in my life. Sometimes what others would term miracles. These are not 'natural' but rather supernatural events and situations. Yet sometimes just to look at the way I saw myself and the world at one time and how it appears now! There has been  a lot of mental constructs that I held as sacred cows that had to be torn a way so that a fresher view could be taken.
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« Reply #58 on: Aug 27, 2014 02:07 am »

I can relate to that, in lieu of a successful pranayama or pratayara we should be happy with the way God & Gurus took out of trouble. Definitely so.
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« Reply #59 on: May 18, 2015 03:30 pm »

Kriya is such a good technique to occupy the mind. If we are without a good technique like IAM or kriya it is easy to just daydream without ever really experiencing what meditation is about.
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